Madara was stronger than Hashirama after all.

[KingHashirama]

Hashirama was caught in a genjutsu when he stabbed Madara. Notice the little diamond mark. Derp Obito made a great theory about it, but Hashirama is still superiour.

Key word in your post is 'theory'

Theories aren't facts.

 

[Champ]

it doesnt matter how you put it in, All that matter is the 1000 hands buddha tanked 10 or so TBB PS susano'o slashes and also defeated Perfect Susano'o and then grabbing the kyuubi like a large rat.

That's nice

 

[Bogard]

The damage control is strong in this one. Obviously Uchiha fanboys would agree with this. They are only good at this(bandwagoning)

 

[KidGamer65]

Ofcourse Perfect Susano'o sword will slice right thru it. the Mountain cutter in the Biju dama was so Hashirama couldn't catch, the damage came from the Biju damas blast.

Susano'o seemed to move pretty fast here, first he smacks the Kages down then it jump on a rock.

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That just makes Madara's case worse here. The explosive power of the Bijuu Dama is what did that damage to Shinsuusenju and without the Kyuubi Madara has no chance of replicating the same amount of damage.

That's a V2 Susanoo not Perfect Susanoo. You can't give its feats to the latter.

 

[Champ]

That just makes Madara's case worse here. The explosive power of the Bijuu Dama is what did that damage to Shinsuusenju and without the Kyuubi Madara has no chance of replicating the same amount of damage.

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That's a V2 Susanoo not Perfect Susanoo. You can't give its feats to the latter.

Wtf is this if Imperfect Susano'o can jump then ofcourse Perfect Susano'o can that's stupid to think it can't, when it has legs just like the Imperfect one. The Biju dama didn't even scratch Madara's complete Susano'o, but it destroyed Shinsuusenju obviously because it's wood which can be cut down. One swing of Perfect Susano'o sword slice clean thru six mountains, no way Shinsuusenju not getting sliced to bits. That link is a pic of Sasuke, what purpose is it to show me?

 

[KidGamer65]

Wtf is this if Imperfect Susano'o can jump then ofcourse Perfect Susano'o can that's stupid to think it can't, when it has legs just like the Imperfect one. The Biju dama didn't even scratch Madara's complete Susano'o, but it destroyed Shinsuusenju obviously because it's wood which can be cut down. One swing of Perfect Susano'o sword slice clean thru six mountains, no way Shinsuusenju not getting sliced to bits. That link is a pic of Sasuke, what purpose is it to show me?

No, its stupid to give PS feats of another Susanoo, Susanoo's mobility decreases as it evolves and increases in size. Not to mention the Susanoo in the scan you posted doesn't even have legs. Madara simply jumped up and spawned it while he was in the air.

Obviously Shinsuusenju's durability far surpasses the durability of a mountain so saying it gets cut to bits just because Madara's sword can cut a mountain is a bad comparison.

@bold: Madara's PS tanked 1 Bijuu Dama with no scratch. 12 Bijuu Dama combined with PS Sword Slashes destroyed Shinsuusenju's hands. Calling it wood that can be cut down is a massive understatement.

PS's Sword Slash isn't doing what a sword slash+a Bijuu Dama couldn't do. Don't try and say the power wasn't increased because when the ball with the swords inside of it hit its target, naturally there is going to be a cutting effect as it is a sword. Then the explosion occurs dealing more damage.

I accidentally put that link there, ignore it.

 

[Flawž]

i fear for these butthurt uchiha's.

 

[BISHOPALONE]

The damned coward madara had to borrow the kyuubi in other to fight hashirama. That makes madara stronger than hashirama. Great logic to mad fans

 

[Draphsin]

No, its stupid to give PS feats of another Susanoo, Susanoo's mobility decreases as it evolves and increases in size. Not to mention the Susanoo in the scan you posted doesn't even have legs. Madara simply jumped up and spawned it while he was in the air.

Obviously Shinsuusenju's durability far surpasses the durability of a mountain so saying it gets cut to bits just because Madara's sword can cut a mountain is a bad comparison.

@bold: Madara's PS tanked 1 Bijuu Dama with no scratch. 12 Bijuu Dama combined with PS Sword Slashes destroyed Shinsuusenju's hands. Calling it wood that can be cut down is a massive understatement.

PS's Sword Slash isn't doing what a sword slash+a Bijuu Dama couldn't do. Don't try and say the power wasn't increased because when the ball with the swords inside of it hit its target, naturally there is going to be a cutting effect as it is a sword. Then the explosion occurs dealing more damage.

I accidentally put that link there, ignore it.

You have no proof of the bold.

Susanoo is chakra...Since when did chakra limit mobility depending on its size? By that logic then kurama should be slow as balls....

The damned coward madara had to borrow the kyuubi in other to fight hashirama. That makes madara stronger than hashirama. Great logic to mad fans

LOL poor haters still clinging to that petty excuse....Kurama is EMS madara's tool, butthurt???

 

[Flawž]

You have no proof of the bold.

Susanoo is chakra...Since when did chakra limit mobility depending on its size? By that logic then kurama should be slow as balls....



LOL poor haters still clinging to that petty excuse....Kurama is EMS madara's tool, butthurt???

What are you trying to get at? Madara > hashirama?

 

[Draphsin]

What are you trying to get at? Madara > hashirama?

No im saying that Madara =< Hashi

They are nearly equal in terms of power, with hashi having the advantage. However haters keep saying that "without kurama madara would get stomped" which is a laughable excuse

 

[Flawž]

No im saying that Madara =< Hashi

They are nearly equal in terms of power, with hashi having the advantage. However haters keep saying that "without kurama madara would get stomped" which is a laughable excuse

Well [Me being Non-biased],

The kyuubi is Madara's power but you gotta give credit to hashirama, He used all his skills/moves and still beat Madara with the kyuubi.

No doubt they are nearly equal, But by the looks of it, Hashirama will always win.

Edo Madara does not count as Kabuto modified him to be stronger then he already is.

 

[Stark]

Rage on my fanboys, rage on.

 

[Draphsin]

Well [Me being Non-biased],

The kyuubi is Madara's power but you gotta give credit to hashirama, He used all his skills/moves and still beat Madara with the kyuubi.

No doubt they are nearly equal, But by the looks of it, Hashirama will always win.

Edo Madara does not count as Kabuto modified him to be stronger then he already is.

1. I agree, hashi clearly has the upper hand in battle

2. But you gotta give credit where credit is due. If there was a ranking of strongest characters then edo madara would still remain #1. But by default i dont count edos unless they're mentioned in a thread anyways.

 

[Stark]

1. Him using Genjutsu is a theory made by you fans, NOT CANON or a FACT
2. Madara got his ass whipped.


ur high as hell

Perfection Susano'o = Mountain Size

Buddha makes mountains look like toys.

Juubi makes Buddha look like a toy, guess who is currently controlling the Juubi? Oh mkay.

 

[BISHOPALONE]

Madara knew that Hashirama is clearly stronger than him, that was why he decided to come with the kyuubi and was at advantage yet he still lost the fight. The susano couldnt withstand the 5 kages for long and also Gai's daytime tiger and you fanboys think it can take on 1000arms.....
FACT: HASHIRAMA DEFEATED EMS MADARA + KYUUBI

 

[Draphsin]

Madara knew that Hashirama is clearly stronger than him, that was why he decided to come with the kyuubi and was at advantage yet he still lost the fight. The susano couldnt withstand the 5 kages for long and also Gai's daytime tiger and you fanboys think it can take on 1000arms.....
FACT: HASHIRAMA DEFEATED EMS MADARA + KYUUBI

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Madara + Kurama = EMS Madara

#dealwithit

 

[~Uzumaki~]

so you basically just said madara>hashirama with no proof and you only stated this due to fanboyism? ok then.

This says it all U_U

 

[johnny335704]

IMO -
Madara was never stronger than Hashirama. Madara knows this from the experience with previous fights between them.
Thats why Madara trained hie EMS eyes more and took control over Kurama and used it for assistance in final VOTE battle against Hashirama. But Hashirama has also improved himself in the mean time.
So in the final battle, Hashirama still defeated him with narrow margin (no matter whether Madara used genjutsu or survived later with Hashirama DNA or by some other means)
But overall, Hashirama is powerful than EMS Madara + Kurama. (No Edos Counted).

 

[KidGamer65]

Juubi makes Buddha look like a toy, guess who is currently controlling the Juubi? Oh mkay.

Obito AND Madara.