[VS] Edo madara + 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke + hashirama

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Rike Senju

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You gave hashi a crappy teammate. 5 kage take out sasuke with casualties. While hashirama takes out Edo madara high diff. Then hashi takes out the remaining kages. Hashi wins high diff.
 

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lol so i must show a scan for it to be possible? madara is an edo tensei. he can do anything he wants without any cost or restraint. the reason why he didnt just rain hell upon everyone is because THAT WOULDNT BE VERY FUN. but he wouldnt care about fun vs the only man to ever take him down before. hed do everything possible to defeat him. maybe there isnt infinite meteors. but he can use the same bansho tennin to attract rocks from earth.
lol, madara didnt use bansho tenin. when you get a scan stating that he did then madara will be able to freely attract anything he wants.
your claim that madara will make it rain meteors is an unrealistic scenario that isnt possible & wouldnt happen in the manga. there arent an infinite amount of meteors in the earth upper atmosphere therefore the meteorite tech isnt spammable and madara only gets 2 per match as shown in the manga. madara doesnt even highly value it as he even sees his mokuton as superior.
if "all strong men have weaknesses" and hashirama by extension does but madara doesnt, wouldnt that logically imply hashi is inferior now? his edo tensei isnt even full powered.

no, it doesnt. madara already admitted inferiority so your nonsense is pretty much voided.
 

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hashirama takes out Edo madara
with what? fanfiction sealing techs? fanfiction ways to destroy his meteors?

madara didnt use bansho tenin. when you get a scan stating that he did then madara will be able to freely attract anything he wants.
then how else was the meteor dragged down? nagato did the same thing on a smaller scale. he attracted random rocks toward a target

there arent an infinite amount of meteors in the earth upper atmosphere therefore the meteorite tech isnt spammable
so because there are hundreds of meteors, dragging all of them down is not spamming? nice.

madara doesnt even highly value it as he even sees his mokuton as superior.
its easily his most destructive move. it covered half the sky. only reason anyone survived it was onoki made it lighter. where did he say "mokuton is stronger than rinnegan"?

no, it doesnt. madara already admitted inferiority so your nonsense is pretty much voided.
yes it does. kishimoto > madaras opinion. god > a character created by god.
 
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Hashirama solos
 

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with what? fanfiction sealing techs? fanfiction ways to destroy his meteors?
you need seals to completely beat an edo, madara says that hashirama can beat him so hashirama has a sealing tech by default.
then how else was the meteor dragged down? nagato did the same thing on a smaller scale. he attracted random rocks toward a target
its not my job to find out for you. madara drew down a meteor & it was never implied to be bansho tenin. thats it. stop inventing abilities for madara.
so because there are hundreds of meteors, dragging all of them down is not spamming? nice.
there arent nearly as much meteors in the atmosphere as you claim. meteors of the size madara pulled down are rare to come across. he only pulled down 2 in canon so thats what he gets. madara gets no more than his manga canon amount of 2 meteors per match. that the end of it.
its easily his most destructive move. it covered half the sky. only reason anyone survived it was onoki made it lighter. where did he say "mokuton is stronger than rinnegan"?
the ground that the flower world covered was hundreds of times bigger than the area that the meteor covered but you think that the meteor is more destructive because its taller? yeah ok. madaras mokuton can subjugate biju that can effortlessly destroy the meteor.
yes it does. kishimoto > madaras opinion. god > a character created by god.

kishi makes madara say what he says. the man with no weakness claims that hashirama is stronger than him.
 

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Hashirama dosen't have any seals, so Edo Madara outlasts him.


Sasuke gets his emo crybaby ass raped, as usual. Quote the Sasuke owned count.
 

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Team Madara wins.

Edo Madara is more or less equal to Hashirama if not stronger.

5 kages stomp Sasuke.
 

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with what? fanfiction sealing techs? fanfiction ways to destroy his meteors?

then how else was the meteor dragged down? nagato did the same thing on a smaller scale. he attracted random rocks toward a target

so because there are hundreds of meteors, dragging all of them down is not spamming? nice.

its easily his most destructive move. it covered half the sky. only reason anyone survived it was onoki made it lighter. where did he say "mokuton is stronger than rinnegan"?

yes it does. kishimoto > madaras opinion. god > a character created by god.

I'd like to point out that for this specific vs, I stated Edo madara can't Edo heal and can die. Aka sealing isn't necessary. Think of it as madara being alive with all his Edo techs and infinite chakra (since has hi also has a massive pool) Just want to make it more interesting or madara would exploit immortality.
 

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you didnt even counter my post. you just restated your opinion which isnt even supported by the manga. this is the last time im responding to you as you constantly make up fanfiction like "madara uses every rinnegan tech with susano".

hashiramas mokuton>madaras ems>>>>>>madaras mokuton>>>>>>>>madaras rinnegan techs.

the meteorite is a combination technique. madara stated himself that he cant use rinnegan techs with susano with susano. there is literally nothing to discuss here. madaras has only shown preta path & a meteor & they cant compare to hashirama so they get effortlessly destroyed.

when was it stated that gedo mazo suppresses chakra? it only sealed the biju inside it.


i didnt say anything about the arrow. amaterasu kills onoki while he preps jinton.

dont waste my time with speculation.

the application of chidori nagashi is completely different from a lightning shield. a leg drop also carries no penetrative power.

look whose talking,you havent even countered anything,meteorite tech is obviously a deva power,as nagato was also seen pulling rocks down,also madara summoned gedo,which nagato does through deva,he also taught tob the six paths,how will he do that if he cant do them himself?. You are the one who is not following the manga.

Rinnegan>>moukton by far
madara's moukton+ems>hashirama's moukton. Not to mention the edo undying chakra.

Gedo mazo posseses demonic chakra chains which supress chakra.

Amaterasu isnt touching onoki when he is beside gaara.

What speculation?,wasnt he trying to talk sense into sasuke?,wasnt that his first time of seeing susanoo?,sasuke didnt even fight with it,he just hit the pillars and ran off,it's not like they actually had a fight and gaara didnt hit him from below.

Chidori nagashi isnt a piercing attack at all,where did you pull this from?. Raiton armour increases speed and penetration,which is why A was able to break through susanoo with a simple chop while a liger bomb didnt scratch the susanoo.
 

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you didnt even counter my post. you just restated your opinion which isnt even supported by the manga. this is the last time im responding to you as you constantly make up fanfiction like "madara uses every rinnegan tech with susano".

hashiramas mokuton>madaras ems>>>>>>madaras mokuton>>>>>>>>madaras rinnegan techs.

the meteorite is a combination technique. madara stated himself that he cant use rinnegan techs with susano with susano. there is literally nothing to discuss here. madaras has only shown preta path & a meteor & they cant compare to hashirama so they get effortlessly destroyed.

when was it stated that gedo mazo suppresses chakra? it only sealed the biju inside it.


i didnt say anything about the arrow. amaterasu kills onoki while he preps jinton.

dont waste my time with speculation.

the application of chidori nagashi is completely different from a lightning shield. a leg drop also carries no penetrative power.

look whose talking,you havent even countered anything,meteorite tech is obviously a deva power,as nagato was also seen pulling rocks down,also madara summoned gedo,which nagato does through deva,he also taught tob the six paths,how will he do that if he cant do them himself?. You are the one who is not following the manga.

Rinnegan>>moukton by far
madara's moukton+ems>hashirama's moukton. Not to mention the edo undying chakra.

Gedo mazo posseses demonic chakra chains which supress chakra.

Amaterasu isnt touching onoki when he is beside gaara.

What speculation?,wasnt he trying to talk sense into sasuke?,wasnt that his first time of seeing susanoo?,sasuke didnt even fight with it,he just hit the pillars and ran off,it's not like they actually had a fight and gaara didnt hit him from below.

Chidori nagashi isnt a piercing attack at all,where did you pull this from?. Raiton armour increases speed and penetration,which is why A was able to break through susanoo with a simple chop while a liger bomb didnt scratch the susanoo.
 

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Team Madara wins this bout. Five Kages solo Sasuke coz they would have defeated Edo Madara if not for the edo healing and ems Sasuke doesn't compare to Edo Madara. Then Edo Madara beats Hashi just for the fact that he now has Mokuton, Rinnegan and unlimited Chakra.
 

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Edo Madara stomps non Edo Hashirama, he knows all the rinnegan techniques as he was the one who taught Obito the Rikudou's jutsu. How does Hashirama counter Edo Madara flying on the Animal Path with unlimited Chibaku Tensei, Shinra Tensei and meteor shower? The fanboyism is high, don't even try to answer.
 
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He doesn't summon meteors.

He pulls them down.
 

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Manga says the Gokage's combined efforts are nothing compared to Hashirama, twice.
Hashirama literally fodderizes if he fights them first.

EMS Sasuke is fodderized by Edo Madara (he would be by EMS Madara as well).
Hashirama is outlasted by Edo Madara.

Team Madara wins.
 

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Manga says the Gokage's combined efforts are nothing compared to Hashirama, twice.
Hashirama literally fodderizes if he fights them first.

EMS Sasuke is fodderized by Edo Madara (he would be by EMS Madara as well).
Hashirama is outlasted by Edo Madara.

Team Madara wins.

the 5 kages pushed edo madara who used mouktom+ems+rinnegan. Hashirama isnt fodderizong them,and didnt he later change his mind about that after they wiped out his susano army?.
 

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the 5 kages pushed edo madara who used mouktom+ems+rinnegan. Hashirama isnt fodderizong them,and didnt he later change his mind about that after they wiped out his susano army?.

Edo madara wasn't trying.
Didn't have hashirama's SM mode
Didn't have hashirama's Healing

It's likely that hashirama can fodderize the gokage.

Edo madara wasn't pushed. He was testing them the entire time to see just how good they could be. When they showed a little promise, he showed them their doom (PS).
When he became tired of them, he just off panel killed them (epitome of fodderization)
 

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the 5 kages pushed edo madara who used mouktom+ems+rinnegan. Hashirama isnt fodderizong them,and didnt he later change his mind about that after they wiped out his susano army?.

Madara was obviously playing around with them as he casually and quickly took them out after he was done playing around with them.
 

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Re: Edo madara 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke hashirama

Edo madara wasn't trying.
Didn't have hashirama's SM mode
Didn't have hashirama's Healing

It's likely that hashirama can fodderize the gokage.

Edo madara wasn't pushed. He was testing them the entire time to see just how good they could be. When they showed a little promise, he showed them their doom (PS).
When he became tired of them, he just off panel killed them (epitome of fodderization)

he brought down meteors,used magatamas,used susanoo,used flower world which IIRC was base hashi's top move,used 25 susanoo clones,used advent,used preta. Even if he didnt go all out,he wasnt just toying with them,he got himself into a near fatal situation and had to pull of a clone feint to escape.

He was an edo,he had no chakra limit,the kages had chakra limits,and were exhausted by the time he brought out PS.

Hashi uses moukton,the kages know what to expect,plus the kages are all rested,and hashi isnt an edo. His healing wont save him from a jinton,or a sand coffin,or being dissected,4 of the 5 kages can do all that.

Madara killed them off panel?,hashirama died off panel too,whats your point?.

They are alive BTW,just very injured

Madara was obviously playing around with them as he casually and quickly took them out after he was done playing around with them.

madara didnt go all out,but wasnt exactly playing. He dropped meteors,used 25 complete susanoos,used preta,used moukton and ps. When guy faced 30% kisame,he didnt use 6th gate until later,once he opened it,he beat kisame at once,you cant say guy toyed with kisame beacuse he didnt use the gates from the start can you?. The kages survived the onslaught for a good amount of time while exhausted.
 

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EMS Sasuke can focus on Mei, Tsunade, and A at the beginning of the fight, and can monitor Onoki's Jinton along with Gaara's movements. Tsunade and Mei are taken out fairly early in the battle with two enton arrows. Remember, Sasuke can use Enton arrows and Magatamas simultaneously now, as his Sussano has three hands.

A, along with any Taijutsu user is literally useless here. Sasuke can coat his Sussano with Kakasgtsuchi and create a wall of Amaterasu from Enton projectiles as he did so during his fight with Kabuto. This will kill any Taijutsu users who even try to do this. He can use Magatamas to busy Gaara and keep his eye on Onoki. He can even try and put him under Genjutsu. After Sasuke is done with Mei and Tsunade, he can shower Gaara with Enton arrows and Magatamas. Gaara will be finished sooner or later. Or an Enton Sword cuts through his sand killing him.

Once Onoki decides to use Jinton, he uses Amaterasu to kill him in one go. All that is left is Gaara now, who is in a constant threat from all the enton projectiles lying on the battle field and can be utilized at Sasuke's whim to create Amaterasu walls and projectile. In fact, Sasuke can create one around Gaara to limit his movement. If he tries to fly, he is put under the force of enton arrows that will go clean through his defense, as not only is his sand not fast enough to keep up with arrows that forced Danzo to use Izanagi and Kakashi to use Kamui. If He tries to penetrate his Susanoo - IF Onoki manages to lighten his sand that is - it's easily countered with Nagashi and Kusanagi, or even cut through easily with Chidori spear.

If A is still standing, then he can get taken out in so many different ways; genjutsu is one of them. Sasuke wins this mid-difference max as three of them - especially Mei and Tsunade - are easily picked off right from the start. Onoki's Golems will prove to be as zero distractions as Sharingan can give colour to chakra whether it's underground - like in Deidara fight - or behind an object - as in Kabuto fight - henceforth, his distractions won't work against these opponents at all. Onoki's best bet is to prepare a jinton, and that is a fatally sluggish technique compared to Amaterasu and arrows. He's taken out there and then if he tries.

Mei's Lava attack couldn't penetrate ribcage Susano'o; she isn't accomplishing anything here. The fight then boils down to Hashirama and Edo Madara. Edo Madara is Edo after all, but I would like I withhold my opinion on this this until more is revealed, but Sasuke clearly wins against the Kages as two of them are literally one-shotted right at the beginning and A, being a close range fighter is useless here, so the actual battle is with Gaara and Onoki. With Tsunade out of the way, Onoki cannot prepare extremely large Jintons anyway, and any attempt on Gaara's part to pull Sasuke out after having his sand lightened is instantly negated with a single Nagashi.
 
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