Tobirama's FTG vs. Minato's FTG

[hixa kuogame]

i agree with this but i also think its more to it

 

[AGoodBoy]

So I understand that this is a hot-topic among the base because we know so little about Tobirama's FTG...

However I want to put forth an idea that might be considered radical, even blasphemous. I think we might be able to assume that Tobirama had a superior FTG to Minato's in the sense that he DID NOT require seals to teleport to.

If we look at 624, Tobirama uses the FTG Slash.

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Obviously this is a Space-Time Ninjutsu, but also a Kenjutsu. My theory is, requiring Tobirama to "mark" the opponent like Minato would strip a Kenjutsu of it's effectiveness. This isn't a Body Flicker Technique like Sasuke used against Naruto.

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Rather this is a teleportation jutsu that utilizes speed to overcome the enemy so as to deliver a swift strike. Marking the opponent beforehand would be a waste that could otherwise be used to strike.

Now I know people may ask, "Well why was Minato the 'Yellow Flash'." My answer to that would be, his unpredictability and ability to hit *Multiple* targets in an almost instantaneous manner.

minato FTG solo'd 50 men.
Tobirama died to 20.
That should sum it up.

 

[Arugon]

minato FTG solo'd 50 men.
Tobirama died to 20.
That should sum it up.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'm totally using this argument whenever a Tobirama fanboy starts bashing Minato XD
props

 

[AGoodBoy]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
I'm totally using this argument whenever a Tobirama fanboy starts bashing Minato XD
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XD You're welcome.

 

[GucciSinclair]

Minato use FTG lvl 2 against tobi... That shows that minato is better... And not only that minato's reflexes are the best in naruto series...

Tobirama has FTG slash with is a variation of FTG just lie lvl 2. and even thou Minato has very good reflexes, he does not have the best reflexes, a few characters in Naruto has shown having better reflexes than Minato, such as A in his lvl 2, as well as elite sensors, such as Sage Mode ninjas and Muu, Tobirama is one of them.

 

[GucciSinclair]

minato FTG solo'd 50 men.
Tobirama died to 20.
That should sum it up.

well Kinkaku himself is equivalent to around 10,000 men, since it took about 2 allied shinobi force squads to take him down at full power.

 

[AGoodBoy]

well Kinkaku himself is equivalent to around 10,000 men, since it took about 2 allied shinobi force squads to take him down at full power.

I have never seen the scan stating kinkaku was part of the 20 man team. Even if he were. TObirama had hiruzen, danzou and an uchiha. He could've taken on that 20 man cell if his ftg was any good.

Tobirama has FTG slash with is a variation of FTG just lie lvl 2. and even thou Minato has very good reflexes, he does not have the best reflexes, a few characters in Naruto has shown having better reflexes than Minato, such as A in his lvl 2, as well as elite sensors, such as Sage Mode ninjas and Muu, Tobirama is one of them.

As far as you know, minato has that too. The ftg he did on obito could be that, except he used a kunai and didn't scream FTGs.
I don't know what you're talking about in your second part. Minato has already shown better reflexes than ay. Considering bee had to push ay away from getting a kunai in his back. Muu couldn't dodge a rasengan planet, and tobirama is pure speculation - there is no way you have enough information to make that analysis. Stop trying to undermine minato.

 

[GucciSinclair]

I have never seen the scan stating kinkaku was part of the 20 man team. Even if he were. TObirama had hiruzen, danzou and an uchiha. He could've taken on that 20 man cell if his ftg was any good.


As far as you know, minato has that too. The ftg he did on obito could be that, except he used a kunai and didn't scream FTGs.
I don't know what you're talking about in your second part. Minato has already shown better reflexes than ay. Considering bee had to push ay away from getting a kunai in his back. Muu couldn't dodge a rasengan planet, and tobirama is pure speculation - there is no way you have enough information to make that analysis. Stop trying to undermine minato.

the team was called Kinkaku force, Tobirama's death was related to Kinkaku and Ginkaku, it's pretty obvious that they were involved.

the move Minato used on Obito was very insignificant compare to Hiraishin slash, because 1. Izuna might not have a seal on his body, 2. after teleporting Minato only had his kunai pressed against Obito while Tobirama already slashed through, 3. Minato caused a few drop of blood while Tobirama caused fatal wound.

A has faster body reflexes than Minato, C confirmed it by saying while in his raiton armor his reflexes are comparable to Minato's, then he stated while he reaches lvl 2 it gets even faster. A has a faster body reflexes than Minato but he couldn't figure out where Minato was during their fight so he has nothing to react to. Muu actually dodged Rasengan Planet from blind spots in the middle of Jinton, he got hit afterwards for a different reason that defied physics, which put him in a situation where he didn't even consider Naruto a threat for the moment.
Im not underestimating Minato, I'm jus pointing out things from the manga, people should stop overestimating him and praise him with claims that's not true

 

[Dissonant Values]

minato FTG solo'd 50 men.
Tobirama died to 20.
That should sum it up.

No one was bashing anyone guys. I was just stating my theory as to the difference between the two FTG.

 

[AGoodBoy]

the team was called Kinkaku force, Tobirama's death was related to Kinkaku and Ginkaku, it's pretty obvious that they were involved.

the move Minato used on Obito was very insignificant compare to Hiraishin slash, because 1. Izuna might not have a seal on his body, 2. after teleporting Minato only had his kunai pressed against Obito while Tobirama already slashed through, 3. Minato caused a few drop of blood while Tobirama caused fatal wound.

A has faster body reflexes than Minato, C confirmed it by saying while in his raiton armor his reflexes are comparable to Minato's, then he stated while he reaches lvl 2 it gets even faster. A has a faster body reflexes than Minato but he couldn't figure out where Minato was during their fight so he has nothing to react to. Muu actually dodged Rasengan Planet from blind spots in the middle of Jinton, he got hit afterwards for a different reason that defied physics, which put him in a situation where he didn't even consider Naruto a threat for the moment.
Im not underestimating Minato, I'm jus pointing out things from the manga, people should stop overestimating him and praise him with claims that's not true

They said Tobirama and raikage were ambushed by kin and gin. That later incident only stated that it was the kinkaku unit. Kin and gin didn't necessarily have to be there. For instance, all the members of team 7 aren't always together on missions.

That second part is pure speculation. Firstly, We do not know if ftgs was an s/t. Secondly, we do not know if Izuna had a seal on him. Kakashi even made suggested that Tobi Rama needed seals when he was analysing obito's kamui the first time he bounced into him.
Also, Mina to had no reason to slash through obito since he wanted to contract seal and that's not that possible with a 6 inch kunai.
Lastly, izuna didn't die on the battlefield from ftgs. Madara said he died afterwards from the wound. That's most probably due to him bleeding out since they had no quality medical ninjas then. Obito had medical knowledge/zetsu/w.e he uses to heal his wounds.

Your last point isn't worth arguing because there aren't that many examples for Mina to. The mere fact that c says raikage is comparable when he goes into raiton armor and is better only in v2 means that minato's reflexes are already incredibly high. Comparable doesn't mean better, however.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

A has faster body reflexes than Minato

oh god my sides just exploded.

 

[BazzBee]

The creater obviously knows best .... U_U

 

[Midday]

The creater obviously knows best .... U_U

Orochimaru and Kabuto know far more about edo tensei than him. Did he even create FTG? I just think we only know that he can use it.

 

[Exaar]

Tobirama's so called "Slash" might not even be an S/T Jutsu.

People have speculated in great details about it being just a Kenjutsu slash combined with Body flicker that simply shares the same name with FTG, it could be where minato got the name for his S/T.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

the reason Tobirama didn't have a nickname that goes with his speed only means he was known for more than just speed,

tobriama has no nickname period. other than "nidaime hokage sama". tobirama was known for creating ET and only this

Tobirama one shotted Izuna using FTG

lol just because we saw the final blow doesnt mean there wasnt an epic battle before that

Izuna is a strong candidate for being stronger than Itachi since he was Madara's blood brother

no he isnt, izunas fodder whereas itachis very hax

he's famous for his Water release (according to ANBU member)

the anbu member did not know he was good at suiton till he proved otherwise. thats the opposite of being famous

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

well Kinkaku himself is equivalent to around 10,000 men, since it took about 2 allied shinobi force squads to take him down at full power.

kinkaku waa not there when tobirama died

the team was called Kinkaku force, Tobirama's death was related to Kinkaku and Ginkaku, it's pretty obvious that they were involved.

kinkaku and ginkaku were reviled criminals. the squad tobirama fought are loyal to kumogakure

 

[Westside]

To me seems like Tobiramas FTG is short range, but with some prep time he can increase the range.
Minato just took it another level, he easly teleported himself, nine tails and bijuu bomb.

EDIT : And maybe Tobirama can use his S/T tech just once or twice in a fight.