All Hokages except Tobirama were a failure

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Tobirama was the only one who knew what he was doing, he made divisions, made village system, made people aware of the facts about Uchiha Clan and even saved Hiruzen and Danzo from dying, who later on became the ones protecting the village.


Hashirama - Failed because he didn't know he was making lots of mistakes, fell under the genjutsu of Madara, and thought he killed him, should have killed Madara right when Tobirama had told him so, eventually Itachi had to kill them all and take that burden.

Hiruzen - Did alot for the clans, and managed to protect Leaf Village from all troubles. Failed because he chose Minato as the next Hokage over Lord Orochimaru.

Minato - LOL , what a joke he was, left his two students to die(one however saved by Madara), couldn't save his wife, placed a very big burden on Naruto by sealing Kurama inside him. He was the biggest failure.
I think Lord Orochimaru and Danzo should have been next Hokage if Hiruzen wanted to retire. Not Minato.
If however he wanted to make someone Intelligent as Hokage, Shikamaru's Father would have been the best choice.


So Tobirama is the only one we can say who kept the village in peace.

Opinions?

so what was that whole ordeal with the Silver gold bro's the war he died in nameing saru hokage then the later war with his whole edo tensei oro uses it then kabuto i guess he wasnt in any way responsible for it

 

[maxwellwilson02]

Maybe.. What are you views about Shikamaru's father then? Gifted Strategist, he could have used Minato and Hiruzen in a better way to defeat Kurama instead of sacrificing Kushina

Kurama was a powerful force, they don't have the time to try and think of a plan while he goes on a killing spree. A strategy to defeat Kurama does not just pop up suddenly. Minato did what he did on a whim and a belief that his son was the child of prophecy. Was it a gamble? yes, but it worked out.

 

[elsepa]

Well yea , Tobirama was the most successful , but i guess he didnt have to deal with what the others had to.

 

[YellowFang]

Well, you can say that from a certain PoV...
He indeed took even harshest decisions without a moment of hesitation...

Whereas, all others failed to timely react to the problems caused by their own nakama(real or proclaimed)
But I'd exclude Minato, that man didn't live long and wasn't involved much in political flooding of Konoha...
He did what he could as a Hokage.... and yet at that time Hiruzen failed...

 

[Souji]

Hashirama created a system (along with Madara) that would change the shinobi world forever. How is that considered a failure?

Tobirama built up everything in Konoha to what it is today. How is that considered a failure?

Hiruzen ruled over the longest period of Peace in Konoha and mentored some of the greatest shinobi in history. How is that considered a failure?

Minato created the savior of the world through a plan he made up on the fly. How is that considered a failure?

 

[DoubleAgentItachi]

I disagree, they all protected the village in their own way and taught others the way of the ninja.

 

[kristofer 8]

I think the 3rd was a great hokage but like he said he allowed too much to go on behind his back. He force the dirty work on danzo so we can say hurizen and danzo was the 3rd. This is bad however because it leads to mistrust and confusion in the village because who do the shinobi actually follow. His action toward the uchiha wasn't smart either. He allowed the rest of the village and danzo to persecute the uchiha after the 9tails attack and if he wanted to avoid the coup detat he should have just appointed itachi as hokage. That would have pleased the uchiha and the elders because it was already stated by the 3rd that itachi had the will of an hokage.

 

[Yatori]

Tobirama solo :scorps:

 

[TheEvilOne]

Tobirama was the only one who knew what he was doing, he made divisions, made village system, made people aware of the facts about Uchiha Clan and even saved Hiruzen and Danzo from dying, who later on became the ones protecting the village.


Hashirama - Failed because he didn't know he was making lots of mistakes, fell under the genjutsu of Madara, and thought he killed him, should have killed Madara right when Tobirama had told him so, eventually Itachi had to kill them all and take that burden.

Hiruzen - Did alot for the clans, and managed to protect Leaf Village from all troubles. Failed because he chose Minato as the next Hokage over Lord Orochimaru.

Minato - LOL , what a joke he was, left his two students to die(one however saved by Madara), couldn't save his wife, placed a very big burden on Naruto by sealing Kurama inside him. He was the biggest failure.
I think Lord Orochimaru and Danzo should have been next Hokage if Hiruzen wanted to retire. Not Minato.
If however he wanted to make someone Intelligent as Hokage, Shikamaru's Father would have been the best choice.


So Tobirama is the only one we can say who kept the village in peace.

Opinions?

What about the Godaime?

 

[Nous]

Bit harsh but in someways, Tobirama was the best suited to be Hokage out of the 5 who've earned that title.

 

[Bogard]

Minato - LOL , what a joke he was, left his two students to die(one however saved by Madara), couldn't save his wife, placed a very big burden on Naruto by sealing Kurama inside him. He was the biggest failure.
I think Lord Orochimaru and Danzo should have been next Hokage if Hiruzen wanted to retire. Not Minato.
If however he wanted to make someone Intelligent as Hokage, Shikamaru's Father would have been the best choice.

So your saying it was a mistake from Minato to give him Kurama? Can you tell me why the alliance shinobi(ninja world) is still standing right now?

 

[TheEvilOne]

So your saying it was a mistake from Minato to give him Kurama? Can you tell me why the alliance shinobi(ninja world) is still standing right now?

Well we must admit: Minato, as a father, was a failure. But as a Hokage, he did the best.

 

[sulanis]

Ororchimaru was evil from the start and Hiruzen was wise to chose Minato!

Ororchimaru definitely has the power and more to be hokage, but he does not have the Will of Fire that is required to be a Hokage!

He is also way to selfish to be hokage!

Even though he is my favorite by far bad guy

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Tobirama was the only one who knew what he was doing, he made divisions, made village system, made people aware of the facts about Uchiha Clan and even saved Hiruzen and Danzo from dying, who later on became the ones protecting the village.


Hashirama - Failed because he didn't know he was making lots of mistakes, fell under the genjutsu of Madara, and thought he killed him, should have killed Madara right when Tobirama had told him so, eventually Itachi had to kill them all and take that burden.

Hiruzen - Did alot for the clans, and managed to protect Leaf Village from all troubles. Failed because he chose Minato as the next Hokage over Lord Orochimaru.

Minato - LOL , what a joke he was, left his two students to die(one however saved by Madara), couldn't save his wife, placed a very big burden on Naruto by sealing Kurama inside him. He was the biggest failure.
I think Lord Orochimaru and Danzo should have been next Hokage if Hiruzen wanted to retire. Not Minato.
If however he wanted to make someone Intelligent as Hokage, Shikamaru's Father would have been the best choice.


So Tobirama is the only one we can say who kept the village in peace.

Opinions?

My opinion, my genuine opinion, is that you are a retard.

I don't even have to explain why, but this thread, YOUR thread, reeks of idiocy and you're the reason.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Each have their own shortcomings imho

 

[Cromatic]

Most of you share the same point of view, answering seperately would be the same thing as answering in one.

Most of you agree about the part that Hashirama and Hiruzen were to blame, so lets move to Minato part.

Agreed that Minato failed as a father, but he failed also a jounin, he was the one who left Obito to die putting too much trust into Kakashi who was still just a young jounin, If you bring up the point that if it weren't for Minato who sealed Kurama into Naruto, this and that would have happened, but what if Obito was still alive, he wouldn't have met Madara and Kurama wouldn't have even entered the village.

Minato is at fault even then

 

[flints]

tobirama created the edo tensei jutsu if he hadn't madara wouldn't have been brought back to life

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

tobirama created the edo tensei jutsu if he hadn't madara wouldn't have been brought back to life

Wrong!

He would have been brought back.

 

[zesto]

i can see some flame war rising slowly

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

tobirama created edo tensei, and his reign was pretty short. every hokage contributed. and hashirama created the village making him better than tobirama ever was.

So Tobirama is the only one we can say who kept the village in peace.

he came to power, and died, in the first shinobi world war