[VS] (AkatsukiChurch) Why I believe Sasori > Minato

[AGoodBoy]

He can control the kunai. He didn't do it in his fight against Chiyo because he probably saw no use of it, but against Minato there will be use of that.

he can't. That's your opinion. The manga says he controls iron sand. Not iron sand + everything else with a magnetic field[actually this should be everything else with the ability to accept an induced magnetic field]. If that were the case, it wouldn't make sense saying he controls iron sand. Just say he controls metal and call him magneto.

 

[Owarij]

The fact remains. It's abc logic. Because toroi did it, doesn't mean they can. Naruto has wind nature but i don't see him using wind shuriken.
Yamato has mokuton but he doesn't use half the jutsu hashi can.
Doesn't mean because they both have jiton that they can do the same thing. It's basically just another nature type.

It's stated in the databook that any metal around the magnetic field from iron sand is hence under sasori's control.. If you want me to get the page, say so

As for the OP, made a few posts a long time ago explaining why Sasori has a major advantage over Minato... reasons being he can fight at an aerial distance, making most of Minato's attacks useless.. and he can control his kunai, forcing Minato to place seals on the floor etc.. which could then be covered with iron sand ..

Essentially, if Sasori gets the kazekage out, I fail to see how Minato wins

 

[AGoodBoy]

It's stated in the databook that any metal around the magnetic field from iron sand is hence under sasori's control.. If you want me to get the page, say so

As for the OP, made a few posts a long time ago explaining why Sasori has a major advantage over Minato... reasons being he can fight at an aerial distance, making most of Minato's attacks useless.. and he can control his kunai, forcing Minato to place seals on the floor etc.. which could then be covered with iron sand ..

Essentially, if Sasori gets the kazekage out, I fail to see how Minato wins

well played.

 

[HungryMaelstrom]

No lie... allot of you guys suck at this, All I see is Minato crushes sasori over and ****ing over again.. and restatement of shit we already know... You guys don't understand the basis of character complexity....
If wind > lightning > earth > water > fire
Is wind the best element? ...NO why? because its weak to fire

complexity: ....just because a character is in everyones alltime favorites or top ten or W/e doesn't mean he can't lose too someone who isn't...when I joined this forum I was hoping to converse with people eagar to make intellegent statements and speculations revolving around **************...However, theres sooo much misconceptions and blatant fanboyism....

....I'M not even a sasori fan.....I'm more of a minato fan, but the Matchup is not in namikazes favor at all...and people can't understand that. If FTG can be manipulated and rasengan can be blocked How will minato easily beat sasori? It would require allot of effort and planning... plus sasori has an increadible array of moves and ways to counter ALL of minatos moves... Minato isn't proven to be poison resistant...so why the **** is every one ignoring the fact that Sasori controlls 100 puppets, a 1000 weapons all equipt with poison(the deadliest of them all)....And that he's a ****ing genius...come on guys think at least a little.

 

[AGoodBoy]

No lie... allot of you guys suck at this, All I see is Minato crushes sasori over and ****ing over again.. and restatement of shit we already know... You guys don't understand the basis of character complexity....
If wind > lightning > earth > water > fire
Is wind the best element? ...NO why? because its weak to fire

complexity: ....just because a character is in everyones alltime favorites or top ten or W/e doesn't mean he can't lose too someone who isn't...when I joined this forum I was hoping to converse with people eagar to make intellegent statements and speculations revolving around **************...However, theres sooo much misconceptions and blatant fanboyism....

....I'M not even a sasori fan.....I'm more of a minato fan, but the Matchup is not in namikazes favor at all...and people can't understand that. If FTG can be manipulated and rasengan can be blocked How will minato easily beat sasori? It would require allot of effort and planning... plus sasori has an increadible array of moves and ways to counter ALL of minatos moves... Minato isn't proven to be poison resistant...so why the **** is every one ignoring the fact that Sasori controlls 100 puppets, a 1000 weapons all equipt with poison(the deadliest of them all)....And that he's a ****ing genius...come on guys think at least a little.

because you ignore the fact that we're not working with minato's full arsenal? Apparently he's got barrier jutsu, Sealing jutsu and one or two nature types. Guess what, you can't list anything under any of those categories, except for RDS and S/t barrier. Why? Because we've seen 5 moves from the guy unlike sasori who's used his entire arsenal. To say minato straight up loses because we haven't seen everything from him is a bit clouded. The fact is, he's still the fastest ninja out. That counts for dodging sasori's attacks at best :|
Now stop swearing, it doesn't bring the point across better.
Everyone know's some people can beat minato. Not the massive list that people try to make claiming they can beat him. He was called a prodigy after all and chosen over orochimaru of all people for hokage. :|

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Good points, however, there are some holes in your logic. First off, while it's true that Sasori can use iron sand to destroy the ground that has seals, the formulas don't exactly stand out. They're roughly the size of a hand span and would be next to impossible to spot (unless Sasori suddenly got an Uchiha puppet =D). It would also be hard to distinguish FTG from body flicker. So Sasori might not even know what's going on


I doubt a sand prison would be enough to stop a ransengan ( unless it's dramatically stronger than Garra's ultimate defense). Even if 1 ransengan isn't enough to destroy the sand prison, it would almost certainly damage it, and Minato could drill through it with several ransengans one after another.


As for toad summons, while it's true that Sasori could poison them, the toads are so huge that the poison couldn't possible spread through their systems before the fight had ended. After Minato destroys the Kazekage puppet, he's free to use kunai. Then Sasori's screwed.

I honestly think Minato would beat Sasori at mid-high difficulty.

 

[Penguin]

As much as I <3 Sasori, Minato is smarter. Sasori is very intellegent, but not Itachi and Minato intellegent. I see Sasori winning this fight 4/10 times. Minato is very tough, and has great chakra. All 298 puppets of Sasori do not need Chakra, since they have their own, and they have their own KKG's. I would love too see all of his puppets, and see if he has an Uchiha puppet.

Sasori is #9 in my top 10 though.

 

[Shura]

It's stated in the databook that any metal around the magnetic field from iron sand is hence under sasori's control.. If you want me to get the page, say so

As for the OP, made a few posts a long time ago explaining why Sasori has a major advantage over Minato... reasons being he can fight at an aerial distance, making most of Minato's attacks useless.. and he can control his kunai, forcing Minato to place seals on the floor etc.. which could then be covered with iron sand ..

Essentially, if Sasori gets the kazekage out, I fail to see how Minato wins

Finally, someone who understands. Thanks.

Good points, however, there are some holes in your logic. First off, while it's true that Sasori can use iron sand to destroy the ground that has seals, the formulas don't exactly stand out. They're roughly the size of a hand span and would be next to impossible to spot (unless Sasori suddenly got an Uchiha puppet =D). It would also be hard to distinguish FTG from body flicker. So Sasori might not even know what's going on


I doubt a sand prison would be enough to stop a ransengan ( unless it's dramatically stronger than Garra's ultimate defense). Even if 1 ransengan isn't enough to destroy the sand prison, it would almost certainly damage it, and Minato could drill through it with several ransengans one after another.


As for toad summons, while it's true that Sasori could poison them, the toads are so huge that the poison couldn't possible spread through their systems before the fight had ended. After Minato destroys the Kazekage puppet, he's free to use kunai. Then Sasori's screwed.

I honestly think Minato would beat Sasori at mid-high difficulty.

It would be hard to destroy the Third Kazekage puppet if he uses it and his other 100 puppets at the same time.

As much as I <3 Sasori, Minato is smarter. Sasori is very intellegent, but not Itachi and Minato intellegent. I see Sasori winning this fight 4/10 times. Minato is very tough, and has great chakra. All 298 puppets of Sasori do not need Chakra, since they have their own, and they have their own KKG's. I would love too see all of his puppets, and see if he has an Uchiha puppet.

Sasori is #9 in my top 10 though.

He's ninth in you top 10 favorties or Top 10 strongest shinobi?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

It would be hard to destroy the Third Kazekage puppet if he uses it and his other 100 puppets at the same time.

True, but he can't control all 100 precisely by themselves until their numbers where reduced. Wouldn't that make it impossible for Sasori to use iron sand precisely?

Also, giant toads could back Minato up against the 100 puppets. And there's food cart destroyer as well ( I hate using an arguments that I read all the time, but they're correct). FTG with marks on the ground would also make it hard to hit Minato.

 

[Shura]

True, but he can't control all 100 precisely by themselves until their numbers where reduced. Wouldn't that make it impossible for Sasori to use iron sand precisely?

Also, giant toads could back Minato up against the 100 puppets. And there's food cart destroyer as well ( I hate using an arguments that I read all the time, but they're correct). FTG with marks on the ground would also make it hard to hit Minato.

Well, he could focus more on the 3rd Kazekage than the other puppets. Also, Iron Sand triangle's can kill Minato's frogs. Well, how will he crash Sasori if Sasori will be up in the air on one of his Iron Sand cubes?

 

[Lightning Release]

Sasori's fighting style and puppet techniques would compliment Minato's fighting style, and FTG imo.. I'm giving this to Minato.

 

[Shura]

Sasori's fighting style and puppet techniques would compliment Minato's fighting style, and FTG imo.. I'm giving this to Minato.

How if his magnetism takes Minato's kunai? That isn't exactly a compliment to his fighting style.

 

[TobisPawn]

Can you not put your username in the title of all of your threads? One faggot doing it is bad enough.

 

[Shura]

Can you not put your username in the title of all of your threads? One faggot doing it is bad enough.

I don't know what's so bad about doing that, but if it gets on your nerves ok then.

 

[TobisPawn]

I don't know what's so bad about doing that, but if it gets on your nerves ok then.

It's just useless. If a thread is good then people will post in it either way. You don't need to put your name in every thread title just to grab people's attention. Let the thread title and/or thread attract people themselves/itself.

Besides, you don't want to imitate a moron like DrProof.

 

[Shura]

It's just useless. If a thread is good then people will post in it either way. You don't need to put your name in every thread title just to grab people's attention. Let the thread title and/or thread attract people themselves/itself.

Besides, you don't want to imitate a moron like DrProof.

Ok, I wont do it in the future.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

but... dr proof seems cool.

 

[HungryMaelstrom]

because you ignore the fact that we're not working with minato's full arsenal? Apparently he's got barrier jutsu, Sealing jutsu and one or two nature types. Guess what, you can't list anything under any of those categories, except for RDS and S/t barrier. Why? Because we've seen 5 moves from the guy unlike sasori who's used his entire arsenal. To say minato straight up loses because we haven't seen everything from him is a bit clouded. The fact is, he's still the fastest ninja out. That counts for dodging sasori's attacks at best :|
Now stop swearing, it doesn't bring the point across better.
Everyone know's some people can beat minato. Not the massive list that people try to make claiming they can beat him. He was called a prodigy after all and chosen over orochimaru of all people for hokage. :|

Lets be honest... some people can beat minato? really
lemme guess....
a sharingan user?
a jinkurichi?
Rinnegan user?
So6P?

Sorry about swearing(Idk why the added stars to naruto universe although..?) but I didn't say minato flat out loses.... based on what we know I gave a simple analysis on pg 1 about how the battle would be... Often people just list Moves and jutsu and say "this beats this" ..some people say minato is smarter than sasori....that isn't proven either...Sasori might just be smarter for all we know. Actually sasori has quite allot to go from based on his actions but they go underminded...

When minato fight's from what we seen in the manga he preps his FTG by throwing kunai, -- without intel that might back fire against sasori who will pick up its viability and manipulate the kunai... if you examine Ay vs minato fight... Ay was planning on checkmating minato by blitzing the kunai he that minato was going to teleport to... Which backfired because minato tagged Bee.... And with all that going on Bee was able to anticipate minatos movements...

Now with that being said... there's obviously drawbacks in abusing FTG. Even If Minato tags the whole arena or feild... 1000 scattered senbon would be Virtually unavoidable...
^Dont get me wrong this is not proof that minato would lose to sasori... but what it does is cripples minatos basic approach.. at least the one we were Introduced too.

Minato would have to play this out very intellegently (dont forget that chakra limits are also relevant so just doing a whole bunch of moves isn't realistic guys)...

All of sasoris weapons are imbued with Poison..summoning jutsu would not be too smart... unless you like sasuke and want to kill off your animals...

All I'm saying is that all known elements of Minato's approach has a way to get countered requiring less effort from Sasori..

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Well, he could focus more on the 3rd Kazekage than the other puppets. Also, Iron Sand triangle's can kill Minato's frogs. Well, how will he crash Sasori if Sasori will be up in the air on one of his Iron Sand cubes?

I don't think the triangle is big enough to kill someone like Gamabunta ( who took a direct hit from the Shukaku's air bullet). I doubt that the toads wouldn't be able to destroy the iron cube ( there's no chart to compare the strength of the cube to the toads', so it's impossible to prove or disprove this unfortunately). However while the puppet is focused on the toads, Minato could blitz the Kazekage puppet with FTG ( I doubt Sasori could focus on attacking the toads, protecting himself, and magnetize kunai.)

 

[Shura]

I don't think the triangle is big enough to kill someone like Gamabunta ( who took a direct hit from the Shukaku's air bullet). I doubt that the toads wouldn't be able to destroy the iron cube ( there's no chart to compare the strength of the cube to the toads', so it's impossible to prove or disprove this unfortunately). However while the puppet is focused on the toads, Minato could blitz the Kazekage puppet with FTG ( I doubt Sasori could focus on attacking the toads, protecting himself, and magnetize kunai.)

It doesn't need to be big althought it is fair in size, it could pierce Gamabunta and Sasori could fly out of Gamabunta's and Minato's reach. Also, with the 3rd Kazekage's magnetism, Sasori could take away Minato's kunai and then melt them with his flame throwers.