Madara was Killed by a Wood Bushin (Yang) and saved by Black Zetsu (Yin)

[MilwaukeegHost]

Wood Bushin = YANG Clone
Black Zetsu = YIN Clone
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Here, we see that Madara had the ability to form his Will into a PHYSICAL SHAPE, the root of Black Zetsu

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From this manga, we see that Hashirama sensed someone or something on top on the valley after "killing" Madara...

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We also see the same sinerio here, when Hashirama sensed Madara outside while talking with Tobirama...
(I say Madara b/c of the Leaf with a hole in it Hashirama found outside)

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This is why I believe someone (Black Zetsu) was there during the end of the fight to help save Madara. But how could someone have saved Madara after that fatal wound...? By implanting Hashirama's DNA into his wound.

How could someone obtain Hashirama's DNA? From the DNA that Madara himself claimed to have obtained during his final fight with Hashirama... Hashirama's Wood Clone. Here we see that Hashirama's Clone was still present in the water after the final stab:

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CONCLUSION: Madara himself said that the only reason he survived was because of Hashirama's DNA. This was the original reason for Madara challenging Hashirama to begin with... to obtain Hashirama DNA. WHY?
To obtain the RINNEGAN for the MOONS EYE PLAN.
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Eye technique theory debunked:


Madara used an eye technique (izanagi, tsukonami, etc) to make Hashirama falsely believe he died.

Madara's eye no longer held a Sharingan, EMS, etc during the last encounter. Some say he did this to make Hashirama think he couldn't, but the previous flashback obviously shows Madara getting up WITH A SWORD IN HIS CHEST. Also, Madara had the wound from the sword stab to this day, now with Senju DNA inside it. If this were some form of genjutsu, Madara would not have this sword stab wound in his chest when resurrected via Edo Tensei.

 

[DrProof]

Black Zetsu was created with Hashirama's DNA, and Madara's will. This theory is incorrect. Also Izanagi couldn't have been used:

Wrong, Izanagi makes the user vanish, and reappear a short range away:

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Madara is seen "dead" in multiple scans, and not vanishing:

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[Sasukenumberonelover]

Cool BR00 - Yin Yang FTW !

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Better than the trash thats been posted all day...i actually like it...good work sir...i disagree but its a good shot

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Madara was killed because of the Wood Clone.... then saved by its DNA... HOW IRONIC

 

[emo313]

THEORIST ARE every where

 

[Troyg39]

Hmm interesting theory but it has some question marks.

My only real question is in regard to Zetsu. Madara didn't make his will into physical shape when he placed it inside Zetsu. The Zetsu clone was already a physical being to begin with. Madara just simply filled half of the physical shell with his will. But I also remember from that same chapter that Madara explained to Obito that the black rods he had was indeed his "will made into physical shape". I'm assuming this is where you got that sentence although you applied to the wrong scenario.

Aside from this, we know that Zetsu was made from Hashi's cells to begin with. So unless Madara had Hashirama's cells before they fought, then I don't see any possible way a zetsu clone could've been there to help him.

I will give you this though, I missed the part where Hashi sensed someone on the cliff. So I think that's evidence enough that someone was there to help Madara

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Black Zetsu was created with Hashirama's DNA, and Madara's will. This theory is incorrect. Also Izanagi couldn't have been used:

Wrong, Izanagi makes the user vanish, and reappear a short range away:

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Madara is seen "dead" in multiple scans, and not vanishing:

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1. I also said Madara was NOT saved by an eye technique. Re-read the thread.
2. It is never proven that Hashirama's DNA was used to create Black Zetsu. YOU ASSUME this because Black Zetsu did not appear in the Manga until after he gave it to Obito to create the Zetsu of both halves. But the fact that Zetsu has both halves should be proof enough... the "White" Zetsu part was created by Hashirama's DNA and a Rinnegan was not needed to create his clone. Why do you assume that Madara needed Hashirama's DNA to create Black Zetsu, which is Madara's Will....?

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Hmm interesting theory but it has some question marks.

My only real question is in regard to Zetsu. Madara didn't make his will into physical shape when he placed it inside Zetsu. The Zetsu clone was already a physical being to begin with. Madara just simply filled half of the physical shell with his will. But I also remember from that same chapter that Madara explained to Obito that the black rods he had was indeed his "will made into physical shape". I'm assuming this is where you got that sentence although you applied to the wrong scenario.

Aside from this, we know that Zetsu was made from Hashi's cells to begin with. So unless Madara had Hashirama's cells before they fought, then I don't see any possible way a zetsu clone could've been there to help him.

I will give you this though, I missed the part where Hashi sensed someone on the cliff. So I think that's evidence enough that someone was there to help Madara

The only thing I said is that Madara had the ability to make his Will into physical shape. If not by Black Zetsu as proof, look at the physical black rod Madara put inside the Plant... it is described as his WILL in PHYSICAL form. Again, you assume Madara needed Hashirama's DNA to make a Yin Clone of himself for Black Zetsu... even though we know Hashirama did NOT need Madara's DNA to make a wood YANG clone of himself, which is the root of White Zetsu. #BOOM

 

[FireBird Marco]

Black Zetsu is a White Zetsu infused with Madara' chakra. You watch this and see what Black Zetsu really is:
[video=youtube;N7kIC_zpAto]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7kIC_zpAto&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

[Micho22]

Did you notice the similiarities madara used the same way to defeat tsunade with the wood clone
I expected more from him
Coming to the point black zetsu is infused with madaras chakra

 

[Lightning Release]

He was saved by his rinnegan somehow.. I'm sure shortly after Hashi left, his rinnegan activated.

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Black Zetsu is a White Zetsu infused with Madara' chakra. You watch this and see what Black Zetsu really is:
[video=youtube;N7kIC_zpAto]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7kIC_zpAto&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

No.

1). Black zetsu and white zetsu were two different people with TWO DIFFERENT MINDS. Madara obviously has the ability to make his Will into physical form from the manga I posted, and this is NOT referring to zetsu, but the black pole infused with Madara Will.

Black zetsu even had the ability to SEPERATE from white zetsu and still have his OWN body. Note, when Madara originally created the white/black zetsu fusion, he used a white zetsu that was missing HALF of his body. It was the zetsu originally created to form the other half of Obito body from the boulder accident. Yet that black half of zetsu had its own mind AND BODY, which could fight, pick up things, etc. it was not any part of white zetsu that created the body of black zetsu.

Again, Madara said himself he had the ability to make his WILL into physical form. This eventually became black zetsu.

 

[Troyg39]

The only thing I said is that Madara had the ability to make his Will into physical shape. If not by Black Zetsu as proof, look at the physical black rod Madara put inside the Plant... it is described as his WILL in PHYSICAL form. Again, you assume Madara needed Hashirama's DNA to make a Yin Clone of himself for Black Zetsu... even though we know Hashirama did NOT need Madara's DNA to make a wood YANG clone of himself, which is the root of White Zetsu. #BOOM

Hashirama making a wood clone of himself is not the same thing as Madara making a wood clone of someone else.

Madara didn't make a clone of himself. Black zetsu isn't a clone of Madara. Zetsu as a whole is a clone of Hashirama, which we know for a fact is made up of hashi's cells. Without Hashi's cells, you have no zetsu. Black zetsu also doesn't exist if the zetsu clone wasn't made first.

Now if you are saying Madara had a clone of his own on that cliff then ok. But it wasn't black zetsu, because black zetsu just apart of the entire zetsu, which needs HASHI'S DNA. If Madara didn't have that yet, then there is no zetsu, black or white, to help him.

Also, where did it state that madara put the rod inside zetsu?

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

Hashirama making a wood clone of himself is not the same thing as Madara making a wood clone of someone else.

Madara didn't make a clone of himself. Black zetsu isn't a clone of Madara. Zetsu as a whole is a clone of Hashirama, which we know for a fact is made up of hashi's cells. Without Hashi's cells, you have no zetsu. Black zetsu also doesn't exist if the zetsu clone wasn't made first.

Now if you are saying Madara had a clone of his own on that cliff then ok. But it wasn't black zetsu, because black zetsu just apart of the entire zetsu, which needs HASHI'S DNA. If Madara didn't have that yet, then there is no zetsu, black or white, to help him.

Also, where did it state that madara put the rod inside zetsu?

Only white zetsu is a clone using Hashirama. I have stated already that the body of black zetsu comes directly from Madara's Will, look at the manga I posted on the creation of the complete zetsu. It shows the body of black zetsu coming directly from Madara himself. There was no other half of zetsu because this clone was the one used to fit Obito body, which was also only a half of a body.

My comment about the rod was only to prove that Madara could make his Will into a physical form, aka the black rod in the plant. The manga clearly shows zetsu black portion of his body coming directly from Madara himself.

 

[Troyg39]

Only white zetsu is a clone using Hashirama. I have stated already that the body of black zetsu comes directly from Madara's Will, look at the manga I posted on the creation of the complete zetsu. It shows the body of black zetsu coming directly from Madara himself. There was no other half of zetsu because this clone was the one used to fit Obito body, which was also only a half of a body.

My comment about the rod was only to prove that Madara could make his Will into a physical form, aka the black rod in the plant. The manga clearly shows zetsu black portion of his body coming directly from Madara himself.

I see what you are trying to say, but the reason I say this isn't possible is because of the fact that Madara did not have Hashirama's cells.

The black rods that Madara had are the same rods Nagato used with his Rinnegan, therefore, it can be safe to assume that Madara achieved this power via his sharingan. But he didn't have the Rinnegan when he fought Hashi, so he couldn't do that yet in my opinion

 

[MilwaukeegHost]

I see what you are trying to say, but the reason I say this isn't possible is because of the fact that Madara did not have Hashirama's cells.

The black rods that Madara had are the same rods Nagato used with his Rinnegan, therefore, it can be safe to assume that Madara achieved this power via his sharingan. But he didn't have the Rinnegan when he fought Hashi, so he couldn't do that yet in my opinion

But here you assume.... it was Hashi's cells that gave him the ability to create a clone of this nature.

You only assume this because Black Zetsu was not introduced into the Manga until after his encounter with Obito. But let me ask you a question: Do you honestly think that Madara was able to IMMEDIATELY create a Zetsu with a black half the moment he wanted to give it to Obito? Dont you think its possible he already knew how to do this process before Obito was ever introduced into his life...? I highly doubt that moment was the first time Madara ever tried to make a clone using his Will, especially when he is already shown making physical objects that contain his Will. Black Zetsu obviously has a different BODY than White Zetsu, if it were from Hashi's cells I'm sure this half of the body wouldnt be ALL BLACK with those wierd ass eyes. Its a different body and I bet it didnt need Hashi's cells to create it.

 

[toviasrepier]

THEORIST ARE every where

What the hell he survive simply becuase Kishi decided to. It's impratical to think logically in Naruto.