[Theory] How Madara did -not- die. Chapter 626 spoilers ahead.

[pateuvasiliu]

As we all know, Madara was somehow still alive when he met Obito. He had the Rinnegan and Senju DNA inside him.

Since Edo Tensei is not perfect and I cannot picture Tobirama using a perfect version of it to raise Madara, I am going to assume that was the master move in Madara's plan to acquire Hashirama's DNA. It is clear to me that he read the requirements for Rinnegan on the tablet - Senju and Uchiha DNA.

So, I propose this.

Madara knew he was losing the moment he lost the Kyuubi. So, what does he do? He realises he can't win and uses Tsukuyomi on Hashirama.

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Note the moon ( Eye of the Moon Plan, the Moon has started to be a symbol for Tsukuyomi and if I am not mistaken in Japanese mythology Tsukuyomi is linked to the Moon ) and the close shot on his EMS.

I do not believe Madara would have fallen for his Mokubunshin. Not when he said this.

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Why would he lie to the Gokage? Make himself seem stronger? He was already stomping them. No. I believe Madara saw through the bunshin and let Hashirama stab him, using Tsukuyomi to make him think he fatally wounded him, when in reality he probably missed his heart.

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With Hashirama 100% dedicated to the Village and thinking Madara was dead, Madara now had a clear path to obtain the Rinnegan and plan his revenge.

He had Hashi's DNA and the whole world thought he was dead, giving him a perfect cover and the only thing he needed for the Rinnegan.

Regarding Madara's wound. Look at this pic.

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and then this

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In the first one, Madara is stabbed straight through the middle of his chest, i.e. his heart. This is from Hashirama's POV who, based on my theory, is under genjutsu and thinks he killed Madara.

In the second we clearly see the wound is slightly to the left, which suggests Hashirama missed his heart.

 

[DrProof]

I'm not buying this theory. It somewhat fits, but I can't accept this.

 

[Naruto hinata]

wow thats a great theory.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm not buying this theory. It somewhat fits, but I can't accept this.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me. No other reincarnation jutsus but Edo Tensei and Rinnetensei are known ( and Chiyo's, too ) and Tobirama would never use Edo Tensei on Madara. Not even if Hashirama begged him. Hashi clearly said that he will kill anyone who would hurt the village. He wouldn't raise Madara.

 

[rollin]

it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in

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[uchihamad]

seems possible.Nice find.

 

[TheSagedNaruto]

That actually makes sense. Some fanboy will just come in later and flame you but very good and if we do get an explanation i hope you are correct

 

[DrProof]

it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in

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Yup. This theory is refuted.

 

[Sherlock.]

it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in

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EDIT - Forgot about this....

 

[pateuvasiliu]

it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in

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That wound is definitely from Hashirama's sword, but I believe the genjutsu made him miss his heart by a few inches and Madara used it to deceive Hashirama into thinking he killed him.

Yup. This theory is refuted.

I never said he did not get stabbed. I said he genjutsu'd Hashirama into not hitting his heart.

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Look at this graph and Madara's wound. It didn't pierce his heart.

 

[DrProof]

That wound is definitely from Hashirama's sword, but I believe the genjutsu made him miss his heart by a few inches and Madara used it to deceive Hashirama into thinking he killed him.



I never said he did not get stabbed. I said he genjutsu'd Hashirama into not hitting his heart.

Slim chance all the less. Go back, and investigate bro.

 

[Frankenstein]

it couldnt be a genjutsu because that's the wound that madara plants hashi's cells in

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Damn, it was a good try though.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Slim chance all the less. Go back, and investigate bro.

There is nothing to investigate. The story is told from Hashirama's POV. Madara could see through wood clones as stated before. He got stabbed near the heart, not through the heart.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Edited the OP responding to the Wound scan.

 

[olumiday]

I disagree, if he used Tsukuyomi, why was he on life support later on. wasn't it due to the massive beating he received?
if it was Tsukuyomi, he would survive and still be complete.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I disagree, if he used Tsukuyomi, why was he on life support later on.
if it was Tsukuyomi, he would survive and still be complete.

Because he was extremely old back then.

Will come back with an actual number.

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Excellent theory and this may happen

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Because he was extremely old back then.

Will come back with an actual number.

Mads is around 30 years older than Hiruzen.

Hiruzen was 70 in Part I and 52 when the Kyuubi assaulted the village. Let's assume Obito attacked the village 1 or 2 years after he met Madara.

That puts Madara at around 80 years when he met Obito.

A lifetime of war will make one age faster and it is known that humans have developed longer lifespans as technology and time progressed.

For an 80 year old Madara to require life support is not ridiculous at all.

Following this thread, Madara was around 84 when he found Obito.

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[Zebstrika]

I agree that Hashirama got put under a genjutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

seems plausible