BM naruto vs itachi

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Naruto ofc. People tend to forget Itachi's stamina is very poor and if he uses Susanoo he'll die if he overuses it.
 

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perfect jin can't break Itachi's Tsukuyomi, it controls time so in reality it lasts only a moment, no time to break it.

Naruto's normal clones = taken out by Itachi's perfect kunai skills
SM Naruto vs Itachi = little chance, taijutsu won't work since Itachi has sharingan and battled RM Naruto and Killer Bee in hand to hand combat, most of his attacks won't even be able to land on Itachi based on how intelligent he is, even if it lands, Susanoo blocks everything SM Naruto has. Itachi can counter sensing easily by distract him with crow clone for opening, surrounding him with Amaterasu or using 4 Yasaka Magatama to limit his movement.
RM Naruto vs Itachi = little chance, more chakra arms and better speed, but less sensing, Itachi might need to turn on Susanoo for defense more often but at the same time more chance to hit Naruto


Then how did Bee break out of Itachi's genjutsu? Are we to assume edo tensei didn't force Itachi to use tsukuyomi? By the way, you're greatly underestamating biju mode Naruto's speed. Itachi wouldn't be able to sneak up on naruto because he would sense Itachi's intentions. Naruto wouldn't stick around to be trapped, and would also use shadow clones.
 

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Naruto has much more raw power, but Itachi has much more intelligence.

Itachi's just as likely to land Tsukuyomi or the Totsuka as Naruto is to blow him away with a chakra blast.

And the Yata Mirror should buy him a lot of time, too.
 

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Naruto has much more raw power, but Itachi has much more intelligence.

Itachi's just as likely to land Tsukuyomi or the Totsuka as Naruto is to blow him away with a chakra blast.

And the Yata Mirror should buy him a lot of time, too.

Don't count on it. Naruto now has full intel on Tsukuyomi, and his clones are a perfect counter to it.
 

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Then how did Bee break out of Itachi's genjutsu? Are we to assume edo tensei didn't force Itachi to use tsukuyomi?

Itachi's Mangekyō Sharingan wasn't active at that point. When he did activate it, Naruto screamed this:

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Don't count on it. Naruto now has full intel on Tsukuyomi, and his clones are a perfect counter to it.

That is a really good point. And moreover, Naruto also has a unique sensing ability.

Meaning the henge counter Kakashi used (and other intelligent ninja ought to use) wouldn't work.
 

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Seriously?! Fanboys are still using this!! Sasuke only talked about Itachi's ideals! Not even a word was said about Itachi's abilities or skills! Hashirama was clearly talking about better morals. Unless Hashirama's a mind reader, this argument makes no sense whatsoever.
 

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That is a really good point. And moreover, Naruto also has a unique sensing ability.

Meaning the henge counter Kakashi used (and other intelligent ninja ought to use) wouldn't work.

Yeah, and besides, Naruto's been shown to make 4 BM clones. Itachi would get whooped if all of them go at him, the real one can hang back, and keep his distance.
 

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However, the question is whether clones are tuly a counter to Tsukuyomi.

Recall that Naruto fainted when learning the Rasenshuriken because his clones' experiences were transferred to him.

If the torture in Tsukuyomi is transferred, then it could still prove highly effective.

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The reason Tsukuyomi is different from other genjutsu is duration.

Other genjutsu lasts maybe twenty seconds of torture at most.

Tsukuyomi lasts days, or as long as Itachi wants, really.
 

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How is this even a fair fight? Itachi solos



Seriously?! Fanboys are still using this!! Sasuke only talked about Itachi's ideals! Not even a word was said about Itachi's abilities or skills! Hashirama was clearly talking about better morals. Unless Hashirama's a mind reader, this argument makes no sense whatsoever.

(Sorry for double post. I made an error and didn't include the quote. I wanted to be sure that everyone knew I was responding to this guy not the thread itself.)
 

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why is this still going on? it should be obivous even without TBB itachi stands no chance against him in BM maybe SM to make it fair(i still say naruto could win since he even blitzed the 3rd raikge) Tsukuyomi is overrated and how can itachi maintain eye contact when naruto has intel on it?
 

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why is this still going on? it should be obivous even without TBB itachi stands no chance against him in BM maybe SM to make it fair(i still say naruto could win since he even blitzed the 3rd raikge) Tsukuyomi is overrated and how can itachi maintain eye contact when naruto has intel on it?

A perfect Sage blitzed the 3rd Raikage in close combat.

Itachi twice countered a perfect Sage (Kabuto) in close combat.

Itachi is a faster combatant than the 3rd Raikage in close combat.

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Sage Kabuto also has a much, much better speed feat than Sage Naruto, too.

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Sasuke's faster than v1 Raikages too though.
 

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A perfect Sage blitzed the 3rd Raikage in close combat.

Itachi twice countered a perfect Sage (Kabuto) in close combat.

Itachi is a faster combatant than the 3rd Raikage in close combat.

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Sage Kabuto also has a much, much better speed feat than Sage Naruto, too.

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Sasuke's faster than v1 Raikages too though.

that first image isnt a blitz since sm kabuto kept up with him and what speed feat are u talking about? i remember him blitzing itachi here
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Alright c,mon be real

Naruto handled 7 Tailed Beasts

Itachi has no capabiltiy of even doing that

Naruto rapes Itachi
 

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Itachi's Mangekyō Sharingan wasn't active at that point. When he did activate it, Naruto screamed this:

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While normally this argument would make sense, Naruto probably didn't know about bee's immunity. And time manipulation probably doesn't matter. The 8 tails is connected to Bee's mind. If Bee's time perception was sped up so would his. There's also reason to believe that tailed beasts can also effect time perception as well (Naruto's first conversation with Kurama while falling and conversation with other tailed beasts during the fight against Obito). Either this or there have been very long falls and passes in battle.
 

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However, the question is whether clones are tuly a counter to Tsukuyomi.

Recall that Naruto fainted when learning the Rasenshuriken because his clones' experiences were transferred to him.

If the torture in Tsukuyomi is transferred, then it could still prove highly effective.

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The reason Tsukuyomi is different from other genjutsu is duration.

Other genjutsu lasts maybe twenty seconds of torture at most.

Tsukuyomi lasts days, or as long as Itachi wants, really.



Itachi seemed sure.
 

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That wasn't a blitz though, BlackFlame.

A. That was a sneak-attack, or a victory of stealth, not speed.

B. Itachi had already sacrificed an eye and couldn't block with Susano'o at the last moment.

C. He was mid-Izanami, so it's not as if he weren't distracted anyway.
 

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Itachi seemed sure.

He said by the genjutsu, meaning that genjutsu. Not Tsukuyomi.

It's been stated (repeatedly) that the Sharingan is the sole counter to Tsukuyomi upon eye contact.
 
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