Orochimaru Vs Yondaime

[BenjerminGaye]

Orochimaru needs preparation for his Edo Tensei. There is no guarantee he would get the time to find the blood and corpse necessary for the ritual and do that in time especially when facing an opponent as fast as Minato. Even if smh he uses Edo Tensei, it could turn to be a downfall for him more than anything else if Minato manages to put a contract seal on him which would make the Edos break free from Orochimaru's control and in this case, it can be argued that they could decide to help Minato instead noticing the dangerosity of Orochimaru's intents or because they simply don't like to be manipulated by someone

THANK YOU ppl seem to forget that edo tensai requires prep time.

 

[Owarij]

Orochimaru has already done his prep for edo tensei.. Prep for the jutsu is only needed ONCE... just like prep for summoning an animal is only needed once.. saying oro needs prep is as idiotic as saying as naruto needs to remake his contract with toads during the fight before he can summon gamabunta..

like kabuto, they only need to clap their hand and the edos appear up in coffins..

 

[Owarij]

bogard..you're arguing that orochimaru can't tank a rasengan...when he's be cut in half, punched by tsunade, and worse... the only ability he said would hurt him really, was tbb...

you're also attributing naruto's enhanced rasengan variants, to Minato's basic rasengan

He can do it alot of times.. and now he has a full body made of moukouton, which equals to increased chakra..

Don't know why this is an argument.. he has Tobirama and Hiruzen under his control

 

[Owarij]

Contract seal take care of that

Contract seal? no effect on edos as they are controlled by orders and a talisman embedded in their head.. they don't fight due to a contract

That variant you talk about is not really different than normal rasengan. It's just 3rasengans put together. We see 3holes on Muu, and none of the 3holes(made by each rasengan) were able to regenerate in time. So in order words, Edo tensei regenerative abilities have shown limits against rasengan. Not even going to mention the fact that Minato's rasengan looks more like Naruto's Odama rasengan than even his normal rasengan, so the power of the jutsu is also beyond the level of a normal rasengan

3 rasengans spiraling around more than a normal rasengan causing a huge vortex of damage? no, it's far from an ordinary rasengan

Don't know how you using reasoning and put a normal rasengan which barely took off obito's zetsu arm on par with

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a normal rasengan barely left damage on kabuto's p1 chest.. and in PART 1, kabuto did not have regenerative properties beyond that of Orochimaru..

Kabuto is a medic genius, what does that have to do with Orochimaru and his snake regenerative properties? and now he has senju dna equipped with more chakra?

 

[Curse Mark]

That wasn't even a battle.And in any case,

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Loved this response. I'd rep if I could, seriously.

 

[Owarij]

i am sure kabuto and kimimaro enjoyed seeing orochimaru stomp

Kimmimaro etc wasn't there in the manga, that's a filler anime scenario.. we do not know whatsoever how the battle went

 

[Owarij]

The talisman in their head is a form of contract exactly like the toad scroll where you see the name of Jiraya and co for example


Like i've said, it's 3rasengan put together and from the 3holes we've seen on Muu, none was regenerating in time. Rasengan is the only jutsu so far that has been shown to be beyond regenerative jutsus and Edo tensei was another example of it

I believe Spiral Zetsu is the one who died from that rasengan and when you look at the impact of the jutsu, it's kind of normal


a normal rasengan barely left damage on kabuto's p1 chest.. and in PART 1, kabuto did not have regenerative properties beyond that of Orochimaru..[/COLOR]

That Kabuto even had time to concentrate ALL his chakra on his abdomen and even so he barely survived it It's a regenerative jutsu FAR beyond Orochimaru's level. In fact Orochimaru has not even shown a regenerative jutsu, but more like reincarnation jutsus. Kabuto regenerative jutsu is Tsunade's level since his regenerative jutsu works exactly like Byakuyou. It create new cells replacing the damage one:

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Even then, it still couldn't handle it[/QUOTE]

He couldn't handle it because he had no chakra left... and how does him having a similar technique = to it being better than orochimaru? don't spew nonsense.. just because he can heal without handseals in no way means the tech is better.. he can't heal from being split in half can he? Oro has an ability that allows to him to regenerate from massive amounts of damage.. and unlike Sasuke or kabuto, oro has TONS of chakra.. backed up by the databook, and the very fact that he's able to summon the rashomin gates..summoning 1 gate alone takes a chunk of your chakra, and he easily summoned 3.... not to mention he recently got senju dna to aid his chakra reserves.. he can use his rebirth as much as he wants..

The talisman in their head is a form of contract exactly like the toad scroll where you see the name of Jiraya and co for example

Errr, wrong, the talisman is nothing like a contract, he can actually control the edos without it, the talisman just wipes their memory and emotions.. edo tensei operates in no way similar to a summoning fighting by blood bond

 

[Strict]

Does Orochimarus rebirth technique equal regeneration? I don't think so.

Orochimaru was bisect by Naruto but has put himself together again.
Kabuto slaughtered Orochimaru and yet he has just reborn himself.
Itachi stabbed him with Totsukas sword and Orochimaru laughed, as a "little scratch like that" as he called it would not stop him.

And yet Bogard says that Minatos Rasengan, that didn't even finish Obito, would finish him off? I remember a thread where Bogard said, that Nagato would be killed by a Kunai of Minato during the interval of Shinra Tensei. I mean common, who has the worst fanbase, haha.

 

[Strict]

Simply because like i've said, Orochimaru has no regenerative jutsu. He has reincarnation jutsus. That is totally different. He doesn't recover from damages, he avoid them

That doesn't go to Minatos favor, however.. Minatos Rasengan didn't finish Obito off; he lost his arm that was made up from Zetsu mass (we know how Zetsu reacts to a Rasengan) but was still standing. Don't be so naive, a Rasengan will make Orochimaru laugh.

 

[Curse Mark]

Clearly talismans don't wipe memory. And it's so obvious that planetary rasengan is so much stronger than just 3 rasengan. Proof is in the scan that was shown.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If Minato can Rasengan Orochimaru/anyone else he can tag him as well, since both require contact. Once Oro is tagged he can be sealed or Rasenganed 1000 times.

You choose whichever you want. He's dead either way.

 

[KillerMongoose]

Orochimaru would win mid diff (without Edo Tensei). To suggest that Rasengan would do any thing to Orochimaru is ridicules. Orochimaru has had his neck sliced open, took a full power punch to the face by Tsunade, was cut in half by Naruto, was smashed in the face by Naruto then sent flying trough trees, was sliced into pieces by Sasuke, and stabbed by the Totsuka blade. Rasengan would not even scratch him.

 

[Strict]

You mean Obito with Hashirama's senju DNA and regenerative abilities with Spiral Zetsu suit on him? I believe it's Spiral Zetsu who died from that rasengan. It was his arm that was cut off, not Obito's. Obito was forced to retreat because of that. Concerning Nagato vs Minato, it's laughable how people who can't give proper counter-arguments accuse fanbase

What does a portion of Hashiramas DNA change? Minato fully hit him at his back, yet he wasn't finished. So, I don't want to reread all these pages.. how Minato is going to beat Orochimaru?

 

[pateuvasiliu]

What does a portion of Hashiramas DNA change? Minato fully hit him at his back, yet he wasn't finished. So, I don't want to reread all these pages.. how Minato is going to beat Orochimaru?

As I said before, if Minato can Rasengan Oro, which is melee, he can also tag him for FTG. Once that happens he barrages Orochimaru with rasengans.

Or seals him.

Or stabs him in the skull.

 

[Strict]

As I said before, if Minato can Rasengan Oro, which is melee, he can also tag him for FTG. Once that happens he barrages Orochimaru with rasengans.

When Orochimaru does his rebirth technique, he leaves his old body where the mark was left and skins himself.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

When Orochimaru does his rebirth technique, he leaves his old body where the mark was left and skins himself.

1.Oro has no knowledge on FTG.

2.If he got tagged once what can he do to -not- get tagged again?

3.Oral Rebirth consumes a ton of chakra.

4.Who says he doesn't get sealed instantly?

 

[Strict]

Simply because Obito has regenerative abilities that Orochimaru lacks? Also like i've said, Obito didn't directly receive his attack. Spiral Zetsu protected Obito's real body

What makes you think he wore Spiralzetsu? He didn't wear something like that, he had his mask, his hairs were seen and his body didn't have the appearance of wearing it. He didn't even show abilities of Spiralzetsu, like monstrous strength for example. That's only a theory that needs to be proven. It also doesn't matter whether Orochimaru has regenerative abilities. If a Rasengan isn't tanked (what indeed can be done), he can just use his rebirth technique. Narutos Rasengan also didn't leave much damage at Obitos arm when it was absorbed by Kakashi, in order to hit him. Narutos Rasengan also didn't cause any damage at Deva's stomach. Naruto is definitely more experienced with the Rasengan.

 

[KillerMongoose]

Orochimaru would just use Attack Prevention Technique, and ta-da the tags would not mean shit.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Naruto is definitely more experienced with the Rasengan.

In terms of developing it.

Yet it was a regular Rasengan that hit Deva, Kabuto and Muu.

Minato's Rasengan is as big as Odama, therefore stronger.

 

[Strict]

1.Oro has no knowledge on FTG.

2.If he got tagged once what can he do to -not- get tagged again?

3.Oral Rebirth consumes a ton of chakra.

4.Who says he doesn't get sealed instantly?

Minato was known for his FTG to the whole world, yet Orochimaru, who spend his life in searching and understanding Jutsu and summoned Minato, doesn't have knowledge on it? Haha, ok.

How does Orochimaru get sealed, even instantly? The only known sealing technique by Minato does seal him along with the other person.

It's hard to beat Orochimaru with physical damage. But I admit that Orochimaru doesn't actually have a way to beat Minato, too. If we exclude Edo Tensei, of course . Without Edo Tensei, Minato is the favorite here.