(DrProof)The Rinnegan's Omnipotent; Tengai Shinsei

[DrProof]

Initially, Tengai Shinsei is a Rinnegan technique. However, the presence of Madara's Susano'o is imperative to consider. Using the Susano'o's power along with the Rinnegan's Deva Path, the meteorites are ripped from space (or the atmosphere).

Incorrect. Susano'o doesn't have "power" Susano'o is simply a coating of the users own chakra hence, the user (Madara) is using his Edo Tensei based chakra levels to bring forth meteorites. This is a combined effort of Edo Tensei's infinite chakra levels, and The Rinnegan's prowess.

 

[Lord of the Kings]

Thanks bro.

The power in which they emit is godly. If you had read the OP then you'd know this. The Jubi is that of an Omnipotent as it is a "god". Also to further more prove that this technique belongs in the "Omnipotent" category "it rains from the Heavens":

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Actually,you are wrong when using omnipotent term.Even gods around the world didn't give credits as omnipotent like God in Christianity.Zeus wasn't considered omnipotent or Bhudda wasn't considered omnipotent.
Creation of All things was near omnipotent level,since it created natural rules for ninja world.The Creation of All Things is supremely powerful jutsu but not omnipotent,it re-created things based on what already have.

 

[Putokage]

Beside i want to add something,an omnipotent figure can do anything right?
Even Goku didn't have power to control space-times or fate,create universe,resurrect people,create demons and angels to toy with,create mortals or gods to toy with,....
Goku and So6P were just having power to destroy in large scale,altering things that already created but not creating.

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I believe you said something about lacking the capicity to create?

 

[DrProof]

Then why was susanoo forming handseals

Susano'o users are able to control their chakra.. It's basic chakra control. This is like saying "How does Sasuke walk on water?" he uses exceptional chakra control.

 

[DrProof]

Actually,you are wrong when using omnipotent term.Even gods around the world didn't give credits as omnipotent like God in Christianity.Zeus wasn't considered omnipotent or Bhudda wasn't considered omnipotent.
Creation of All things was near omnipotent level,since it created natural rules for ninja world.The Creation of All Things is supremely powerful jutsu but not omnipotent,it re-created things based on what already have.

Why the hell are you arguing rather or not I used Omnipotent wrong or not? Stick to the thread material, and not the title. Lmao.

 

[Erin]

Susano'o users are able to control their chakra.. It's basic chakra control. This is like saying "How does Sasuke walk on water?" he uses exceptional chakra control.

No, he isnt asking how it is possible, he is asking what is the purpose of it doing hand seals if they are meaningless.

And if tailed beasts and summoned creatures can utilize hand seals, while they are completely made of chakra, then I don't see why a susanoo could not.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Susano'o users are able to control their chakra.. It's basic chakra control. This is like saying "How does Sasuke walk on water?" he uses exceptional chakra control.

Susanoo itself was forming seals and if it was a rennigan only tech Madara wouldn't use susanoo along with it

 

[DrProof]

No, he isnt asking how it is possible, he is asking what is the purpose of it doing hand signs if they are meaningless.

The handseals were obviously not "meaningless" as it was basically like Madara performing handseals. They would have the same effects, no doubt Kishimoto just wanted to show how badass Madara's ability of Chakra Control, and Destruction was. Hence why Tengai Shinsei was shown.

The handseals were needed in order to call forth the meteorites from the heavens.

Susanoo itself was forming seals and if it was a rennigan only tech Madara wouldn't use susanoo along with it

Madara had already summoned Susano'o before even trying to use Tengai Shinsei.. He was battling with Susano'o plus why deactivate the "perfect" defense when you have an infinite amount of chakra? What sense does that make?

 

[From the Dark Spire]

I completely agree with you dr. Infact it really is a rinnegan technique, because Edo Nagato used the same technique against naruto when naruto and bee fought him. It was when Nagato was completely being controlled and he pulled naruto towards him with bansho ten'in and then he threw a boulder at him via telekinesis. I guess it was a minor version of it.

 

[Waltz]

You have not actually proven it is an Rinnegan technique but simply made a deduction based on the word "Heavenly", it is an erroneous deduction as not only have you disregarded the Handseals made by susano'o [

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] being Tatsu, the Dragon seal and Tairitsu no In which represents half of a seal that can be used to activate a ninjutsu but also generalized a single word instead of factually proving it was a Rinnegan Jutsu. The technique itself cannot be used outside of susano'o as not only was Nagato a rinnegan user unable to perform the technique but Madara had to activate His susano'o and cast these seals for the Meteorites to actually appear. There is also other canonical evidence pointing towards it being a technique Madara wielded prior to activating the rinnegan being:

-> Shikaku having no knowledge that madara possessed the rinnegan immediately and without second thought, attributed the "Doton like" technique as Madara's jutsu only implying that He has conducted research/come across such a jutsu that may have been used in the past by madara. His credibility is one of the best in the series [

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-> Madara's recollection that the sight of his two meteors as "A view he hasn't enjoyed in a long time" implying that he has used the jutsu prior to Awakening the Rinengan as we have been told exactly what events occurred after the doujutsu's birth in his old age [

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A Similar misconception was made when majority held the belief that Perfect Susano'o was a Rinnegan based technique due to it being prominent at the point of activation. The evidence is clearly against your theory. Following up on events when Madara used the jutsu:

-> He activated the Rinnegan to absorb naruto Rasen-Shuriken
-> He activated Susano'o
-> Weaved handseals along with Susano'o

Then the appearance of the two meteorites occurred.

 

[DrProof]

I completely agree with you dr. Infact it really is a rinnegan technique, because Edo Nagato used the same technique against naruto when naruto and bee fought him. It was when Nagato was completely being controlled and he pulled naruto towards him with bansho ten'in and then he threw a boulder at him via telekinesis. I guess it was a minor version of it.

Most likely Edo Nagato did theoritically perform the same technique, on a lower scale. But I can't say for sure as you haven't provided a scan. Tengai Shinsei is a Rinnegan based technique at the end of the day, how can this be refuted?

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

You have not actually proven it is an Rinnegan technique but simply made a deduction based on the word "Heavenly", it is an erroneous deduction as not only have you disregarded the Handseals made by susano'o [

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] being Tatsu, the Dragon seal and Tairitsu no In which represents half of a seal that can be used to activate a ninjutsu. The technique itself cannot be used outside of susano'o as not only was Nagato a rinnegan user unable to perform the technique but Madara had to activate His susano'o and cast these seals for the Meteorites to actually appear. There is also other canonical evidence pointing towards it being a technique Madara wielded prior to activating the rinnegan being:

-> Shikaku having no knowledge that madara possessed the rinnegan immediately and without second thought, attributed the "Doton like" technique as Madara's jutsu only implying that He has conducted research/come across such a jutsu that may have been used in the past by madara. His credibility is one of the best in the series [

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-> Madara's recollection that the sight of his two meteors as "A view he hasn't enjoyed in a long time" implying that he has used the jutsu prior to Awakening the Rinengan as we have been told exactly what events occurred after the doujutsu's birth in his old age [

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]

A Similar misconception was made when majority held the belief that Perfect Susano'o was a Rinnegan based technique due to it being prominent at the point of activation. The evidence is clearly against your theory. Following up on events when Madara used the jutsu:

-> He activated the Rinnegan to absorb naruto Rasen-Shuriken
-> He activated Susano'o
-> Weaved handseals along with Susano'o

Then the appearance of the two meteorites occurred.

He was implying to the battlefield

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Most likely Edo Nagato did theoritically perform the same technique, on a lower scale. But I can't say for sure as you haven't provided a scan. Tengai Shinsei is a Rinnegan based technique at the end of the day, how can this be refuted?

He performed universal pull and Madara used a different jutsu

 

[DrProof]

You have not actually proven it is an Rinnegan technique but simply made a deduction based on the word "Heavenly", it is an erroneous deduction as not only have you disregarded the Handseals made by susano'o [

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] being Tatsu, the Dragon seal and Tairitsu no In which represents half of a seal that can be used to activate a ninjutsu but also generalized a single word instead of factually proving it was a Rinnegan Jutsu. The technique itself cannot be used outside of susano'o as not only was Nagato a rinnegan user unable to perform the technique but Madara had to activate His susano'o and cast these seals for the Meteorites to actually appear. There is also other canonical evidence pointing towards it being a technique Madara wielded prior to activating the rinnegan being:

-> Shikaku having no knowledge that madara possessed the rinnegan immediately and without second thought, attributed the "Doton like" technique as Madara's jutsu only implying that He has conducted research/come across such a jutsu that may have been used in the past by madara. His credibility is one of the best in the series [

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]

-> Madara's recollection that the sight of his two meteors as "A view he hasn't enjoyed in a long time" implying that he has used the jutsu prior to Awakening the Rinengan as we have been told exactly what events occurred after the doujutsu's birth in his old age [

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]

A Similar misconception was made when majority held the belief that Perfect Susano'o was a Rinnegan based technique due to it being prominent at the point of activation. The evidence is clearly against your theory. Following up on events when Madara used the jutsu:

-> He activated the Rinnegan to absorb naruto Rasen-Shuriken
-> He activated Susano'o
-> Weaved handseals along with Susano'o

Then the appearance of the two meteorites occurred.

Shikaku simply deduced that it was Madara's technique because of the scale of the power of the tech. Madara being known as a God like shinobi like Hashirama that deduction was common sense. Also it does not imply that Shikaku researched the technique, only that the destructive power of the jutsu came from someone of Madara's power levels

Another misconception you've made is that Madara was referring to the view he hasn't seen for a long time is a reference to the scalar power of the jutsu, not necessarily the recollection of using the tech before. The referrence of Madara's "the view he hadn't seen for a long time" concerns his fight with hashi, not necessarily using the meteor tech before.

Also I'm going to need scans of the sequence you've posted at the bottom.

 

[Waltz]

He was implying to the battlefield

Battle field? Take a look and tell me what you see him staring at:

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[AARB]

i agree. it is solely a rinnegan ability.

 

[nakumaru]

One big problem.

The Jutsu was never given a name in the Manga. It gained the name "Heaven concealed" from the Video Game, Naruto: Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 3. Therefore, your basing your theory on non-canon connections.

But I agree that it's a Rinnegan Jutsu, but your reasoning is faulty.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Here is the tech on the wikia

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[DrProof]

i agree. it is solely a rinnegan ability.

Indeed it is.

 

[nakumaru]

Here is the tech on the wikia

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Look in the trivia section of that page.