Sasuke vs kakashi and guy

[BlackFlame44]

Not to mention cs 1 1/2 sasuke dodged Amaterasu too

 

[shelke]

I LOVE how you TOTALLY underrate the 8 gates

Do you realize how fast Lee was in the Chuunin exams in the 4th gate?

Imagine Guy doing that, but since at that time Lee had a 4 in speed and Guy has a 5, he will be much faster.

Now multiply that time the amount of power is increased in the 5th, 6th, and 7th gates, which is A LOT(each gate opened builds upon the previous ones so it exponentially increases their speed). At that point, Guy is either on the raikages level or surpassed it.

Also, you say he barely dodged it? how can you tell for sure? That right there is pure speculation. He dodged it, we cant tell if he dodged it barely or not, but all we know is that he can actually avoid amaterasu at close range.

Are those stats manga fact, or did you just make them up? Eight gates only raises Gai's stats over a single Kage, that is a manga fact. Where are you getting this from, when the dude hasn't once opened them? The rest of your points on Gai somehow miraculously dodging Amaterasu and even genjutsu are speculations. He isn't a sensor, nor has manga ever implied this. Manga has never aligned is speed with Raikage as well.

But, you can always prove me wrong. Raikage dodged Amaterasu - as I keep venturing over and over again - with two abilities; Body Flicker and V2 Armour. This is how it went down:

Raikage already anticipating Sasuke’s attack:

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Look at the distance Raikage leaves behind after the evasion:
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You can see him moving and creating a flickering image of himself:
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When Amaterasu passes the point of focus, that's barely 25 centimeter or so. Keep ignoring it.

Not to mention cs 1 1/2 sasuke dodged Amaterasu too

Right, Itachi formed a handseal and kept his line of sight behind Sasuke because he was obviously trying to kill him? That is the worse argument anyone can bring to the table, when we both know the reasons behind the battle. Amaterasu also follows line of sight -

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. If the eyes are kept behind an individual's motion, what would happen?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Guy drops hirudora then kakashi uses kamui.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Are those stats manga fact, or did you just make them up? Eight gates only raises Gai's stats over a single Kage, that is a manga fact. Where are you getting this from, when the dude hasn't once opened them? The rest of your points on Gai somehow miraculously dodging Amaterasu and even genjutsu are speculations. He isn't a sensor, nor has manga ever implied this. Manga has never aligned is speed with Raikage as well.

But, you can always prove me wrong. Raikage dodged Amaterasu - as I keep venturing over and over again - with two abilities; Body Flicker and V2 Armour. This is how it went down:

Raikage already anticipating Sasuke’s attack:

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Look at the distance Raikage leaves behind after the evasion:
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You can see him moving and creating a flickering image of himself:
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When Amaterasu passes the point of focus, that's barely 25 centimeter or so. Keep ignoring it.



Right, Itachi formed a handseal and kept his line of sight behind Sasuke because he was obviously trying to kill him? That is the worse argument anyone can bring to the table, when we both know the reasons behind the battle. Amaterasu also follows line of sight -

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. If the eyes are kept behind an individual's motion, what would happen?

Your point? Killing intent or not he dodged it

 

[shelke]

^ My point is Gai's fanfiction sensor abilities.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Are those stats manga fact, or did you just make them up? Eight gates only raises Gai's stats over a single Kage, that is a manga fact. Where are you getting this from, when the dude hasn't once opened them? The rest of your points on Gai somehow miraculously dodging Amaterasu and even genjutsu are speculations. He isn't a sensor, nor has manga ever implied this. Manga has never aligned is speed with Raikage as well.

But, you can always prove me wrong. Raikage dodged Amaterasu - as I keep venturing over and over again - with two abilities; Body Flicker and V2 Armour. This is how it went down:

Raikage already anticipating Sasuke’s attack:

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Look at the distance Raikage leaves behind after the evasion:
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You can see him moving and creating a flickering image of himself:
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When Amaterasu passes the point of focus, that's barely 25 centimeter or so. Keep ignoring it.



Right, Itachi formed a handseal and kept his line of sight behind Sasuke because he was obviously trying to kill him? That is the worse argument anyone can bring to the table, when we both know the reasons behind the battle. Amaterasu also follows line of sight -

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. If the eyes are kept behind an individual's motion, what would happen?

Nope, those are manga facts. They raise his abilities over any kage, not just one. Otherwise it would say that opening the 8 gates would make you more powerful than tobirama for example and nobody else. Its generalized to show that anyone who opens them will gain power that is greater than a kage.

You say that Guy hasn't opened them? seriously? That is the most BS post I have ever seen.

And you think that he is gonna sit there and just be hit with amaterasu? No, he is gonna be blitzing all over the place like Lee did which will be faster than the sharingan can track. Itachi wont be able to land a single hit on him until the effects start to catch up to him, which wont happen for a little.

Dodging amaterasu might be more speculation, but he can and will dodge any genjutsu. He created it and its part of his sharingan counters. Irrefutable manga fact.

 

[shelke]

Off Topic: Damn it; why the frack am I unable to quote posts again? Stupid Mofo internet.

No, over a single Kage not several one of them. With what stats? That's an 'up in the air' factor.

Gai has never once gone up to 8th gate. Comprehension comes in short supplies? As this is what I ventured. If he has, then I don't remember it.

Doing what? Is he going to blitz all over the place like an idiot? Gai having sensing abilities is fanfiction at best. If he looks at the eyes to dodge Amaterasu, he is taken out by Genjutsu. If he looks at the feet to avoid it, he's taken out by Amaterasu. Not that he can tell it's coming anyway, but I can give you a small benefit of the doubt for debates sake, as we both know, he cannot sense jack.

Never denied it, as he can fight by looking at feet. But then what? is he avoiding Amaterasu? No he isn't which is why, he is taken out fairly easily. People just hammer Sasuke because he is hated on this base with passion for some hogwash and largely stupid reasons, but it's an irrefutable fact, that this guy has nothing to make him last in this fight or make him break a few beads of sweat. Let's be realistic.

 

[fastrthnwind]

Off Topic: Damn it; why the frack am I unable to quote posts again? Stupid Mofo internet.

No, over a single Kage not several one of them. With what stats? That's an 'up in the air' factor.

Gai has never once gone up to 8th gate. Comprehension comes in short supplies? As this is what I ventured. If he has, then I don't remember it.

Doing what? Is he going to blitz all over the place like an idiot? Gai having sensing abilities is fanfiction at best. If he looks at the eyes to dodge Amaterasu, he is taken out by Genjutsu. If he looks at the feet to avoid it, he's taken out by Amaterasu. Not that he can tell it's coming anyway, but I can give you a small benefit of the doubt for debates sake, as we both know, he cannot sense jack.

Never denied it, as he can fight by looking at feet. But then what? is he avoiding Amaterasu? No he isn't which is why, he is taken out fairly easily. People just hammer Sasuke because he is hated on this base with passion for some hogwash and largely stupid reasons, but it's an irrefutable fact, that this guy has nothing to make him last in this fight or make sweat break a few beads of sweat. Let's be realistic.

He will surpass them in speed and power because that is the power the 8 gates grants. Its as simple as that.

It is VERY heavily implied that he can because he said he needed to and was literally about to solo 5 TBB's point blank and probably the TB themselves. Kakashi didn't deny it either saying that it wouldn't be the greatest idea because he would die after he used it and leave him without any back-up.

Yes he would be blitzing all over the place. Did I say he had sensory abilities at all? Please reread my posts and point out where I said he could sense them.

Lets be realistic, if guy goes 6+ gates, he isn't going to just stand there and be hit. He would blitz the hell out of itachis susanoo, being constantly on the move. When he does that, he wont be tracable by the sharingan, therefore he wont be hit by amaterasu. Its so simple. How can you not understand this simple concept?

 

[elsepa]

He will surpass them in speed and power because that is the power the 8 gates grants. Its as simple as that.

It is VERY heavily implied that he can because he said he needed to and was literally about to solo 5 TBB's point blank and probably the TB themselves. Kakashi didn't deny it either saying that it wouldn't be the greatest idea because he would die after he used it and leave him without any back-up.

Yes he would be blitzing all over the place. Did I say he had sensory abilities at all? Please reread my posts and point out where I said he could sense them.

Lets be realistic, if guy goes 6+ gates, he isn't going to just stand there and be hit. He would blitz the hell out of itachis susanoo, being constantly on the move. When he does that, he wont be tracable by the sharingan, therefore he wont be hit by amaterasu. Its so simple. How can you not understand this simple concept?

Sasuke fanboy prolly , also Gai and the 8th gates are underrated.

 

[BigBlade Master]

Sasuke wins , my opinion

 

[Brooks]

Sasuke fanboy prolly , also Gai and the 8th gates are underrated.

Have you seen what 8 Gates can do when you're saying it's underrate? We yet to see the full power of EMS Sasuke also, but that doesn't mean he has to be underrated.

 

[BazzBee]

Guy stomps Fool ya fool !

 

[adeshina365]

Not to mention cs 1 1/2 sasuke dodged Amaterasu too

Itachi wasn't even trying to hit him, SMH.

 

[iRefleX]

Gai solos U_U

OK, how will gai counter Susanoo + amaterasu armour?

 

[shelke]

He will surpass them in speed and power because that is the power the 8 gates grants. Its as simple as that.

It is VERY heavily implied that he can because he said he needed to and was literally about to solo 5 TBB's point blank and probably the TB themselves. Kakashi didn't deny it either saying that it wouldn't be the greatest idea because he would die after he used it and leave him without any back-up.

Yes he would be blitzing all over the place. Did I say he had sensory abilities at all? Please reread my posts and point out where I said he could sense them.

Lets be realistic, if guy goes 6+ gates, he isn't going to just stand there and be hit. He would blitz the hell out of itachis susanoo, being constantly on the move. When he does that, he wont be tracable by the sharingan, therefore he wont be hit by amaterasu. Its so simple. How can you not understand this simple concept?

Where is the manga page where he went to 8 gates and surpassed so and so people? Until you don't show me that page, what are you basing your argumentation on? Gai also said that going up to eight gates would most probably kill him? Why disregard that?

So he blitzes CS covered with Susano'o and Sasuke can simply create an additional wall of Amaterasu around himself as he did so in Kabuto fight? Is he coming anywhere near Sasuke because of this? Don't throw Sasuke's feats with Amaterasu out of the window. With these two enforced, no one is coming near Susano'o.

Sasuke fanboy prolly , also Gai and the 8th gates are underrated.

And the only one backing up his claims with manga images, rather than imaginary 8 gate stats? A thing is underated when it's never once revealed in the manga? Nonsense.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Itachi wasn't even trying to hit him, SMH.

Uh yes he was ya idiot he wasmt trying to KILL him but he did try to burn him

 

[DeaDloCk]

kakashi and gai win dis easily....

 

[fastrthnwind]

Where is the manga page where he went to 8 gates and surpassed so and so people? Until you don't show me that page, what are you basing your argumentation on? Gai also said that going up to eight gates would most probably kill him? Why disregard that?

So he blitzes CS covered with Susano'o and Sasuke can simply create an additional wall of Amaterasu around himself as he did so in Kabuto fight? Is he coming anywhere near Sasuke because of this? Don't throw Sasuke's feats with Amaterasu out of the window. With these two enforced, no one is coming near Susano'o.



And the only one backing up his claims with manga images, rather than imaginary 8 gate stats? A thing is underated when it's never once revealed in the manga? Nonsense.

As I said before, it is HEAVILY implied meaning it is implied so much that the only thing missing to confirm it is the page of him actually shown using the 8th gate. Everything else supports it, him being able to reach the 7th gate easily, him actually saying that he would need to use the 8th gate, and Kakashi not even denying that he cant use the 8th gate. All in all, my argumentation is nearly fully supported by every sort of hype imaginable. Just because there isn't a page showing it doesn't mean that he cant use it. If there was, then he would be dead now wouldn't he?

I never disreguarded that it would kill him, but it would definitely give him the speed and power necessary to keep out of sight of the sharingan and deal maximum damage.

So basically your saying that Gai cant utilise any sort of long range attack against a susanoo user. Tell that to madara. Gaican create an island long blast of compressed air that (SEEMINGLY) destroyed Madaras incomplete susanoo, and this is when Gai was half-dead and constricted by the power of Madaras mokuton.

There is nothing imaginary about 8 gates stats, there are already scans of the speed and power demonstrated when utilizing its power. And, as most people you takes things SO literally; 8 gates meaning ANY GATES, not just the 8th gate. It goes up to the 8th gate, but the technique itself is called the 8 gates.

 

[shelke]

^ Hype isn't argumentation and that's that. Until you do not have any page to back it up, this logic is nothing but pure speculation. And said I said; how is he countering CS coated with Kagatsuchi and a wall of raw Amaterasu regardless of his so called gates?

Show me a page where he destroyed Susano'o? I haven't seen it. It simply blew it backwards. If five Kages were barely able to accomplish it through their combined efforts, Gai did it with a single attack? Yeah right.

False, Gai will vault over the Stats of a single Kage when he opens the eighth gate. Literally? What is this; a poetic piece from John Keats' Odes that have five other metaphoric dimensions? It's meant to be taken in a literal manner.

 

[ILikeBigYolos]

*yo yo yo yo not really an unfair match
sasuke has ems, powerful eyes with no catch
sasuke can pwn kakashi with mid diff
and if you add might guy it would be quite a jiff*
yeaaaaaaaaaahhhhh!

What's a jiff?