[Discussion] about naruto's speed (MUST READ)

[Itachi Rane]

according to many people here in NB naruto is physically the fastest and even as fast as minato's FTG...well....there are a few things i've noticed. The only significant occasion where naruto really showed his speed was when he dodged raikage's fist. But does that make him faster than the raikage? Atleast how kishi showed their movements while they were advancing towards each other, i can tell that they weren't moving as fast as how we fans have thinking them to do so.....and considering how fast naruto is apparently, he should by now have easily destroyed someone as powerful as madara just by instantly appearing from behind him and blasting him before he gets any time to react. But throughout this war, naruto didn't ever show any superduperfast movement against the edo bodies, obito or madara. Whether it be anime or manga his speed seemed(to me atleast) to be way slower than say for example a bullet or lightning. naruto is fast no doubt but is he as fast as what we think him to be...like superhuman???

and about dodging raikage's blow, i would say that doesn't make him faster than the raikage. The speed only came into play when naruto was going to dodge it. And i would also say it's because of plot. Because if naruto hadn't dodge it, he would have died...so this particular instance IS NOT A TECHNICAL PROOF THAT NARUTO IS FASTER THAN THE RAIKAGE....

Lastly kishi only used this 'speed factor' when it came to dodging a critical blow...like for e.g. Raikage using his speed to dodge amaterasu(it still hit his arm) and naruto dodging raikage's lightning fist. Otherwise during movements in fight kishi never showed this so-called near instantaneous physical speed ever.

P.s. I'm not xonsidering minato's speed because it is not a physical movement. It is a jutsu.

Give me your opinions readers.....

 

[SoulKiller]

Ok your point......

 

[avenged sevenfold]

To be fair I don't think it is as easy as just appearing behind madara and blasting him away

 

[Hell Autarch]

Ok your point......

OMG you are epic.

 

[Prestonyoko]

So what are you trying to say? can you summerize it all, i hate reading a wall of text it strains my eyes

 

[Ryuujinn]

thats enough already with narutos speed he dodged raikages full speed, fact.

 

[Itachi Rane]

So what are you trying to say? can you summerize it all, i hate reading a wall of text it strains my eyes

Theories based on observation cannot always be short and snappy....i can only expect you to be patient enough to read thw whole thing...and besides if i don't give details how am i going to prove my point? But anyway, i only meant to say that naruto isn't as fast as what we think him to be...

 

[SilverDuck]

How are you going to tell us how fast we think Naruto and A were moving during that skirmish? By the way, you are incorrect. it was probably faster than we thought. Even Tsunade, a person who's lived a considerably long life, and has been in countless battles, couldn't follow them, and was absolutely awe struck. Just like everyone else who knew Minato, she almost mistook him for his father.


Physically, he is faster than his father. Not faster than his father's space-time ninjutsu, however. he cannot teleport. He certainly can't appear hundreds of miles away in the blink of an eve like his father can. In that regard, he is slower than his dad.After Minato died, everyone in the world considered Raikage the fastest shinobi alive. He took great pride in that. He simply would not have admitted to Naruto being superior in speed if it wasn't absolutely, undeniably true.

That would absolutely NOT be enough to stop Madara. Especially as a regenerating zombie. His speed alone isn't enough to get around that, Susano'o, and Madara's own impressive speed, and fighting prowess. Again, he has more battle experience than anybody else. MUCH more. The fact that you believe something as simple as a fast blow is enough to put him out shows how you much you underestimate the guy. Speed is an excellent tool to have in a fight. It can close the gap between a character of less strength, but it is NOT the definitive, must have superiority to win a fight. Experience, technique, strength, intelligence, etc. are as important as speed. Sure, Naruto is faster than Madara, but he's nowhere near as experienced, or powerful. Beating him 1 out of 5 categories is not enough to win a fight. He's inferior in every other aspect.

 

[YellowFang]

Couldn't get your point.... sorry

But
Naruto's the fastest being currently with A following closely... That's also applies for all-time with just an addition that is Minato bridging the gap between those two speedsters... obviously in base speed contest...

 

[Itachi Rane]

thats enough already with narutos speed he dodged raikages full speed, fact.

Like i said, he had to dodge it for the sake of the plot....and he basically used speed to dodge raikage's punch....it's not like he and raikage were having some sort of a race where naruto won....

 

[YellowFang]

How are you going to tell us how fast we think Naruto and A were moving during that skirmish? By the way, you are incorrect. it was probably faster than we thought. Even Tsunade, a person who's lived a considerably long life, and has been in countless battles, couldn't follow them, and was absolutely awe struck. Just like everyone else who knew Minato, she almost mistook him for his father.


Physically, he is faster than his father. Not faster than his father's space-time ninjutsu, however. he cannot teleport. He certainly can't appear hundreds of miles away in the blink of an eve like his father can. In that regard, he is slower than his dad.After Minato died, everyone in the world considered Raikage the fastest shinobi alive. He took great pride in that. He simply would not have admitted to Naruto being superior in speed if it wasn't absolutely, undeniably true.

That would absolutely NOT be enough to stop Madara. Especially as a regenerating zombie. His speed alone isn't enough to get around that, Susano'o, and Madara's own impressive speed, and fighting prowess. Again, he has more battle experience than anybody else. MUCH more. The fact that you believe something as simple as a fast blow is enough to put him out shows how you much you underestimate the guy. Speed is an excellent tool to have in a fight. It can close the gap between a character of less strength, but it is NOT the definitive, must have superiority to win a fight. Experience, technique, strength, intelligence, etc. are as important as speed. Sure, Naruto is faster than Madara, but he's nowhere near as experienced, or powerful. Beating him 1 out of 5 categories is not enough to win a fight. He's inferior in every other aspect.

If the thread is about what this guy's been talking about....

I m seconding this^^^

 

[southern sun]

manga fact rapped your opinion... and naruto beat madara alredy in 3 categoryes/5

 

[Ryuujinn]

Like i said, he had to dodge it for the sake of the plot....and he basically used speed to dodge raikage's punch....it's not like he and raikage were having some sort of a race where naruto won....

what else isnt plot mate everything runs by it naruto keep up raikage and he almost one shoted kisame with his speed even kakashi n gai admitted hes fast as minato

 

[Itachi Rane]

How are you going to tell us how fast we think Naruto and A were moving during that skirmish? By the way, you are incorrect. it was probably faster than we thought. Even Tsunade, a person who's lived a considerably long life, and has been in countless battles, couldn't follow them, and was absolutely awe struck. Just like everyone else who knew Minato, she almost mistook him for his father.


Physically, he is faster than his father. Not faster than his father's space-time ninjutsu, however. he cannot teleport. He certainly can't appear hundreds of miles away in the blink of an eve like his father can. In that regard, he is slower than his dad.After Minato died, everyone in the world considered Raikage the fastest shinobi alive. He took great pride in that. He simply would not have admitted to Naruto being superior in speed if it wasn't absolutely, undeniably true.

That would absolutely NOT be enough to stop Madara. Especially as a regenerating zombie. His speed alone isn't enough to get around that, Susano'o, and Madara's own impressive speed, and fighting prowess. Again, he has more battle experience than anybody else. MUCH more. The fact that you believe something as simple as a fast blow is enough to put him out shows how you much you underestimate the guy. Speed is an excellent tool to have in a fight. It can close the gap between a character of less strength, but it is NOT the definitive, must have superiority to win a fight. Experience, technique, strength, intelligence, etc. are as important as speed. Sure, Naruto is faster than Madara, but he's nowhere near as experienced, or powerful. Beating him 1 out of 5 categories is not enough to win a fight. He's inferior in every other aspect.

well...if that's so many naruto fans here in NB constantly keep on saying that naruto will easily beat madara with his speed alone because madara even with his sharingan won't be able to read his movements and react immediately....and whenever there is a versus thread involving naruto, many say that naruto will win because of speed......which is why i made this thread....i was confused as to how this is possible. No doubt naruto is physically very very fast.....but how much fast??? What is the extent of his speed?? lee is 5 or 6 gates is also fast? Can we say naruto is faster than lee?? and does dodging raikage's fist on one occasion prove that naruto is faster than raikage when it clearly was plot-no-jutsu???

 

[Ryuujinn]

well...if that's so many naruto fans here in NB constantly keep on saying that naruto will easily beat madara with his speed alone because madara even with his sharingan won't be able to read his movements and react immediately....and whenever there is a versus thread involving naruto, many say that naruto will win because of speed......which is why i made this thread....i was confused as to how this is possible. No doubt naruto is physically very very fast.....but how much fast??? What is the extent of his speed?? lee is 5 or 6 gates is also fast? Can we say naruto is faster than lee?? and does dodging raikage's fist on one occasion prove that naruto is faster than raikage when it clearly was plot-no-jutsu???

u like it or not he will suprass madara n hashirama and sasuke also

 

[htmwall]

there's a general misunderstanding of naruto's BM speed,his speed is like any other jinchuuriki powered with his bijuu chakra,almost the same as A's V1 speed,he only reaches the speed we saw against A when he uses the bodyflicker,which is a jutsu that cannot be used often and continuesly in battle.
also you have to take in that it was naruto's first day of using kurama's chakra in this form,and he's not quite accustomed to this speed yet.so that's why he only uses bodyflicker in critical moments only.

 

[SilverDuck]

well...if that's so many naruto fans here in NB constantly keep on saying that naruto will easily beat madara with his speed alone because madara even with his sharingan won't be able to read his movements and react immediately....and whenever there is a versus thread involving naruto, many say that naruto will win because of speed......which is why i made this thread....i was confused as to how this is possible. No doubt naruto is physically very very fast.....but how much fast??? What is the extent of his speed?? lee is 5 or 6 gates is also fast? Can we say naruto is faster than lee?? and does dodging raikage's fist on one occasion prove that naruto is faster than raikage when it clearly was plot-no-jutsu???

The fact that you immediately run to "plot no jutsu" when somebody else proves you wrong is enough to show me that you're not very bright, and continuing this discussion would be a practice in futility. You say you agree, but then tell me that I am absolutely wrong.

Naruto is faster than every character alive right now. Plain, and simple fact. He's probably slower than someone in the 8th gate, but we can't know for sure. it's never been seen. I assume he's probably as fast up to the 6th gate. That doesn't make Lee or Gai faster than him. It means they have a way of becoming faster for a very short amount of time, and with great strain to their own bodies.

How fast is he? Remember his fight with the 3rd? Before Naruto shows us, and the guy looks like a lightning bolt when he stops abruptly. He's at least that fast.

Go ahead, keep denying it. Thank God you aren't writing this series, though. Since the person who IS writing it tells me that Naruto is faster than everybody else is why I believe he's faster than everybody else. It isn't ****ing plot. Kishimoto CHOSE to write it this way. At some point, very recently, he decided that he wanted Naruto to be the fastest shinobi currently alive, and so he did it. To prove how fast he is, he wrote a scene where he dodges the previous fastest man alive, then has A admit his inferiority. Yes, that is the plot,.. It is how he intended it to be. How are you telling us that Kishimoto is wrong, and Naruto isn't faster? You're a moron, I'm through.

 

[Itachi Rane]

u like it or not he will suprass madara n hashirama and sasuke also

Of course he will....but that's not what i'm talking about....i'm talking about technical facts....if kishi wants he can make naruto stronger than the juubi and nothing can be done about it....but my point is the proper explanation. In the manga, some facts are already established, some facts are proven with proper reasoning while some facts are just plain...happening out of nowhere just because they need to happen.....the last case comes only when kishi uses his plot no jutsu....just like how he made naruto dodge the raikage's punch. I hope you're getting what i actually am trying to say....

 

[Itachi Rane]

The fact that you immediately run to "plot no jutsu" when somebody else proves you wrong is enough to show me that you're not very bright, and continuing this discussion would be a practice in futility. You say you agree, but then tell me that I am absolutely wrong.

Naruto is faster than every character alive right now. Plain, and simple fact. He's probably slower than someone in the 8th gate, but we can't know for sure. it's never been seen. I assume he's probably as fast up to the 6th gate. That doesn't make Lee or Gai faster than him. It means they have a way of becoming faster for a very short amount of time, and with great strain to their own bodies.

How fast is he? Remember his fight with the 3rd? Before Naruto shows us, and the guy looks like a lightning bolt when he stops abruptly. He's at least that fast.

Go ahead, keep denying it. Thank God you aren't writing this series, though. Since the person who IS writing it tells me that Naruto is faster than everybody else is why I believe he's faster than everybody else. It isn't ****ing plot. Kishimoto CHOSE to write it this way. At some point, very recently, he decided that he wanted Naruto to be the fastest shinobi currently alive, and so he did it. To prove how fast he is, he wrote a scene where he dodges the previous fastest man alive, then has A admit his inferiority. Yes, that is the plot,.. It is how he intended it to be. How are you telling us that Kishimoto is wrong, and Naruto isn't faster? You're a moron, I'm through.

I never said kishimoto is wrong....and how did you think kishi has decided to make naruto the fastest...did he tell you??? maybe you're the moron....i'm just pointing out what i've observed...and just because it has been mentioned in the manga doesn't mean it is ABSOLUTE FACT. many things have been mentioned in the manga like tsundade can't be beaten in a battle, or itachi is invincible etc etc but is any of that absolutely true?????? You're being an ignorant fool out here. if you're through just leave this goddamn thread and stop wasting your and my time. I had an opinion and that's what i've posted. whether you like it or not you've no right to disrespect it! got it???

 

[Mellanoma]

according to many people here in NB naruto is physically the fastest and even as fast as minato's FTG...well....there are a few things i've noticed. The only significant occasion where naruto really showed his speed was when he dodged raikage's fist. But does that make him faster than the raikage? Atleast how kishi showed their movements while they were advancing towards each other, i can tell that they weren't moving as fast as how we fans have thinking them to do so.....and considering how fast naruto is apparently, he should by now have easily destroyed someone as powerful as madara just by instantly appearing from behind him and blasting him before he gets any time to react. But throughout this war, naruto didn't ever show any superduperfast movement against the edo bodies, obito or madara. Whether it be anime or manga his speed seemed(to me atleast) to be way slower than say for example a bullet or lightning. naruto is fast no doubt but is he as fast as what we think him to be...like superhuman???

and about dodging raikage's blow, i would say that doesn't make him faster than the raikage. The speed only came into play when naruto was going to dodge it. And i would also say it's because of plot. Because if naruto hadn't dodge it, he would have died...so this particular instance IS NOT A TECHNICAL PROOF THAT NARUTO IS FASTER THAN THE RAIKAGE....

Lastly kishi only used this 'speed factor' when it came to dodging a critical blow...like for e.g. Raikage using his speed to dodge amaterasu(it still hit his arm) and naruto dodging raikage's lightning fist. Otherwise during movements in fight kishi never showed this so-called near instantaneous physical speed ever.

P.s. I'm not xonsidering minato's speed because it is not a physical movement. It is a jutsu.

Give me your opinions readers.....

Amaterasu didnt hit his arm when he dodged it. His arm got burned due to him punching an Amaterasu Wall like a Boss lol

As ive said in my post before. Naruto has Fast burst of speed but they are only temporary. Raikage however reflexes, and reaction time are just as fast as his movements