4 reasons hashirama couldn't have been under a genjutsu .

[moyo]

genjutsu is a technique that attacks the chakara in ones brain and affects their senses .

1) hashirama was still in sage mode when madara's Mangekyō is shown ,

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sage mode is a blend between ones chakara and natural energy, in the page where hashiram stabs madara he's lost his sage mode that means there would have been disruption or change in his chakara when he lost sage mode one of the ways to break out of a genjutsu is to disturb your chakara.
2)hashirama is a sensor type , he was able to sense orochimaru was using his cells even without sage mode , sage mode also increases one's sensory skills . one of the ways to confirm if one is under genjutsu is to check if one's chakara is disturbed hashirama being in sage mode and being a sensor would have noticed a change in his chakara.
3) most elite shinobi notice almost immediatly when they are under a genjutsu

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it would be lame if the god of shinobi fought for an entire day without noticing he was under genjutsu.

4) even uchihas can't maintain the Sharingan for a prolonged fight due to its exhaustion of chakara.

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itachi says he needs to rest afrter using Amaterasu & Tsukuyomi

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sasuke couldn't maintain his Sharingan till the end of his fight with itachi,also in his fight with diedara he couldn't maintain it till the end.

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madara said he is the only one who could see through hashiramas wood clone with his eye technique .

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which means without his eyes he couldn't see through that technique . in madaras battle with hashirama he would need a lot of chakara to summon n control the nine tails

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he used susano

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if there is one advantage hashirama had over madara it was his large amount of chakara

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this is madara after fighting for a whole day without summoning the nine tails which means he used just ems alone . if hashirama knew he could fool madara with his wood clone without the sharingan he could have waited till madara was exhausted till he used the wood clone

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[Fusion Reborn]

Mind putting Spoilers? Other than that, Nice thread.

 

[Narutohokage7]

People where saying he was placed in a genjutsu just before they charged at each other not for the whole fight I thought.

 

[Lightbringer]

Every MS ability we've seen is unique, this could have been Madara's unique ability.

Hashirama isn't a sensor, he only sensed his own cells

When Itachi casts genjutsu, his opponents don't even know they're in a genjutsu...like with Sasuke, Kabuto, and Naruto and Kabuto was in Sage Mode

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Every MS ability we've seen is unique, this could have been Madara's unique ability.

Hashirama isn't a sensor, he only sensed his own cells

When Itachi casts genjutsu, his opponents don't even know they're in a genjutsu...like with Sasuke, Kabuto, and Naruto and Kabuto was in Sage Mode

@bold: Madara's Unique ability seems to be perfect susanoo.GREAT evidence suggests that. Hashirama is a sensor. i believe he read orochimaru's mind at one point aswell or atleast his intentions.

Sasuke also knew itachi put him in genjutsu. thats why the had a genjutsu stand off to see if genjutsu would even be effective in this fight. its very possible madara did not even bother to use genjutsu because he knew his opponent was hashirama.

 

[Shadowslayer]

Every MS ability we've seen is unique, this could have been Madara's unique ability.

Hashirama isn't a sensor, he only sensed his own cells

When Itachi casts genjutsu, his opponents don't even know they're in a genjutsu...like with Sasuke, Kabuto, and Naruto and Kabuto was in Sage Mode

Except the only problem with that is Hashirama has faced Madara with the Eternal Mangekyō before and when Madara just had the regular Mangekyō. So one can assume that he had a way to counter that, or else I don't believe he would have beaten Madara so many times.

 

[moyo]

Every MS ability we've seen is unique, this could have been Madara's unique ability.

Hashirama isn't a sensor, he only sensed his own cells

When Itachi casts genjutsu, his opponents don't even know they're in a genjutsu...like with Sasuke, Kabuto, and Naruto and Kabuto was in Sage Mode

sage mode gives you sensing abilities . a genjutsu without opponents noticing its possible sasuke did the same thing to danzo that's why i said almost all elite shinobi notice not all.

 

[Jordanofthecloud]

But what about Izanagi???

I dont think Hashirama knows about that technique.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yes, good points, though you make some flaws but overall I agree that it wasn't a regular genjutsu. I think it was Izanagi. That only requires eye sacrifice.

 

[moyo]

But what about Izanagi???

I dont think Hashirama knows about that technique.

i don't think madara used izanagi because he confirms the reason he survives is by applying hashirams cells to his wounds.

 

[Lightbringer]

@bold: Madara's Unique ability seems to be perfect susanoo.GREAT evidence suggests that. Hashirama is a sensor. i believe he read orochimaru's mind at one point aswell or atleast his intentions.

Sasuke also knew itachi put him in genjutsu. thats why the had a genjutsu stand off to see if genjutsu would even be effective in this fight. its very possible madara did not even bother to use genjutsu because he knew his opponent was hashirama.

Perfect Susanoo is only a stabilized complete Susanoo....its not a unique tech.

Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke have complete susanoo, but only Itachi and Sasuke haven't learned how to stabilize it.....it didn't evolve the same way it did from its other forms.....in all it's other forms, it's chakra was flowing out like fire meaning it wasn't stabilized

Madara's regular susanoo had legs and it's chakra wasn't flowing out anymore like it did before it got legs....yet it's still the same form

Here's Madara's base susanoo without legs....and you can see the chakra fire around it

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and here's that same form with legs, and notice how it doesn't produce that fire aura....that's what stabilizing the susanoo does

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What great evidence was given to Hashirama being a sensor? Orochimaru put his fingers up, meaning he was about to defend himself, that's not sensing anything.

When Orochimaru said Madara was resurrected, it only showed Tobirama and Minato sensing chakra on the battlefield.

Sasuke did not know it was an Illusion until he broke out of it.....when he had his eye taken by Itachi he thought it was real.....he managed to break out only because the Chakra from the curse mark activated and disrupted the flow

 

[Megaprince]

Nice thread

 

[moyo]

Perfect Susanoo is only a stabilized complete Susanoo....its not a unique tech.

Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke have complete susanoo, but only Itachi and Sasuke haven't learned how to stabilize it.....it didn't evolve the same way it did from its other forms.....in all it's other forms, it's chakra was flowing out like fire meaning it wasn't stabilized

Madara's regular susanoo had legs and it's chakra wasn't flowing out anymore like it did before it got legs....yet it's still the same form

Here's Madara's base susanoo without legs....and you can see the chakra fire around it

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and here's that same form with legs, and notice how it doesn't produce that fire aura....that's what stabilizing the susanoo does

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What great evidence was given to Hashirama being a sensor? Orochimaru put his fingers up, meaning he was about to defend himself, that's not sensing anything.

When Orochimaru said Madara was resurrected, it only showed Tobirama and Minato sensing chakra on the battlefield.

Sasuke did not know it was an Illusion until he broke out of it.....when he had his eye taken by Itachi he thought it was real.....he managed to break out only because the Chakra from the curse mark activated and disrupted the flow

sage mode gives one sensory abilities

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naruto was able to sense the juubi's chakara because of sage mode.

even kabuto became a sensor.

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[Lightbringer]

sage mode gives one sensory abilities

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naruto was able to sense the juubi's chakara because of sage mode.

even kabuto became a sensor.

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ok well you got me on that, but that doesn't mean they can sense through genjutsu.....Kabuto wasn't able to sense through it even though he had sage mode

and considering it's Madara, I'd assume that his genjutsu is on another level seeing as though he was able to defeat the Raikage with it, and the Raikage stated he was immune to the sharingan before

 

[Sage6paths]

Hashirama should be genjutsued by Madara. And I believe its a weak one like the one Sasuke used on Danzo to fool him thinking he's still got one Sharingan opened on his hands.

Who knows? Madara could even used Tsukuyomi and still didnt turn blind as he's got the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan.

 

[moyo]

ok well you got me on that, but that doesn't mean they can sense through genjutsu.....Kabuto wasn't able to sense through it even though he had sage mode

and considering it's Madara, I'd assume that his genjutsu is on another level seeing as though he was able to defeat the Raikage with it, and the Raikage stated he was immune to the sharingan before

itachi used Izanami on kabuto that kind of genjutsu requires great sacrifice kabuto was aware he was under a genjustu but could not break out of it because he did not accept his fate . madara couldn't have used izanagi towards the end of the fight because he would need lots of chakara to perform it , people like obito was able to use it for long because he possessed senju dna & danzo was able to spam it with senju dna.

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

It was not genjutsu...Thats suggesting he knew he would lose the fight so prepared a genjutsu to look like he lost. but if thats the case, how did he put the Senju DNA in a wound he faked with genjutsu??...Hashirama would have known he was in genjutsu. Hashirama is also a great genjutsu user. Bringer of darkness is A rank i believe and His pollen flower genjutsu is most like S rank. His genjutsu prowess is very high.

 

[Almighty Ra]

Every MS ability we've seen is unique, this could have been Madara's unique ability.

Hashirama isn't a sensor, he only sensed his own cells

When Itachi casts genjutsu, his opponents don't even know they're in a genjutsu...like with Sasuke, Kabuto, and Naruto and Kabuto was in Sage Mode

Hate to correct u but ur wrong on Hashirama

As the leader of the Senju clan, Hashirama held proficiency in a wide cross-section of shinobi skills, and possessed at least an understanding of those he did not. He was well-versed in genjutsu and could perform powerful illusions such as the Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, which locked the target in perpetual darkness for the duration of the technique.[57] In the anime, he displayed aptitude in the art of fūinjutsu, using the Contract Seal to break Madara's control over Kurama.[52] Hashirama could also use Summoning: Quintuple Rashōmon, which brings out five Rashōmon that can protect him from nearly any attack.[58] He was also a sensor type, though not as good as Tobirama.[59] He also had high skill in taijutsu since childhood, with Madara noting that they were roughly equal in this area.[60] He also showed great tactical skill and deceptive abilities, waiting until Madara became so exhausted that he couldn't maintain his Sharingan to create a wood clone for Madara to strike down so he could attack from behind without his opponent even realising it.[61]

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Jus in case u think it's BS..I've been saying this since the manga chapter came out but everyone wants to believe and theorize he was under a Genjutsu..Hate to burst the bubble...Pop

 

[Lightbringer]

itachi used Izanami on kabuto that kind of genjutsu requires great sacrifice kabuto was aware he was under a genjustu but could not break out of it because he did not accept his fate . madara couldn't have used izanagi towards the end of the fight because he would need lots of chakara to perform it , people like obito was able to use it for long because he possessed senju dna & danzo was able to spam it with senju dna.

Kabuto wasn't aware until he noticed his horn grow back, before that he thought it was all real

Also that panel where you see Madara's EMS, was hours before he got killed

 

[Lightbringer]

Hate to correct u but ur wrong on Hashirama

As the leader of the Senju clan, Hashirama held proficiency in a wide cross-section of shinobi skills, and possessed at least an understanding of those he did not. He was well-versed in genjutsu and could perform powerful illusions such as the Bringer-of-Darkness Technique, which locked the target in perpetual darkness for the duration of the technique.[57] In the anime, he displayed aptitude in the art of fūinjutsu, using the Contract Seal to break Madara's control over Kurama.[52] Hashirama could also use Summoning: Quintuple Rashōmon, which brings out five Rashōmon that can protect him from nearly any attack.[58] He was also a sensor type, though not as good as Tobirama.[59] He also had high skill in taijutsu since childhood, with Madara noting that they were roughly equal in this area.[60] He also showed great tactical skill and deceptive abilities, waiting until Madara became so exhausted that he couldn't maintain his Sharingan to create a wood clone for Madara to strike down so he could attack from behind without his opponent even realising it.[61]

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Jus in case u think it's BS..I've been saying this since the manga chapter came out but everyone wants to believe and theorize he was under a Genjutsu..Hate to burst the bubble...Pop

Then what was the purpose of that panel with Madara's EMS zoomed in? Why did Madara smile when he got stabbed?

How did Hashirama not notice Madara still being alive?

Why was the sword missing from Madara when he laid on the ground? He falls with the sword pierced through him, and then it magically disappears in the next panel just when Hashirama passes out

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Madara was well aware of Hashirama's Mokuton Clones, so why was he not more careful near the end?

I never said I believed it was a genjutsu, I'm just showing you evidence that it's still a possibility and shouldn't be denied just like that.