[Theory] How Izanami Work

[FearxDeath]

This is something that came to my mind and after some thought I had a little breakthrough. Like always read all of it before posting anything, this one is short.

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I was thinking about this and had a revelation of sorts. This one is pretty short and to the point with a few scans for added validity. I hope you enjoy on this twisted I discovered about Izanami.

What we know​

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Izangi (Izanami's Counterpart) is a technique that allows the user to "escape his destiny", so in a case where he would normally die he can alter those events and keep himself alive. Danzo displays this in his fight with Sasuke.

Izanami (Izangi's Counterpart) is a technique that allows the user to "seal [the enemy ninjas] destiny", so in a case where the enemy is reluctant to accepting a truth, you can trap him within the genjutsu until said truth is realized. Itachi displayed this technique in his fight with Kabuto.

Question​

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If Izanami does infact trap said ninja in the genjutsu until he comes to grips with the truth, then who in this jutsu determines the truth. In Itachi's fight with Kabuto when Izanami was used it is pretty obvious what the truth was going to be, the fact that Kabuto was running from who he really was. But if this was used on an enemy who's truth wasnt known, then what would the truth be?

Example: Let us say that Hashirama runs into Itachi and both of them have no intel on each other, If Itachi used Izanami on Hashirama what would the outcome be? Which truth would Hashirama be forced to overcome?

Answer​

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I believe that Izanami is a genjutsu cast by a ninja but CONTROLLED by the enemy ninja.

Then what would the truth be if cast on someone you have no intel on? It depends completely on the ninja, they themselves control the difficulty of leaving the genjutsu. If they have no inner conflict then the genjutsu would either have very little/vague conditions for exiting it or it would be ineffective and may or may not still take the casters sharingan.

Let me use Kabuto as an example:

Durnig his fight with Itachi Itachi says alot of things to rile Kabuto up and get him angry, he then repeatedly tells him that he needs to accept himself for who he is. But why is that? Itachi isnt the type of person to talk about nonsense like that during a battle especially against someone as strong as Kabuto. Also notice that he only starts talking about this stuff after initiating Izanami.

It is because by repeatedly telling Kabuto those things he was preparing his mind to make the condition of him leaving the genjutsu to be him accepting himself. Once he initiated Izanami he started bringing up him accepting himself, with that being on Kabuto's mind he subconsciously made that the condition for leaving Izanami upon it being activated.

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Conclusion​

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Thus Izanami is a 2 part jutsu. It not only requires the Caster to feel the same sensation twice in order to activate it but it also requires him to prep the enemy ninja to create conditions that would be favorable to the caster.

But it would be very hard to rile up someone that you have no intel on and refuses to talk not to mention that Izangi would be a better defensive jutsu while a genjutsu would be a better offensive jutsu. This jutsu is less of an offensive/defensive jutsu and more of a niche jutsu used to incapacitate an ninja ninja who is going through some inner conflicts while they come to grips with the truth.

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This Scan says even more to the intelligence of Itachi. He says it is "already prepared", even though it really is not, there is alot left to be done. But by him saying that Kabuto lowers his guard or better yet will be looking for the wrong thing, he will be thinking that Itachi is using his words to distract him while he sets up his genjutsu when in reality Itachi is using the premise of the genjutsu in order to set him up with his words.

Its like the old saying about magicians. He had the bunny sitting in the false bottom of the hat the entire time, so when he waves his wand and tells you to pay attention the magic is already done. The key is misdirection.

 

[Dissonant Values]

+ Rep for coming up with the realization, but we knew that's how it worked XD

 

[pandu]

Nice theory
+ Rep

 

[khaydz5]

This is something that came to my mind and after some thought I had a little breakthrough. Like always read all of it before posting anything, this one is short.

You must be registered for see images

I was thinking about this and had a revelation of sorts. This one is pretty short and to the point with a few scans for added validity. I hope you enjoy on this twisted I discovered about Izanami.

What we know​

Spoiler

Izangi (Izanami's Counterpart) is a technique that allows the user to "escape his destiny", so in a case where he would normally die he can alter those events and keep himself alive. Danzo displays this in his fight with Sasuke.

Izanami (Izangi's Counterpart) is a technique that allows the user to "seal [the enemy ninjas] destiny", so in a case where the enemy is reluctant to accepting a truth, you can trap him within the genjutsu until said truth is realized. Itachi displayed this technique in his fight with Kabuto.

Question​

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If Izanami does infact trap said ninja in the genjutsu until he comes to grips with the truth, then who in this jutsu determines the truth. In Itachi's fight with Kabuto when Izanami was used it is pretty obvious what the truth was going to be, the fact that Kabuto was running from who he really was. But if this was used on an enemy who's truth wasnt known, then what would the truth be?

Example: Let us say that Hashirama runs into Itachi and both of them have no intel on each other, If Itachi used Izanami on Hashirama what would the outcome be? Which truth would Hashirama be forced to overcome?

Answer​

Spoiler

I believe that Izanami is a genjutsu cast by a ninja but CONTROLLED by the enemy ninja.

Then what would the truth be if cast on someone you have no intel on? It depends completely on the ninja, they themselves control the difficulty of leaving the genjutsu. If they have no inner conflict then the genjutsu would either have very little/vague conditions for exiting it or it would be ineffective and may or may not still take the casters sharingan.

Let me use Kabuto as an example:

Durnig his fight with Itachi Itachi says alot of things to rile Kabuto up and get him angry, he then repeatedly tells him that he needs to accept himself for who he is. But why is that? Itachi isnt the type of person to talk about nonsense like that during a battle especially against someone as strong as Kabuto. Also notice that he only starts talking about this stuff after initiating Izanami.

It is because by repeatedly telling Kabuto those things he was preparing his mind to make the condition of him leaving the genjutsu to be him accepting himself. Once he initiated Izanami he started bringing up him accepting himself, with that being on Kabuto's mind he subconsciously made that the condition for leaving Izanami upon it being activated.

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Conclusion​

Spoiler

Thus Izanami is a 2 part jutsu. It not only requires the Caster to feel the same sensation twice in order to activate it but it also requires him to prep the enemy ninja to create conditions that would be favorable to the caster.

But it would be very hard to rile up someone that you have no intel on and refuses to talk not to mention that Izangi would be a better defensive jutsu while a genjutsu would be a better offensive jutsu. This jutsu is less of an offensive/defensive jutsu and more of a niche jutsu used to incapacitate an ninja ninja who is going through some inner conflicts while they come to grips with the truth.

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This Scan says even more to the intelligence of Itachi. He says it is "already prepared", even though it really is not, there is alot left to be done. But by him saying that Kabuto lowers his guard or better yet will be looking for the wrong thing, he will be thinking that Itachi is using his words to distract him while he sets up his genjutsu when in reality Itachi is using the premise of the genjutsu in order to set him up with his words.

Its like the old saying about magicians. He had the bunny sitting in the false bottom of the hat the entire time, so when he waves his wand and tells you to pay attention the magic is already done. The key is misdirection.

nope, kishi invented this jutsu specifically to counter kabuto. technically itachi and sasuke had no way of beating kabuto in that fight, and kishi had to come up with something that will affect kabuto even if his eyes are closed.

I'm sure we will never see this genjutsu again in the manga.

 

[Aim64C]

Honestly, I was a little underwhelmed by Kishimoto's implementation of Izanami.

Izanagi and Izanami draw from Shinto beliefs (the same as all Sharingan techniques).

Izanagi and Izanami were brother and sister deities. To make a long story short - Izanami died. Izanagi went to the underworld to retrieve her - but found that she had become hideously decayed and had embraced being in the 'underworld.' Izanami then attempted to trap Izanagi with her in the underworld - and Izanami fled, narrowly escaping the underworld.

Thus - the ability of Izanagi within Naruto; one who flees from death.

And... well... Izanami doesn't seem to be as 'nice' of a translation. "One who accepts reality" would be Izanami... Though that implies a far more loose interpretation than Izanagi's effects (unless it can be used to "reject reality" in a manner beyond simply failing to die).

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[FearxDeath]

nope, kishi invented this jutsu specifically to counter kabuto. technically itachi and sasuke had no way of beating kabuto in that fight, and kishi had to come up with something that will affect kabuto even if his eyes are closed.

I'm sure we will never see this genjutsu again in the manga.

LOL, Sooo truee, I cant help but feel like that sometimes myself lol. Sasuke has litterally failed his way to the top and yet he only manages to get stronger and stronger somehow x__x.

But as far as Izangi and Izanami goes I think that is something that was planned from the start. I mean Danzo introduced Izangi WAY before Izanami was introduced by Itachi. And we all know that Izangi and Izanami are parralels to the japanese myth so if he put in Izangi the Izanami was on its way. So to say that it was a last minute thing just doesnt seem likely. Although you could argue that Kabuto was made unneccesarily strong in order to make Izanami seem like a more viable option.

Honestly, I was a little underwhelmed by Kishimoto's implementation of Izanami.

Izanagi and Izanami draw from Shinto beliefs (the same as all Sharingan techniques).

Izanagi and Izanami were brother and sister deities. To make a long story short - Izanami died. Izanagi went to the underworld to retrieve her - but found that she had become hideously decayed and had embraced being in the 'underworld.' Izanami then attempted to trap Izanagi with her in the underworld - and Izanami fled, narrowly escaping the underworld.

Thus - the ability of Izanagi within Naruto; one who flees from death.

And... well... Izanami doesn't seem to be as 'nice' of a translation. "One who accepts reality" would be Izanami... Though that implies a far more loose interpretation than Izanagi's effects (unless it can be used to "reject reality" in a manner beyond simply failing to die).

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Granted this is pretty much common knowledge. But for the most part you are correct, other than the fact that Izanami and Izangi are husband and wife and not brother and sister. But also your interpretation of kishimoto's implementation of them seen slightly off as well.

First off the story is that Izanami died giving birth to Izangi's child, Izangi in rage killed said child with the totsuka blade (which was then passed down to Susano after his creation) and then went to the underworld to steal his wife away. Upon getting there Izanami told him that she could not leave he underworld since she had already eaten food from the underworld and was thus trapped. He decided that he would then stay with her and she agreed as long as he vowed never to look at her face again, which he couldnt see anyways as it was soo dark. When she is sleeping he lights a lantern and looks at her face, see that she has become hideous and then runs away, she notices and chases after him, he barely escapes yomi. Upon leaving she yells out that she will kill 1000 people a day to make him pay for what he did and he responds then 1500 will be born every day.

Now lets get the the interpretation:

Izangi - Being that his wife died in child birth went to yomo, the underworld to free his wife. Rather than accept his wifes death he goes to the underworld an attempts to cheat the hangman by stealing her away from yomi. Thus changing what was meant to be there destiny.

Izanami - The wife who died, comes to the underworld and eats the food which condemns her to stay there. She accepts this.

This draws a parrelel in what we see in the series as Izangi was running rampant between the Uchiha as they were using it to win battles and became pretentious thinking they were invincible and were capable of doing anything. Izanami was then created to force those uchiha using Izangi to accept destiny and to not try to alter it much like what the original Izangi tried to do.

Personally I think his implementation was spot on, but I guess to each his own.

 

[BlinkST]

Granted this is pretty much common knowledge. But for the most part you are correct, other than the fact that Izanami and Izangi are husband and wife and not brother and sister.

They were brother and sister. It was very common for ancient myths to feature incestuous stories. Even the Israeli god "Yahweh" for example, was said to have claimed his mother (Asherah) as his wife, which is featured in various passages as "Asherah poles" inside places of worship.

 

[FearxDeath]

They were brother and sister. It was very common for ancient myths to feature incestuous stories. Even the Israeli god "Yahweh" for example, was said to have claimed his mother (Asherah) as his wife, which is featured in various passages as "Asherah poles" inside places of worship.

Sorry, I say that they were husband and wife a while ago and didnt know that they were also brother and sister. Which makes sense because as you said incest was ok back then, it was all about preserving the royal blood line and stuff like that. But yes they were husband and wife and also... brother and.... sister...

 

[Nous]

Well done!!

 

[FearxDeath]

Well done!!

Thanks im glad you liked the thread

 

[Vexion]

Good theory