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Why would Madara and Hashirama go through all the trouble of accomplishing there dream only for Madara to turn around and attempt to destroy his dream? This is an interesting thought and its going to take a while to get my complete thought process across, so grab a drink, get some chips, sit back and enjoy the ride.
Madara's Resolve, Madara's Forsight, Madara's Understanding
Madara's Sacrifice, Madara's Plan
The Ultimate Deception, Madara's Plan Fulfilled, But the fighting Never ends
Conclusion
Questions you may or already have asked
Yes it is true. But we only think that because Itachi has said it. But there is also something else Itachi has said that was later on proven to be untrue.
Here we find out that there are some secrets to the Sharingan that Tobi has kept from Itachi, One of which is that Amaterasu can infact be put out. Another could infact be that the negative effects of Izangi/Izanami may be reversible. On top of that we know that Madara had more than 1 brother, if the other brothers eyes were preserved then they too, like Izuna's eyes, would be good candidates for transferring and maintaining his EMS. There are many ways to work around this perceived road block my friend
, although the easiest it simply to scream [PLOT NO JUTSU], and then walk away.
Another Good response would be Derps "We don't know if an EMS goes blind when Izanami is used, MS was was the only one shown so far that goes blind when using it. Not to mention Madara had the Deus ex Machina of Narutoverse: Senju DNA", going with this the EMS is supposebly all about never losing its light, hence the Eternal in its name. So I can believe that an EMS would not lose its light after using Izanami. Which fits with the lore, I mean if it is true that Izanami was created from Uchiha spamming the use of Izangi so much so that in battles there Izangi's were fighting each other for control of the outcome, then wouldnt that leave them with ALOT of blind Uchiha? And yet this doesnt seem to be the case. This leads me to believe that either EMS dont lose there light, as stated in the manga, or there are ways to bring back an eye which has been lost by using Izangi/Izanami.
I hope you enjoyed reading this as much as I enjoyed writing it!!!
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himself, the man was a genius for thinking that Madara put Hashirama under a genjutsu and after humoring the thought it lead to a break through of my own.
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Why would Madara and Hashirama go through all the trouble of accomplishing there dream only for Madara to turn around and attempt to destroy his dream? This is an interesting thought and its going to take a while to get my complete thought process across, so grab a drink, get some chips, sit back and enjoy the ride.
Madara's Resolve, Madara's Forsight, Madara's Understanding
Now to begin let us dive into the sequence of events that starts this change in Madara's perception, and one thing you should know is when he says "I have seen your Guts"
Spoiler withing a spoiler.. SPOILCEPTION!!
After Madara realizes that Hashirama is truly commited to the betterment of both of there clans he decides to put his trust in him.
Madara began to realize that Konoha was far more important than anything else, they had finally created there dream and after time his friendship with hashirama rekindled. But Madara was still ever vigilant, and he came to a realization.
Madara much like Tobirama knew how dangerous the Uchiha clan was. Not to mention the fact that Tobirama made them the police force that created a division between them and the villagers of Konoha. The Uchiha began thinking highly of themselves and the villagers became resentfull.
He knew that eventually problems would occur and urged his fellow Uchiha to leave the village, but they wouldnt listen and thus their fate was sealed. Something would have to be done about them because if left alone they would either lead a Coup De'tat and take over the village or they would be exterminated, But he also realized something else:
Hashirama was still too weak, he had the guts to kill himself in order to protect the villagers but he still didnt have the guts to possible hurt people dear to him in order to protect the village...
Tobirama may have the resolve to handle a Coup De'tat if he ever became hokage but if the Uchiha struck before that, if they attacked while Hashirama was hokage, things may turn our badly for Konoha.
Spoiler withing a spoiler.. SPOILCEPTION!!
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After Madara realizes that Hashirama is truly commited to the betterment of both of there clans he decides to put his trust in him.
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Madara began to realize that Konoha was far more important than anything else, they had finally created there dream and after time his friendship with hashirama rekindled. But Madara was still ever vigilant, and he came to a realization.
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Madara much like Tobirama knew how dangerous the Uchiha clan was. Not to mention the fact that Tobirama made them the police force that created a division between them and the villagers of Konoha. The Uchiha began thinking highly of themselves and the villagers became resentfull.
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He knew that eventually problems would occur and urged his fellow Uchiha to leave the village, but they wouldnt listen and thus their fate was sealed. Something would have to be done about them because if left alone they would either lead a Coup De'tat and take over the village or they would be exterminated, But he also realized something else:
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Hashirama was still too weak, he had the guts to kill himself in order to protect the villagers but he still didnt have the guts to possible hurt people dear to him in order to protect the village...
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Tobirama may have the resolve to handle a Coup De'tat if he ever became hokage but if the Uchiha struck before that, if they attacked while Hashirama was hokage, things may turn our badly for Konoha.
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Madara's Sacrifice, Madara's Plan
Madara knew that Hashirama would be too weak to do what needed to be done in order protect the village, he was blinded by his so called "Ninja Way", and that same ninja way would mean the destruction of there dream. Something had to be done, but how, how could he cure hashirama of his arrogance... And so Madara formed a plan, one which involved him having to play the villian.
If Hashirama could just find the resolve the kill him in battle as the enemy then he should have no problem dealing with the other Uchiha if the time ever came. Perhaps even put in place safeguards to watch over them. And so he attacked:
But there was only one problem, throughout all there battles even though Hashirama always won he never finished off Madara. He didnt have the resolve, and so Madara thought of another way, a way he could show Hashirama the errors of his ways, a way that he could litterally Show Hashirama that he would have to be willing to hurt the ones he cared about in order to protect the village... Izanami
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Izanami Activated!!!
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If Hashirama could just find the resolve the kill him in battle as the enemy then he should have no problem dealing with the other Uchiha if the time ever came. Perhaps even put in place safeguards to watch over them. And so he attacked:
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But there was only one problem, throughout all there battles even though Hashirama always won he never finished off Madara. He didnt have the resolve, and so Madara thought of another way, a way he could show Hashirama the errors of his ways, a way that he could litterally Show Hashirama that he would have to be willing to hurt the ones he cared about in order to protect the village... Izanami
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Here are a some other evidences of izanami being activated:
Pay attention to what both ninja under the illusion of Izanami say!!
They are both under the assumption that they can both predict there enemies movements, why is that? Because there enemies already made those movements, and the only thing to stop the loop of Izanami is for he ending to change, rather than him letting Madara survive, he must Kill Madara!
Another thing is that during the fights within Izanami the genjutsu caster attempts to help the enemy achieve the end goal by provoking him to get there. In Kabuto's Case Itachi tries to get him to accept himself, while in Hashirama's case Madara tries to get him to realize that the only way to stop the fighting is to kill Madara!
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One more point of contrast. Madara clearly stated in his fight between the 5 kages that he was one of the only people who could see threw Hashirama's Wood Clone with his eye technique (Sharingan). And yet in the end at his final hour he is defeated by the same eye technique? That doesnt sound right, unless it was a genjutsu, Hashirama was allowed to kill him in order to fulfill the condition of Izanami, afterwhich the genjutsu was ended.
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*Some people may think that since at the end his Sharingan isnt activated then maybe he just didnt have it activated at that time. But why wouldnt he have, we already know that the Sharingan does not drain chakra from Uchiha unless they are using the MS, so why would he not have it activated? But even with that directly prior to the final blow we see Madara activating his MS and after activating it his eyes are on hashirama up until the final blow so there is no place for Hashirama to have used the wood clone with out Madara knowing, if it was prior to Madara using his MS then he would have known it was a clone and if it was after that then Madara would have seen him weaving signs or running and hiding or something*
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They are both under the assumption that they can both predict there enemies movements, why is that? Because there enemies already made those movements, and the only thing to stop the loop of Izanami is for he ending to change, rather than him letting Madara survive, he must Kill Madara!
Another thing is that during the fights within Izanami the genjutsu caster attempts to help the enemy achieve the end goal by provoking him to get there. In Kabuto's Case Itachi tries to get him to accept himself, while in Hashirama's case Madara tries to get him to realize that the only way to stop the fighting is to kill Madara!
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One more point of contrast. Madara clearly stated in his fight between the 5 kages that he was one of the only people who could see threw Hashirama's Wood Clone with his eye technique (Sharingan). And yet in the end at his final hour he is defeated by the same eye technique? That doesnt sound right, unless it was a genjutsu, Hashirama was allowed to kill him in order to fulfill the condition of Izanami, afterwhich the genjutsu was ended.
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*Some people may think that since at the end his Sharingan isnt activated then maybe he just didnt have it activated at that time. But why wouldnt he have, we already know that the Sharingan does not drain chakra from Uchiha unless they are using the MS, so why would he not have it activated? But even with that directly prior to the final blow we see Madara activating his MS and after activating it his eyes are on hashirama up until the final blow so there is no place for Hashirama to have used the wood clone with out Madara knowing, if it was prior to Madara using his MS then he would have known it was a clone and if it was after that then Madara would have seen him weaving signs or running and hiding or something*
The Ultimate Deception, Madara's Plan Fulfilled, But the fighting Never ends
With that Izanami was completed, Hashirama finally killed Madara as he planned and with that he grew a new resolve. And the story that Hashirama had killed Madara kept the Uchiha from doing anything stupid for a few decades.
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But pay close attention, As Hashirama stands over Madara's dying body and goes on this self righteous rant about how he would do anything to protect the village even if it means killing a friend, Madara smiles and says something very important, "You are mistaking the cause with the end[Effect]", as in cause and effect. What he is trying to say here is that hashirama thinks that the reason he had to kill Madara was to protect the village, but in reality the reason he is now able to protect the village is because he was finally able to kill Madara. And thus Hashirama had mistook the cause with the effect.
He goes on to say that "One day that will become darkness and envelop the village" What does this mean? He is talking about the Uchiha who have been and still are trying to take over Konoha, his words refer to the fact that his death will undoubely make things worst between the Uchiha and Konoha, and that Darkess it creates is going to have a dire effect on the village.
Later on Tobirama would rise to become Hokage and his no holds bar, take no prisoners attitude, not to mention the fact that he has an itchy finger on the trigger when it comes to killing off the Uchiha, would keep the Uchiha at bay for a few more decades.
But after Tobirama came the kind hearted Hiruzen, A man who's ideologies was the spitting image of Hashirama's prior to his fatefull battle with Madara. And with that came chaos, his heart kept him from seeing what was going on, and as the head of the village if he was weak then the village was weak as well, and the Uchiha saw a chance to strike.
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But wait, what did Madara, I mean Tobi, just say? He helped Itachi destroy the Uchiha on a whim because he felt like rekindling the old flames of war? No, He did it because the real Madara knew it was what was best for the village. It was the day of reckoning he had saw coming a long time ago. The time to chose between the Uchiha and Konoha, and at that moment both Madara and Itachi knew what had to be done...
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But pay close attention, As Hashirama stands over Madara's dying body and goes on this self righteous rant about how he would do anything to protect the village even if it means killing a friend, Madara smiles and says something very important, "You are mistaking the cause with the end[Effect]", as in cause and effect. What he is trying to say here is that hashirama thinks that the reason he had to kill Madara was to protect the village, but in reality the reason he is now able to protect the village is because he was finally able to kill Madara. And thus Hashirama had mistook the cause with the effect.
He goes on to say that "One day that will become darkness and envelop the village" What does this mean? He is talking about the Uchiha who have been and still are trying to take over Konoha, his words refer to the fact that his death will undoubely make things worst between the Uchiha and Konoha, and that Darkess it creates is going to have a dire effect on the village.
Later on Tobirama would rise to become Hokage and his no holds bar, take no prisoners attitude, not to mention the fact that he has an itchy finger on the trigger when it comes to killing off the Uchiha, would keep the Uchiha at bay for a few more decades.
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But after Tobirama came the kind hearted Hiruzen, A man who's ideologies was the spitting image of Hashirama's prior to his fatefull battle with Madara. And with that came chaos, his heart kept him from seeing what was going on, and as the head of the village if he was weak then the village was weak as well, and the Uchiha saw a chance to strike.
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But wait, what did Madara, I mean Tobi, just say? He helped Itachi destroy the Uchiha on a whim because he felt like rekindling the old flames of war? No, He did it because the real Madara knew it was what was best for the village. It was the day of reckoning he had saw coming a long time ago. The time to chose between the Uchiha and Konoha, and at that moment both Madara and Itachi knew what had to be done...
Conclusion
And so the plan went, Madara not only sacrificed himself but also his clan in order to save Konoha, his dream. But somewhere down the road he realized something else, with the rinnegan he was able to go back to konoha and read more of the tablet. He saw the truth of the moon and the gedo statue and began to formulate a plan. War was inevitable, it may take decades or centuries but eventually someone seeking power would rise up and start a war and at that time chaos would rise, something had to be done to protect the people. And so he formulated another plan, the Eye of the Moon plan. A plan that would bring peace to the world... forever.
Questions you may or already have asked
Yes it is true. But we only think that because Itachi has said it. But there is also something else Itachi has said that was later on proven to be untrue.
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Here we find out that there are some secrets to the Sharingan that Tobi has kept from Itachi, One of which is that Amaterasu can infact be put out. Another could infact be that the negative effects of Izangi/Izanami may be reversible. On top of that we know that Madara had more than 1 brother, if the other brothers eyes were preserved then they too, like Izuna's eyes, would be good candidates for transferring and maintaining his EMS. There are many ways to work around this perceived road block my friend
, although the easiest it simply to scream [PLOT NO JUTSU], and then walk away.Another Good response would be Derps "We don't know if an EMS goes blind when Izanami is used, MS was was the only one shown so far that goes blind when using it. Not to mention Madara had the Deus ex Machina of Narutoverse: Senju DNA", going with this the EMS is supposebly all about never losing its light, hence the Eternal in its name. So I can believe that an EMS would not lose its light after using Izanami. Which fits with the lore, I mean if it is true that Izanami was created from Uchiha spamming the use of Izangi so much so that in battles there Izangi's were fighting each other for control of the outcome, then wouldnt that leave them with ALOT of blind Uchiha? And yet this doesnt seem to be the case. This leads me to believe that either EMS dont lose there light, as stated in the manga, or there are ways to bring back an eye which has been lost by using Izangi/Izanami.
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