Kakuzu Vs. Minato

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Please read the entire thread, I have posted multiple scans with proof, you are the one creating spam for not completely reading a thread before posting. Don't try to antagonize me as a spammer.
You're currently spamming for not presenting an argument. I'm trying to debate with you but you're not presenting anything to the case.
Last time i did something like this the guy bailed XD
Would you like to debate against me?

Also if you're referring to me "bailing" in that thread. I suppose you could look at it that way. But I had to go to the gym to weight lift. Life > NB
 

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So Kakuzu's attacks are larger in radius, magnitude, and raw power when compared to a 100% Kurama TBB which Minato Teleported with little effort? Hmmm...

Okaaay, we were talking about his base speed not teleportation. I never said that Minato couldn't teleport that away, I said that he can't escape it with base speed.
 

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nope, not when he did it to dodge the wind attack.
Jumped infront lightning attack
and escaped wind+fire attack :p

Wind - We didn't exactly see how he escaped it but his clothes were ruined.
Lightning - He stopped it with two Raikiri
Wind+Fire - Naruto and Yamato stopped that.
 

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At first I was thinking that Minato would win it easy, but after thinking more about it im not sure, infact im not even sure he would win the fight, but im also not curtain that kakuzu could win it either...

first if all I would expect that Minato propertly knows nothing about Kakuzu (and if he did I don't think it would be more that what village he used to be from, and that he primarily uses Earth techiques) and I would expect Kakuzu to have more than minimum of intell on Minato (I'm sure someone have put a bounty on Minato's head, and even if no one did that, he was or would have been a very famous Ninja in his time) I just can't believe that Kakuzu would not know anything about "The Yellow Flash" (he was feared by allmost all non Leaf shinobi) most Ninja was told that if they ever saw him, they should turn around and run from any battel, no matter how close they wore of winning it.

So I see it as very unlikely that Kakuzu would not know that Minato is regarded to be the fastest or at least on the fastest shinobies in the world, though I would also say that the propability that he knows of the rasengan, is slim at best.

So this fight pretty much comes down to how fast kakuzu can release his Masks (I expect that Kakuzu would have 4 masks before he would go up against another hokage, I don't see him taking unnessesary risks) and if Kakuzu can release them while he used his "harden skin tecnique" and how fast he could get his ultimate defence up compared to the speed minato can place his kunai's on the battle field, and also if kakuzu uses the element of surprice (ambushing Minato with his masks already out) which I would say is propertly what Kakuzu would do if he got the chance to do it (again, I just don't think he would take unnessesary risks against a Hokage, or any other strong Shinobi)

We also have to take in to account the chakra cost of Minatos flying god technique, and how much chakra it costs to use the Rasengan (and if it even can penetrate Kakuzu's Jutsu, I personally don't think it can) though we also have to take in to account the location of the battel field, will Minato be forced to redirect attacks that could hurt people from the leaf, like he did with the 9 tails Tailed Beast Bomb (if Kakuzu chose to attack him in the leaf village, there is also the added risk of Minato getting back up from the Black Ops or other Jonin rank Shinobi) or if it's a place where Minato just needs to dodge the attacks, do to there being no one around to get hurt?

Also If It was Minato on the other hand that got the jump on Kakuzu I can't see how kakuzu could win the fight, there is a 50% chance that his deadly fire/wind combo would be ruined even before the fight had begun, and even if those 2 masks wore still intact it would still severily lower his chances of succes of winning. (if kakuzu stands still with his tecnique active, and the fire and wind mask have combied, then minato only needs to dodge 2 masks at the same time) Sins Kakuzu can pretty much be ignored while Minato focuses on the Masks, sure Minato can't penetrade Kakuzu's defence, but Kakuzu can't fight back either, It's also likely that Minato would try and get the masks to hit eact other or Kakuzu, and if the Lightning mask managed to hit Kakuzu the match would be over (or Kakuzu would at the very lease lose a heart)

And even if the fight drags out for long and Minato managed to take down 2 or even 3 of the masks I'm not sure if he have the stamina to take down all Kakuzu's 4 heats...

So I would expect that at some point in the fight Minato would simply chose to use the Flying God Tecnique to escape the battel do to the lack of chakra and therefor making it a draw...
 

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You're currently spamming for not presenting an argument. I'm trying to debate with you but you're not presenting anything to the case.

Would you like to debate with me.

Nah, I'm not in the mood, I'm leaving my comp in a min. +I can be easily cornered in kakuzu vs minato. Just saying earth grudge fear and i lose the debate. I can't really counter that with minato's current showing :/ I'd need to know the rest of minato's arsenal first. I only have 4-5 jutsu to work with lol.
 

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Okaaay, we were talking about his base speed not teleportation. I never said that Minato couldn't teleport that away, I said that he can't escape it with base speed.
Ok FINE...Even if he couldn't escape it without FTG, even though he can because Kakashi did, what is the big deal with him using FTG? It's not like kamui where it takes a huge amount of chakra. Minato can use it hundreds of times without tiring so I don't really see the big deal.
 

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Wind - We didn't exactly see how he escaped it but his clothes were ruined.
Lightning - He stopped it with two Raikiri
Wind+Fire - Naruto and Yamato stopped that.

Wind - true
Lightning. What i meant was, he had time to even jump infront of the attack and charge up a raikiri. To be fast enough to jump infront of it, would mean you're fast enough to jump away from it.
Wind+fire - I'm refering to the first time kakuzu used it. Not the second time when he was in grudge fear
 

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At first I was thinking that Minato would win it easy, but after thinking more about it im not sure, infact im not even sure he would win the fight, but im also not curtain that kakuzu could win it either...

first if all I would expect that Minato propertly knows nothing about Kakuzu (and if he did I don't think it would be more that what village he used to be from, and that he primarily uses Earth techiques) and I would expect Kakuzu to have more than minimum of intell on Minato (I'm sure someone have put a bounty on Minato's head, and even if no one did that, he was or would have been a very famous Ninja in his time) I just can't believe that Kakuzu would not know anything about "The Yellow Flash" (he was feared by allmost all non Leaf shinobi) most Ninja was told that if they ever saw him, they should turn around and run from any battel, no matter how close they wore of winning it.

So I see it as very unlikely that Kakuzu would not know that Minato is regarded to be the fastest or at least on the fastest shinobies in the world, though I would also say that the propability that he knows of the rasengan, is slim at best.

So this fight pretty much comes down to how fast kakuzu can release his Masks (I expect that Kakuzu would have 4 masks before he would go up against another hokage, I don't see him taking unnessesary risks) and if Kakuzu can release them while he used his "harden skin tecnique" and how fast he could get his ultimate defence up compared to the speed minato can place his kunai's on the battle field, and also if kakuzu uses the element of surprice (ambushing Minato with his masks already out) which I would say is propertly what Kakuzu would do if he got the chance to do it (again, I just don't think he would take unnessesary risks against a Hokage, or any other strong Shinobi)

We also have to take in to account the chakra cost of Minatos flying god technique, and how much chakra it costs to use the Rasengan (and if it even can penetrate Kakuzu's Jutsu, I personally don't think it can) though we also have to take in to account the location of the battel field, will Minato be forced to redirect attacks that could hurt people from the leaf, like he did with the 9 tails Tailed Beast Bomb (if Kakuzu chose to attack him in the leaf village, there is also the added risk of Minato getting back up from the Black Ops or other Jonin rank Shinobi) or if it's a place where Minato just needs to dodge the attacks, do to there being no one around to get hurt?

Also If It was Minato on the other hand that got the jump on Kakuzu I can't see how kakuzu could win the fight, there is a 50% chance that his deadly fire/wind combo would be ruined even before the fight had begun, and even if those 2 masks wore still intact it would still severily lower his chances of succes of winning. (if kakuzu stands still with his tecnique active, and the fire and wind mask have combied, then minato only needs to dodge 2 masks at the same time) Sins Kakuzu can pretty much be ignored while Minato focuses on the Masks, sure Minato can't penetrade Kakuzu's defence, but Kakuzu can't fight back either, It's also likely that Minato would try and get the masks to hit eact other or Kakuzu, and if the Lightning mask managed to hit Kakuzu the match would be over (or Kakuzu would at the very lease lose a heart)

And even if the fight drags out for long and Minato managed to take down 2 or even 3 of the masks I'm not sure if he have the stamina to take down all Kakuzu's 4 heats...

So I would expect that at some point in the fight Minato would simply chose to use the Flying God Tecnique to escape the battel do to the lack of chakra and therefor making it a draw...

Good points, but I'll add this: While Kakuzu is in his long range mode he could use his masks to shot at Minato directly so he would be distracted and then Kakuzu could bring his threads underground and try to give Minato a deadly blow.
 

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Wind - true
Lightning. What i meant was, he had time to even jump infront of the attack and charge up a raikiri. To be fast enough to jump infront of it, would mean you're fast enough to jump away from it.
Wind+fire - I'm refering to the first time kakuzu used it. Not the second time when he was in grudge fear

Lighting - true, but maybe he was already dashing towards Choji and Shikamaru before Kakuzu started the attack.
Wind+fire - Once again true, but if I remember Kakashi escaped that by pulling himself away with some kind of thread while he probably couldn't escape it if he was on the ground.

Ok FINE...Even if he couldn't escape it without FTG, even though he can because Kakashi did, what is the big deal with him using FTG? It's not like kamui where it takes a huge amount of chakra. Minato can use it hundreds of times without tiring so I don't really see the big deal.
It would still take up chakra and Kakuzu benefits from that.
 

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Good points, but I'll add this: While Kakuzu is in his long range mode he could use his masks to shot at Minato directly so he would be distracted and then Kakuzu could bring his threads underground and try to give Minato a deadly blow.
Minato can Jikūkan Kekkai Kakuzu's mask attacks back at him and FTG before Kakuzu's thread have a chance to grab Minato.
 

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Minato can Jikūkan Kekkai Kakuzu's mask attacks back at him and FTG before Kakuzu's thread have a chance to grab Minato.

Kakuzu could tank his own attack with Doton Domu and his threads are fast.
 

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like my first post said kakuzu's Earth Grundge Fear Counters Most of minatos moves
 

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Kakuzu could tank his own attack with Doton Domu and his threads are fast.
Agree with the tanking part but there is nothing in the Narutoverse faster than FTG. Also while tanking, Kakuzu would not be able to move. In this time Minato could place a FTG seal on Kakuzu's threads.
 

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Good points, but I'll add this: While Kakuzu is in his long range mode he could use his masks to shot at Minato directly so he would be distracted and then Kakuzu could bring his threads underground and try to give Minato a deadly blow.

First of all we need to know if Kakuzu can manipulate his treaths while having his "iron skin techinque" coveing his whole body, and if he is able to do that, the he could indeed do, what you just sugested, but you also have to remember that it will also be easier for Minato to dodge kakuzu's attack with FGT if they are only comming from one direction instead of them being 4 individual masks running around guns and blazing trying to get Minato in a crossfire...

Also the amount of chakra it cost kakuzu to use his "iron skin tecnique" is also a very important factor in this match... Does it only cost a low amount of chakra? or does it keep draining chakra if you keep it active over a long perioud of time? (this is crusial information we need, but don't have...)
 

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Agree with the tanking part but there is nothing in the Narutoverse faster than FTG. Also while tanking, Kakuzu would not be able to move. In this time Minato could place a FTG seal on Kakuzu's threads.

FTG 's weakness is the target must first have a seal.. And it would be hard to seal kakuzu in long range mode and kunai would never hit
 

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Kakuzu could tank his own attack with Doton Domu and his threads are fast.

that is true, but could Kakuzu's masks tank their own attack?

sure the lightning mask might be able to tank it's own attack and the fire mask and so one and so on, but could the fire mask tank the lightnings mask attack? and vice versa.
 

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FTG 's weakness is the target must first have a seal.. And it would be hard to seal kakuzu in long range mode and kunai would never hit
Kunai's do not need to hit, simply be within range of Kakuzu to be able to hit with a Rasengan as it was in the case of Obito and Raikage. Also, he said that Kakuzu's threads' were attempting to grab Minato, this provides the perfect opportunity for Minato to place seal on his threads. At this point Minato has basically won the fight and only need to wait until Kakuzu runs out of chakra to sustain his iron skin jutsu.
 

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They wouldnt even come close to range they would be shot down with this .. also kakuzu has 5 chakra networks that might take a while
he cant place a seal when his hands are tied can he?
 

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They wouldnt even come close to range they would be shot down with this .. also kakuzu has 5 chakra networks that might take a while
he cant place a seal when his hands are tied can he?
First off who are you addressing? Also shot down with what and why are Minato's hands tied up?
 
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