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Nope. There's plenty of political/corporate policies and scams that the people are against, but their efforts will either get ignored or fed the illusion that (govt.) will fix those things. Like the FED, the disappearing of trillions, NDAA, and what not.

When talking about rights, I'm looking at it from a wider perspective. The small efforts of some good samaritans are good, but somewhat futile underneith the hand of Imperialism.

Yup that does happen. Then you get someone like Teddy Roosevelt in office and they undo the damage that was done by previous presidents and congresses. It is a cycle of improvement and corruption. Communism just gets more and more corrupt due to lack of competition.

All across the country unconstitutional gun laws are being smacked down by courts and they have been restoring our rights.
 

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Yup that does happen. Then you get someone like Teddy Roosevelt in office and they undo the damage that was done by previous presidents and congresses. It is a cycle of improvement and corruption. Communism just gets more and more corrupt due to lack of competition.

All across the country unconstitutional gun laws are being smacked down by courts and they have been restoring our rights.

Thank god for the people over there that know what's up. One of our members (forgot who) chased away a couple of gun law promoting idiots a couple of weeks ago preventing their streets from having 'turn in your guns for money' events.
 

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There is much truth in that.
However, North Korea say that they're a 'democracy' but 99% of this 'democracy' is linked straight to communism. As for China they're getting out of it. Still not a perfect model for state capitalism.

North Korea and China should follow japan example...

It's never good to have those supreme leaders, democracy allows people to choose what's the best for them, and the open debates are just beneficial. China is doing a great progress but if they were like japan, they would be even better
 

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It's been said before, but communism looks good on paper yet doesn't work in application. Then again, capitalism doesn't work very well either, considering the huge imbalance between rich and poor which exists in basically every society. In short, communism is too balanced (in its purest form) and capitalism isn't balanced enough.

This gets a little nit-picky. True capitalism doesn't exist - nor does true communism.

For two interesting reasons.

In the case of communism - the idea is that everyone shares their efforts/product and currency doesn't exist. The fundamental problem is that it ignores supply and demand. Depending upon the technology and processes available to a society - there are a minimum number of metal smiths necessary to support society. There are a minimum number of waiters/waitresses, etc. If you have a bunch of actors or actresses leading to a huge surplus of entertainment... there aren't enough people taking care of the material needs of society.

This ultimately leads to the need for centralized planning and control over how many people will be performing various duties. Communism tends to break down under the effects of free will (even if everyone is legitimately working).

Capitalism - or the free market - is the idea that a person is free to create a product or service and set some metric of exchange that they will accept to render that service or part with the product.

Capitalism runs into a very simple problem in that I cannot simply make something like a computer. Resources; the equipment necessary to process materials (as well as the knowledge) are all fundamentally limited. It is possible for a single interest to form a monopoly over those resources and set exceptionally profitable exchange rates for those resources. The supply can be realistically and artificially limited.

This is especially the case when government gets involved. The reason why large corporations support lobbying efforts for environmental regulations is because those regulations prevent the upstart of new businesses that could potentially upset the market. Any corporation's manufacturing lines are easily ten years behind the most modern manufacturing processes available. New businesses are often the ones that take advantage of the latest and greatest technology across their entire line as they have no process to interrupt or work around. Because of that - even with startup costs included, they can often out compete larger industries in the most competitive markets (new technology) and establish themselves as market share leaders in those products that will often hold for two or more decades.

Unless, of course, the costs of start-up are inflated and slowed down by bureaucratic tape and regulations. Which is exactly the reason for them.

The public thinks its getting cleaner industry (when the regulation doesn't do anything but make things more expensive for start-ups), but is really just getting bound to GE or whomever's product line.
 

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Thank god for the people over there that know what's up. One of our members (forgot who) chased away a couple of gun law promoting idiots a couple of weeks ago preventing their streets from having 'turn in your guns for money' events.

Good, drive away those fools that think getting guns out of the hands of good guys will stop criminals from committing crimes. Even a computer can understand that simple logic.

Although there has been something somewhat amusing about the gun buy backs. Some of the people at those gun buy backs are turning in broken guns so people are able to dispose of their broken guns and get money for doing so. Many were duplicate or older guns no one in the house used. So we can recycle broken guns and get $100 gift cards at the tax payers expense. We also have "Guns for Cash" at gun buybacks



Gun buybacks are a disaster and even these cops know it but are forced to do so.
 

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Gun buybacks are a disaster and even these cops know it but are forced to do so.

Reminds me of this:



[video=youtube;SabufY57T6E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabufY57T6E[/video]

I think it's absolutely hilarious.

Because there are a lot more of those types of things floating around than anyone, spare an anarchist, wants to believe.
 

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This gets a little nit-picky. True capitalism doesn't exist - nor does true communism.

For two interesting reasons.

In the case of communism - the idea is that everyone shares their efforts/product and currency doesn't exist. The fundamental problem is that it ignores supply and demand. Depending upon the technology and processes available to a society - there are a minimum number of metal smiths necessary to support society. There are a minimum number of waiters/waitresses, etc. If you have a bunch of actors or actresses leading to a huge surplus of entertainment... there aren't enough people taking care of the material needs of society.

This ultimately leads to the need for centralized planning and control over how many people will be performing various duties. Communism tends to break down under the effects of free will (even if everyone is legitimately working).

Capitalism - or the free market - is the idea that a person is free to create a product or service and set some metric of exchange that they will accept to render that service or part with the product.

Capitalism runs into a very simple problem in that I cannot simply make something like a computer. Resources; the equipment necessary to process materials (as well as the knowledge) are all fundamentally limited. It is possible for a single interest to form a monopoly over those resources and set exceptionally profitable exchange rates for those resources. The supply can be realistically and artificially limited.

This is especially the case when government gets involved. The reason why large corporations support lobbying efforts for environmental regulations is because those regulations prevent the upstart of new businesses that could potentially upset the market. Any corporation's manufacturing lines are easily ten years behind the most modern manufacturing processes available. New businesses are often the ones that take advantage of the latest and greatest technology across their entire line as they have no process to interrupt or work around. Because of that - even with startup costs included, they can often out compete larger industries in the most competitive markets (new technology) and establish themselves as market share leaders in those products that will often hold for two or more decades.

Unless, of course, the costs of start-up are inflated and slowed down by bureaucratic tape and regulations. Which is exactly the reason for them.

The public thinks its getting cleaner industry (when the regulation doesn't do anything but make things more expensive for start-ups), but is really just getting bound to GE or whomever's product line.

You always know what you talk about :cool:

I said I had to read about communism, but still not my best subject! Tomorrow will post another thread in the general discussion, something that people have to realize because they have been brainwashed
 

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Good, drive away those fools that think getting guns out of the hands of good guys will stop criminals from committing crimes. Even a computer can understand that simple logic.

Although there has been something somewhat amusing about the gun buy backs. Some of the people at those gun buy backs are turning in broken guns so people are able to dispose of their broken guns and get money for doing so. Many were duplicate or older guns no one in the house used. So we can recycle broken guns and get $100 gift cards at the tax payers expense. We also have "Guns for Cash" at gun buybacks



Gun buybacks are a disaster and even these cops know it but are forced to do so.

nice video! +1 for that
 

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Reminds me of this:



[video=youtube;SabufY57T6E]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SabufY57T6E[/video]

I think it's absolutely hilarious.

Because there are a lot more of those types of things floating around than anyone, spare an anarchist, wants to believe.

I remember that it was a big deal before. I never got why anyone cared about an empty SAM tube. Looks to me like it was a war trophy to show off to your friends. I know back in WWII, Korea, and Vietnam people would ship weapons they found back to the USA as trophies. These gun buy backs are suppose to be "no questions asked" yet they are investigating this minor thing...

Off Note: I would love to have a SAM tube to hang on my wall XD
 

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agriculture? Interesting, I have met a man few weeks ago in a place we stayed which was agricultor himself... He was really wise...

Anyway, sorry my ignorance, but what's agriculture about nowadays? I know what it is ofc, but what kind of prospects does it offer to you??

I am looking forward to do something related to geology (alongside biology or chemistry maybe) or biology/chemistry (medicine, chemist, etc)....

Here in UK the price is normally 9K, 9.000 pounds, and they loan it to you, then when you are employed and get 21K or more per year, they take like 3% of your salary. If you receive less or not employed, you don't pay. If it has been 30 years or more it cancels out... Not too bad I think, it kinda helps those that really want to succeed but haven't got much money

I'm heading into a field of research, I found out some interesting facts about Australia's food source. For ex. there's this plant spore called Rust and there's like so many different species of it, that the researchers are struggling to keep up with its growing immunity to their counters. They work hard to make sure the nations food lasts. Agriculture is quite broad of a word. I'm hopefully heading into a diverse sector that will include travel, understanding farmers and making conditions better for them (because they get the short end of the stick a lot of the time here in Australia), doing research and making good money.
Geology sounds great, its when you get into a specific study do you realise how much there is to offer. I'm doing biology, chemistry and statistics as apart of my course.
In Australia we have a thing called HECS. Sort of similar to the UK scheme. My course is roughly 8G per year (there's no way I can afford that, and I'm only a first year too), and I can keeping gettting alone until I find a career in my field of research. And then I have to make over 50,000 if they want me to begin repaying the lone.
 

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I'm heading into a field of research, I found out some interesting facts about Australia's food source. For ex. there's this plant spore called Rust and there's like so many different species of it, that the researchers are struggling to keep up with its growing immunity to their counters. They work hard to make sure the nations food lasts. Agriculture is quite broad of a word. I'm hopefully heading into a diverse sector that will include travel, understanding farmers and making conditions better for them (because they get the short end of the stick a lot of the time here in Australia), doing research and making good money.
Geology sounds great, its when you get into a specific study do you realise how much there is to offer. I'm doing biology, chemistry and statistics as apart of my course.
In Australia we have a thing called HECS. Sort of similar to the UK scheme. My course is roughly 8G per year (there's no way I can afford that, and I'm only a first year too), and I can keeping gettting alone until I find a career in my field of research. And then I have to make over 50,000 if they want me to begin repaying the lone.

lone? is it how you say loan in australia? ahha Australia is so far away and so isolated geographically, I wonder how the people there are:p Would be nice to visit the country...

Soung good! Somehow agriculture is related to geology I think! And I am doing a very similar course to you, Biology, Chemistry and Geology:p
 

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lone? is it how you say loan in australia? ahha Australia is so far away and so isolated geographically, I wonder how the people there are:p Would be nice to visit the country...

Soung good! Somehow agriculture is related to geology I think! And I am doing a very similar course to you, Biology, Chemistry and Geology:p

Loan was my own mistake haha. Australia being far away is actually a good thing most of the time!XD We're not as populated as other large countries, and its very diverse here, so the choices where you end up are almost infinite. And plus we're in major demand of agriculturalists, I'm a shoe in for a good payed job hopefully.

Agriculture is related to geology, I have to observe the minerals in the soil, and with that comes knowing what's in your Earth. All the best with Geology, would love to see you become a famous geologist one day!:D
 

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Loan was my own mistake haha. Australia being far away is actually a good thing most of the time!XD We're not as populated as other large countries, and its very diverse here, so the choices where you end up are almost infinite. And plus we're in major demand of agriculturalists, I'm a shoe in for a good payed job hopefully.

Agriculture is related to geology, I have to observe the minerals in the soil, and with that comes knowing what's in your Earth. All the best with Geology, would love to see you become a famous geologist one day!:D

Really similar then ahah
Thanks, I'll do my best! If you ever hear about a famous Christopher, it will be me ;) The same to you, good luck with your agriculture, do the best you can :)
 

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Going back to topic. I simply had to read this article about a mother trying to escape North Korea and my mind was made.

 

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Going back to topic. I simply had to read this article about a mother trying to escape North Korea and my mind was made.


I'll read this tomorrow as I am going to sleep now:)
 

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Well, since this thread is originally about communism I'll keep on the main subject: I live in Cuba, and for those of you who live in a cave, we are a communist country, but like someone said a few posts earlier, there're a lot of different kinds of communism. Here almost everyone has the same things and it's true that the sysrtem isn't optimally balanced but at least we have free education & health systems, and also security. Our government puts ppl first (not saying it's perfect) and I know many of you may have a negative view and opinion about my country....we're not being brainwashed, we have the same info you have there and, for what's worth, we're not supporting North Korea's stance in this about-to happen war. Cpaitalism isn't perfect, communism isn't perfect either but if I have to choose i'd stay where I am now...so...
 

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Well, since this thread is originally about communism I'll keep on the main subject: I live in Cuba, and for those of you who live in a cave, we are a communist country, but like someone said a few posts earlier, there're a lot of different kinds of communism. Here almost everyone has the same things and it's true that the sysrtem isn't optimally balanced but at least we have free education & health systems, and also security. Our government puts ppl first (not saying it's perfect) and I know many of you may have a negative view and opinion about my country....we're not being brainwashed, we have the same info you have there and, for what's worth, we're not supporting North Korea's stance in this about-to happen war. Cpaitalism isn't perfect, communism isn't perfect either but if I have to choose i'd stay where I am now...so...


Nice... Another person that lives in a communist country :D
Many people from my original country go to Cuba to study medicine and stuff!
I'm glad you like it :)

I wonder what social class you are in but it doesn't matter. The reason I wonder so is I know there is poverty in there...
if your leader, that used to be Fidel Castro for many years, decided to do something almost everyone was against it, how would you fight that decision? Will they respond with violence, soldiers and that?

I obviously don't live there so you know much more than me, and sorry for my question, just curiosity, don't want to sound bad/ignorant ahah

And is the country developed? I mean you talked about health care services, are they of good quality, are there nice hospitals? I ask this because I wonder how equality is there, if they receive about the same as someone that doesn't do the same job and didn't do much to achieve it
 

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Communism never has and never will work. It has been tested by many countries and look where it brought them. There is always a leader and no one will ever have to do anything because in Communism the governments takes everything away from the people and gives them back what they need when they need it. So theoretically they will never need to work and the economy will eventually crash.
 

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Interesting thread. I don't like communism and i would never support it. It must be the only thing i can agree with Hitler.
 
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