[VS] Hashirama vs The Akatsuki
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GucciSinclair
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how strong is C0(assuming the most destructive individual attack among Akatsuki) compare to a Kurama bijuu dama?
USSJ Future Trunks
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10k radius which towers over mountains? C0's only matched by second form juubi in power. obito can take refuge in his dimension. as long as one akatsuki escapes this alive, they win
Honestly, Shinsuusenju is still too heavy, considering Hashirama had the power to fight for a long period even after its usage. With due respect, but at least without Pain and Itachi counted, the rest of them are absolutely fodder, no one is going to survive this. At least Obito with his intangibility and Itachi by covering himself with Yata, if we take into account Black-Zetsus hype and the definition in the databook.
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We have not even seen what it can do yet have we ( missed the last couple chapters) we dont know how it attacks we just no its big honestly what stops Nagto from CT'ng it hed obv die But im still confident the akatsuki can beat Hashirama ( without the Shinsuusenju) Without pain/nagato
That thing outclasses mountains and can demolish Kyuubi while it is armored in Susanoo and spamms TBB-Shuriken, the Akatsuki can do absolutely nothing. Even if Deva is going to use Chibaku Tensei, Shinsuusenju would going to crush it in its growing phase easily, as its stadium is small enough to be destroyed with enough force. When used against the Jinchuriki and Itachi, Chibaku Tensei reached only the size of one mountain before it was crushed, though they waited longer for the attack than needed. Anyway Deva needs to be near Nagato.
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Shinsuusenju is Mokuton, did you see the C4 annihilating trees? No, only living organisms. Hashirama isn't even going to inhale it if he's sitting at the Shinsuusenjus head, it's just a distance the nano bombs are not going to reach. I also don't care about the C0, as the preparation time is a) to long and b), if I see that Shinsuusenju is still standing after taking
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. Shinsuusenju however isn't Hashiramas only power; he can cover the whole landscape with trees that use pollen putting you asleep - with the Senninmode the range will probably even higher - he further can use a bunch of Mokuton Bunshin that use the originals abilities, such as the Bringer of Darkness. Hashirama is excellent in all meanings and even if we don't take the Sagemode into account, the Mokuton grants him a load of powerful abilities and techniques. The Sagemode with Shinsuusenju on top of that guaranteed above the Akatsuki. Compared to the wooden Buddha, humans are smaller than a grain of sand, how are they going to survive the hit of its thousands of fists? They can't.
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TheSages456
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hashirama wins. he will be able to sense obitos position constantly as he is infused with his cells. hashirama was able to sense his cells in orochimaru so obito cant surprise him with any warping. shinsuusenju forces him to stay intangible for 5 minutes with shinsuusenjus valley creating attacks.
itachi cant operate on the scale of shinsuusenju. his susano gets destroyed without any effort.
hidan gets fodderized. no explanation needed
kakuzu gets fodderized.
deidaras nano bombs cant reach hashirama on shinsuusenju.
pain gets fodderized. chibaku tensei will never be able to form. shinsuusenju grabs the orb and crushes it like a grape. pain gets one-shotted.
kisame gets one-shotted by shinsuusenju.
konan gets one-shotted by shinsuusenju.
zetsu isnt a factor.
itachi cant operate on the scale of shinsuusenju. his susano gets destroyed without any effort.
hidan gets fodderized. no explanation needed
kakuzu gets fodderized.
deidaras nano bombs cant reach hashirama on shinsuusenju.
pain gets fodderized. chibaku tensei will never be able to form. shinsuusenju grabs the orb and crushes it like a grape. pain gets one-shotted.
kisame gets one-shotted by shinsuusenju.
konan gets one-shotted by shinsuusenju.
zetsu isnt a factor.
pateuvasiliu
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Obito is the only one with a decent chance of surviving Shinsuusenju. Let's -SAY- he Kamuis himself -AND- Nagato.
That means Hashirama vs Obito and Nagato.
Flower tree world kills them.
That means Hashirama vs Obito and Nagato.
Flower tree world kills them.
Perhaps Hashirama has his chances if everyone is as they were during their time in Akatsuki. However, there are still ways in which the Akatsuki can cause him problems. Just something else, intel is actually quite important in this matchup. I'll assume that Hashirama has a general idea regarding the unique abilities of each Akatsuki member. Now, Shin Sūsenju is his trump card but it can still be exploited by Kamui. Say Obito teleports Tendō, Itachi and himself to Hashirama on the statue's head. What then? Several Thousand Hands has now been rendered useless whilst Hashirama's large scale Mokuton variants, such as Jukai Kōtan, are useless on such a (relatively) small area and at such high altitudes. Is he outright beating this trio in CQC? No. Can he outnumber and deceive them with Moku Bunshin feints? Yes. Can Obito replicate Hashirama's Wood Release techniques with his Sharingan? As others have mentioned, yes he can.
I actually think Hashirama would be better off not using Shin Sūsenju. Insta-spawn a forest or two, camp and then send out waves of Moku Bunshins to do his dirty work. Any unsuspecting Akatsuki members can be picked off in the same way Tsunade was unexpectedly caught off guard by Madara's Kagerō/Mokuton combo (before she was saved by her Byakugō). Only Obito and possibly Tendō (with Shinra Tensei) are surviving such a sly tactic, but even that depends on how quickly they can react. You'd think that the Akatsuki members would benefit from having ~16 sets of eyes, but with a telepathic connection between his clones and himself, Shodai can constantly keep watch over preceedings - and he can do so without even having to reveal his true self. Only one member has a way around this and again, his name is Obito (disappearing into the ground/surroundings or his pocket dimension and reappearing allows him to maintain a sense of unpredictability).
Eventually, any member who hasn't been killed or crushed by Mokuton variants will succumb to fatigue. While Obito, Nagato and Kisame will give it a good go in the battle of attrition, none of them, in the end, will be able to outlast Hashirama - unless the latter two have Gakidō and Samehada (respectively) working overtime. I see Obito being the biggest threat if he has Nagato summon Gedō Mazō for him, but without the Bijū, Jinchūriki paths or the Kyūbi, he's going to find it difficult getting past Hashirama's doppelgangers (unless he makes some of his own, though this would just deplete his chakra further as he can't distinguish between the clones and the real Shodai. Note that the same is true for Hashirama, however). Your average Kage level shinobi is fodder at this level. If Shodai camps and makes use of guerrilla tactics instead of just going for the Jugular, he can probably win more often than not. That's not to say the Akatsuki can't win in certain circumstances. There are many combos which could prove fatal for Shodai. Banshō Ten'in + Kamui, Kamui + Shiji Hyōketsu etc...it really just depends on how the 1st Hokage plays his cards. Camping and Moku Bunshin spam is probably his best bet.
I actually think Hashirama would be better off not using Shin Sūsenju. Insta-spawn a forest or two, camp and then send out waves of Moku Bunshins to do his dirty work. Any unsuspecting Akatsuki members can be picked off in the same way Tsunade was unexpectedly caught off guard by Madara's Kagerō/Mokuton combo (before she was saved by her Byakugō). Only Obito and possibly Tendō (with Shinra Tensei) are surviving such a sly tactic, but even that depends on how quickly they can react. You'd think that the Akatsuki members would benefit from having ~16 sets of eyes, but with a telepathic connection between his clones and himself, Shodai can constantly keep watch over preceedings - and he can do so without even having to reveal his true self. Only one member has a way around this and again, his name is Obito (disappearing into the ground/surroundings or his pocket dimension and reappearing allows him to maintain a sense of unpredictability).
Eventually, any member who hasn't been killed or crushed by Mokuton variants will succumb to fatigue. While Obito, Nagato and Kisame will give it a good go in the battle of attrition, none of them, in the end, will be able to outlast Hashirama - unless the latter two have Gakidō and Samehada (respectively) working overtime. I see Obito being the biggest threat if he has Nagato summon Gedō Mazō for him, but without the Bijū, Jinchūriki paths or the Kyūbi, he's going to find it difficult getting past Hashirama's doppelgangers (unless he makes some of his own, though this would just deplete his chakra further as he can't distinguish between the clones and the real Shodai. Note that the same is true for Hashirama, however). Your average Kage level shinobi is fodder at this level. If Shodai camps and makes use of guerrilla tactics instead of just going for the Jugular, he can probably win more often than not. That's not to say the Akatsuki can't win in certain circumstances. There are many combos which could prove fatal for Shodai. Banshō Ten'in + Kamui, Kamui + Shiji Hyōketsu etc...it really just depends on how the 1st Hokage plays his cards. Camping and Moku Bunshin spam is probably his best bet.
SasoriOfTheRedSaand
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Hashirama can create diversions with his Mokuton clones when the battle gets tough. Without any EMS, the members cannot tell the real Hashirama from clones. This gives him a colossal advantage in battle.
Except for Itachi and Obito, I am not even counting the rest. The Flower world technique incapacitates all of them, as they lack Susano'o as a defense. Obito can phase through anything but against SM's 1000 hands technique, he will vault over his limit and get killed.
His Kamui is fast, but if Danzo can counter an arrow with Moktuon, just imagine how fast Hashirama's Mokuton sprouts would be. I give this to him mid difference only because of Obito, as if Nagato summons Mazo, it would take a lot from Hashirama to keep track of Obito and subdue it.
Except for Itachi and Obito, I am not even counting the rest. The Flower world technique incapacitates all of them, as they lack Susano'o as a defense. Obito can phase through anything but against SM's 1000 hands technique, he will vault over his limit and get killed.
His Kamui is fast, but if Danzo can counter an arrow with Moktuon, just imagine how fast Hashirama's Mokuton sprouts would be. I give this to him mid difference only because of Obito, as if Nagato summons Mazo, it would take a lot from Hashirama to keep track of Obito and subdue it.