People is obsessed with Chibaku Tensei

[Murasame]

I don't see how that makes the situation any different.....he wouldn't be at two place at the same time....you just said the frogs and naruto would be fighting him, so they're all in the same area

One shinra tensei blast was enough to defeat the Toads or the "distraction"

You didn't get my point about the V2 attack.....the V2 attack was powerful because of the hachibi chakra, when Bee used Lariat on Nagato, he sucked away all the chakra that was put into the move which made it deadly

he didn't suck away all of Bee's chakra, just the chakra from the attack

Naruto's Bijuu Mode attacks are all chakra, and it has been shown that Nagato has no limit thus far to the amount of chakra he can absorb

If say for instance, Naruto in kyuubi mode hit Nagato with the claw, nagato would suck up the chakra that went into the claw(much like how he sucked up V2 which was near instant) and probably take Naruto out of that form

it doesn't mean he would suck all of Naruto's chakra out....just the amount that was put into the attack

No read my post correctly I said Naruto's toad summons would fight Nagatos so Naruto could fight Nagato without any distraction. But I guess I shouldve made it more clear.


Ok well I see your point now that you made it more clearer but that still doesn't change the fact he cant take away the whole kyuubi shroud.. I'm pretty sure the hit is going to connect before the chakra is sucked up.. Nagato is either going to be smashed like a bug or he's going to be messed up from that... There's no way Nagato is going to suck enough unless given the time.. like if naruto just stood there and let him beside naruto can put in more chakra to bring back the shroud.. There's only so much Nagato can take until he reaches his limits.. a good hit or two is going to kill him. I acknowledge he can keep sucking all the chakra he wants but the point I'm making is that Nagato isn't.going to suck up all that chakra quickly.

 

[Lightbringer]

No read my post correctly I said Naruto's toad summons would fight Nagatos so Naruto could fight Nagato without any distraction. But I guess I shouldve made it more clear.

But as I've said many times.....the toads would be wiped out this one Shinra Tensei

your scenario is exactly what happened during the Deva Pain fight....Naruto summoned the toads to help him out and it didn't do much

Ok well I see your point now that you made it more clearer but that still doesn't change the fact he cant take away the whole kyuubi shroud.. I'm pretty sure the hit is going to connect before the chakra is sucked up.. Nagato is either going to be smashed like a bug or he's going to be messed up from that... There's no way Nagato is going to suck enough unless given the time.. like if naruto just stood there and let him beside naruto can put in more chakra to bring back the shroud.. There's only so much Nagato can take until he reaches his limits.. a good hit or two is going to kill him. I acknowledge he can keep sucking all the chakra he wants but the point I'm making is that Nagato isn't.going to suck up all that chakra quickly.

No again you're wrong

The kyuubi shroud is all chakra....just like the V2 Bee shroud

Before it hits Nagato it hits a barrier and is all sucked up

Bee hit him with lariat, and all that chakra was sucked up and became a regular arm swing which is why Nagato was undamaged from that

Nagato can then utilize that chakra as we've seen after he took Bee's Chakra

It doesn't matter how much chakra is put in, as long as it has chakra it's going to get absorbed....which is the whole point of preta path

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[Draphsin]

No again you're wrong

The kyuubi shroud is all chakra....just like the V2 Bee shroud

Before it hits Nagato it hits a barrier and is all sucked up

Bee hit him with lariat, and all that chakra was sucked up and became a regular arm swing which is why Nagato was undamaged from that

Nagato can then utilize that chakra as we've seen after he took Bee's Chakra

It doesn't matter how much chakra is put in, as long as it has chakra it's going to get absorbed....which is the whole point of preta path

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Exactly my point, lmao

Ive been trying to tell this guy the whole time about this very simple fact, but he seems to be daft towards it :sy:

 

[Murasame]

But as I've said many times.....the toads would be wiped out this one Shinra Tensei

your scenario is exactly what happened during the Deva Pain fight....Naruto summoned the toads to help him out and it didn't do much




No again you're wrong

The kyuubi shroud is all chakra....just like the V2 Bee shroud

Before it hits Nagato it hits a barrier and is all sucked up

Bee hit him with lariat, and all that chakra was sucked up and became a regular arm swing which is why Nagato was undamaged from that

Nagato can then utilize that chakra as we've seen after he took Bee's Chakra

It doesn't matter how much chakra is put in, as long as it has chakra it's going to get absorbed....which is the whole point of preta path

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For the very last time I KNOW. I get there is a barrier.. the point I'm trying to make is that the kyuubi shroud will smash him before Nagato can suck up the chakra.. Just like you said Killer bee in his V2 managed to hit Nagato before he absorbed his chakra... If he can do that Naruto with his Kyuubi shroud can too. Besides you seem to forget that he can use SM clones too and if any of them connect with a hit Nagato is going to get ko'd.

 

[Lightbringer]

For the very last time I KNOW. I get there is a barrier.. the point I'm trying to make is that the kyuubi shroud will smash him before Nagato can suck up the chakra.. Just like you said Killer bee in his V2 managed to hit Nagato before he absorbed his chakra... If he can do that Naruto with his Kyuubi shroud can too. Besides you seem to forget that he can use SM clones too and if any of them connect with a hit Nagato is going to get ko'd.

No that's not what I said.....

Bee's lariat and V2 was absorbed before it hit Nagato

his arm is made of flesh, that's what hit nagato....not his V2 shroud or lariat.....it was a regular punch

The kyuubi mode claw is all chakra, there is no flesh or physical attack behind the shroud since naruto is in the center

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Only attacks without chakra would work, like Taijutsu

Bijuu Mode is all chakra....no matter if it hits Nagato, the attack will get suck up before it has effect

Nagato defeated Naruto in sage mode in taijutsu

The only reason Naruto defeated Pain that time, was because he was facing only 1 path and used rasengan....if it was nagato himself, that rasengan wouldn't work due to preta path and Naruto would've lost

Nagato>Naruto in taijutsu

Naruto's bijuu mode and moves are all chakra......they get sucked up by preta path

 

[Murasame]

No that's not what I said.....

Bee's lariat and V2 was absorbed before it hit Nagato

his arm is made of flesh, that's what hit nagato....not his V2 shroud or lariat.....it was a regular punch

The kyuubi mode claw is all chakra, there is no flesh or physical attack behind the shroud since naruto is in the center

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Only attacks without chakra would work, like Taijutsu

Bijuu Mode is all chakra....no matter if it hits Nagato, the attack will get suck up before it has effect

Nagato defeated Naruto in sage mode in taijutsu

The only reason Naruto defeated Pain that time, was because he was facing only 1 path and used rasengan....if it was nagato himself, that rasengan wouldn't work due to preta path and Naruto would've lost

Nagato>Naruto in taijutsu

Naruto's bijuu mode and moves are all chakra......they get sucked up by preta path

No you're wrong Nagato still got hit by his V2 lariat.. I'll even look up the anime scene... Nagato was just lucky he was an edo.. he would've been knocked out of breath if that was his real living body. But I guess you do have a point the Kyuubi shroud is chakra and may or may not be able to reach him before it gets absorbed. Nagato>Sage Mode Naruto in taijutsu?!?! Ok don't make me laugh. Nagato had never fought with Sage mode Naruto in taijutsu. If you're referring to the 6POP they got their ass kicked in taijutsu.. Naruto was able to even hold his own in base form against Deva Path. Naruto can easily defeat Nagato in taijutsu.. because even if Nagato dodged one of his punches he'll get hit by frog kumite. Nagato will get knocked out momentarily and that gives Naruto enough time to finish him. Nagato can't defeat Naruto with anything other than Preta path and Hell path if that's what its called. Naruto can use a TBB that equals a tbb from multiple tailed beasts.. if Nagato uses preta path it'll stall Nagato long enough until for for multiple SM clones maybe even one to blind side him.

 

[Lightbringer]

No you're wrong Nagato still got hit by his V2 lariat.. I'll even look up the anime scene... Nagato was just lucky he was an edo.. he would've been knocked out of breath if that was his real living body. But I guess you do have a point the Kyuubi shroud is chakra and may or may not be able to reach him before it gets absorbed. Nagato>Sage Mode Naruto in taijutsu?!?! Ok don't make me laugh. Nagato had never fought with Sage mode Naruto in taijutsu. If you're referring to the 6POP they got their ass kicked in taijutsu.. Naruto was able to even hold his own in base form against Deva Path. Naruto can easily defeat Nagato in taijutsu.. because even if Nagato dodged one of his punches he'll get hit by frog kumite. Nagato will get knocked out momentarily and that gives Naruto enough time to finish him. Nagato can't defeat Naruto with anything other than Preta path and Hell path if that's what its called. Naruto can use a TBB that equals a tbb from multiple tailed beasts.. if Nagato uses preta path it'll stall Nagato long enough until for for multiple SM clones maybe even one to blind side him.

Naruto got impaled by Pain in sage mode, and if it wasn't for his kyuubi chakra and hinata breaking the chakra rods, then he would've been captured...and this was only the Deva Path

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Naruto can only maintain sage mode for 5 min....without preparation like he did with the pain battle where he had clones gathering natural energy, it wouldn't do much

Preta Path is always active.......it's like a susanooo

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Bee did absolutely nothing to Nagato except give him more chakra and left himself drained....here's the manga page....Nagato took no damage whatsoever, he instead healed

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[Space Cowboy]

Damn you guys are going at it

 

[Champ]

Kirin would destroy CT

 

[Space Cowboy]

Kirin would destroy CT

This literally made me laugh out loud

 

[Champ]

This literally made me laugh out loud

That's nice

 

[Murasame]

Naruto got impaled by Pain in sage mode, and if it wasn't for his kyuubi chakra and hinata breaking the chakra rods, then he would've been captured...and this was only the Deva Path

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Naruto can only maintain sage mode for 5 min....without preparation like he did with the pain battle where he had clones gathering natural energy, it wouldn't do much

Preta Path is always active.......it's like a susanooo

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Bee did absolutely nothing to Nagato except give him more chakra and left himself drained....here's the manga page....Nagato took no damage whatsoever, he instead healed

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And that's where you're wrong... That Naruto was in base mode.

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So your argument there is invalid besides Naruto has gotten stronger since that time.. correct me if I'm wrong but can't Naruto fuse with Ma and Pa now that he's cooperating with the kyuubi? I'm pretty sure he can do that now so he won't have to worry about a time limit. Anyways you say he'll have preta path on always like susanoo... well if he does that what happens when he takes in chakra from an Sm clone? Oh yeah he can possibly turn into stone. So he can take that risk or he can turn off preta path and get hit by BM clones. Either way he's probably screwed. If you say shinra tensei Naruto will use his shunsin and hit him before he even gets to use it.. Nagato couldnt react to amaterasu and dont say he was controlled by Kabuto because he was on auto pilot and when youre on auto pilot youre set to react to any enemy attack and counter with the appropriate method. You still haven't countered my argument about TBB btw.

Damn you guys are going at it

Haha yeah I know right it was me debating against 3 people.

Kirin would destroy CT

Maybe if somehow Sasuke was given prep to use it and if the orb is in its beginning stage but that scenario seems impossible.

This literally made me laugh out loud

Haha yeah I can see why.

 

[Lightbringer]

And that's where you're wrong... That Naruto was in base mode.

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So your argument there is invalid besides Naruto has gotten stronger since that time.. correct me if I'm wrong but can't Naruto fuse with Ma and Pa now that he's cooperating with the kyuubi? I'm pretty sure he can do that now so he won't have to worry about a time limit. Anyways you say he'll have preta path on always like susanoo... well if he does that what happens when he takes in chakra from an Sm clone? Oh yeah he can possibly turn into stone. So he can take that risk or he can turn off preta path and get hit by BM clones. Either way he's probably screwed. If you say shinra tensei Naruto will use his shunsin and hit him before he even gets to use it.. Nagato couldnt react to amaterasu and dont say he was controlled by Kabuto because he was on auto pilot and when youre on auto pilot youre set to react to any enemy attack and counter with the appropriate method. You still haven't countered my argument about TBB btw.

Haha yeah I know right it was me debating against 3 people.

Maybe if somehow Sasuke was given prep to use it and if the orb is in its beginning stage but that scenario seems impossible.

Haha yeah I can see why.

Ok well him being in sage mode wouldn't make any difference....he still wouldn't counter bansho tennin unless he switches constantly between modes

TBB is chakra, it wouldn't work, it'll get absorbed

and Naruto did throw rasenshuriken while in sage mode, and it got sucked up no problem...the only reason Nagato would turn to stone is if he sucked up his chakra straight out of the body....not from his jutsu while in that mode

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if Naruto was capable of defeating Nagato, then he wouldn't have needed back-up during the edo fight...bijuu mode is just chakra mode with the kyuubi shroud and that makes absolutely no difference when someone can absorb chakra

I've said all that I've had to say since it seems pointless to go any further, if you want to hear the majority opinion and what they have to say about it, make a thread and add a poll

 

[khaydz5]

We are all using our imagination and we are all theoretically speaking. We are all imagining how the fight goes in our head. Since we are I also imagine Itachi taking sasukes eyes enabling him to achieve EMS, he will then have PS, totuska blade with yata mirrior, and also tsukuyomi, izanagi, izanami. He will be able to cast his spells without going blind, and taking less chakra to cast it. So here is the real list.

1.EMS Itachi
2.Hashirama
3.EMS Madara
4.Obito
5.Nagato
6.Kabuto
7.Naruto

No doubt by the end of the series naruto will be at #1

even if itachi achieves ems, which would never happen, he will not still be in top 5. His chakra reserve is equal to tenten's. without sharingan and genjutsu rock lee can rape itachi, honestly.

Yeah I got that but the argument I was trying to make is that Nagato can't absorb all of that chakra in an instant as Drasphin was saying.. I mean the Kyuubi has like near infinite chakra... That gives Naruto enough time to blind side him and KO him with an SM clone. Madara has preta path too but I haven't seen him catching Naruto and sucking up his Chakra... You guys are overrating Nagato too much..
Yeah he's freakishly powerful but BM Naruto beats him..

edit: The Kyuubi Shroud is an extension to naruto so he should be able to attack with it... And as I said above Nagato can't absorb all of that chakra in a mere few seconds. Naruto can clobber him with the kyuubi shroud.

no one's over rating nagato here. its just HOW preta path works.. sorry, complain to kishi if you want.

 

[enditallsin]

what about the uchiha fans obsession, with tsukiyomi,and totsuka?

 

[Midday]

what about the uchiha fans obsession, with tsukiyomi,and totsuka?

Tsukyomi 1 shots, totsuk blitz.

 

[Murasame]

Ok well him being in sage mode wouldn't make any difference....he still wouldn't counter bansho tennin unless he switches constantly between modes

TBB is chakra, it wouldn't work, it'll get absorbed

and Naruto did throw rasenshuriken while in sage mode, and it got sucked up no problem...the only reason Nagato would turn to stone is if he sucked up his chakra straight out of the body....not from his jutsu while in that mode

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if Naruto was capable of defeating Nagato, then he wouldn't have needed back-up during the edo fight...bijuu mode is just chakra mode with the kyuubi shroud and that makes absolutely no difference when someone can absorb chakra

I've said all that I've had to say since it seems pointless to go any further, if you want to hear the majority opinion and what they have to say about it, make a thread and add a poll

Who said there was going to be one Naruto? Have you been listening to what I've said? I said it was going to be Bm Naruto with SM clones.

And yeah no shit Sherlock read what I said. What I said was that if Nagato tried to use preta path on TBB it'll take him a while to absorb it since it equaled multiple tbbs of other bijuus. So an Sm clone from behind and ko him.

And wtf? When did I ever say that he would turn to stone from sm narutos jutsu? You just wasted your time countering something I never said. You're not even reading any of my posts correctly lol What I said was that if Nagato had his preta path shield on like you said he can risk turning to stone because he's going to be fighting sm clones along with BM Naruto. So he can take the risk of doing that or he can turn off preta path and end getting destroyed by BM Naruto.

Ok? That was KCM Naruto he was starting to get the hang of using his chakra mode.. And really now? Alright so if they're the same Naruto wouldn't have had to gone bijuu mode to fight all the tailed beast.. You're telling me KCM Naruto would've been able to replicate the same feats he did in Bijuu mode? Don't make me laugh.

What's the point of making a thread about it? If Naruto gets the higher votes you'll just make excuses and say they're biased or Naruto fanboys.

 

[Murasame]

even if itachi achieves ems, which would never happen, he will not still be in top 5. His chakra reserve is equal to tenten's. without sharingan and genjutsu rock lee can rape itachi, honestly.



no one's over rating nagato here. its just HOW preta path works.. sorry, complain to kishi if you want.

Yup and Nagato wouldn't be shit without Rinnegan so what's your point?

Who said I was complaining about preta path? Get out of here with your nonsense you don't even know what I'm talking about. And Yeah they are if they still think Nagato can defeat BM Naruto.

 

[Vexion]

Pain for the win