[VS] Edo madara + 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke + hashirama

[AGoodBoy]

Location: vote

Distance: either side of statues

Condition: anything goes. Intent to kill

Special restriction: Edo madara won't Edo heal and can be killed by lethal damage - this is because he'd need to be sealed otherwise, making fight more skewed, and would be able to shattered heaven with no Repercussions

 

[genii96]

Madara solos hashirama

gaara and onoki swat sasuke aside

 

[genii96]

Madara solos hashirama

gaara and onoki swat sasuke aside

 

[TheSages456]

Madara solos hashirama

gaara and onoki swat sasuke aside

no, you're wrong of course.

hashirama solos madara as stated & shown.

gaara & onoki wouldnt beat ems sasuke.

team hashirama wins.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Madara solos hashirama

gaara and onoki swat sasuke aside

Wut.
Also try to use strategy
Madara sasuno'o for defence + tsunade heals team
Sasuke Susano and has hi wood for defense, Sasuke on enton snipe

 

[genii96]

no, you're wrong of course.

hashirama solos madara as stated & shown.

gaara & onoki wouldnt beat ems sasuke.

team hashirama wins.

hashirama>ems madara as stated and shown,
but edo madara=base hashirama+madara+rinnegan as also stated as shown,and is stronger

gaara and onoki would end sasuke with little diff.

Wut.
Also try to use strategy
Madara sasuno'o for defence + tsunade heals team
Sasuke Susano and has hi wood for defense, Sasuke on enton snipe

sasuke's susanoo has an underside,gaara pulls him out into a jinton,or gaara protects onoki long enough to form a jinton which kills sasuke

madara beats hashirama with rinnegan+ems+moukton

 

[TheSages456]

hashirama>ems madara as stated and shown,
but edo madara=base hashirama+madara+rinnegan as also stated as shown,and is stronger

gaara and onoki would end sasuke with little diff.




sasuke's susanoo has an underside,gaara pulls him out into a jinton,or gaara protects onoki long enough to form a jinton which kills sasuke

madara beats hashirama with rinnegan+ems+moukton

no, hashirama>madara is stated & shown. he never differentiated between the forms of madara. madara is stated to have a portion of hashiramas strength so he doesnt even have all of base hashiramas mokuton.

edo madara is madara that has a portion of hashiramas power. thats about it. hashirama is stated & canonically shown to be superior to all forms of madara.

madara has the same full power as in life. its still perfect susano & hashirama beat it.

also show a scan which states that madara is stronger than hashirama.


um, no sasuke isnt losing to gaara or onoki. susano arrows end onoki & gaara.

 

[zamki]

It is draw I guess..
Edo Hashi=Edo Madara(In my opinion)

5 Kage and Sasuke doesnt make any effect to this legend battle.

 

[AGoodBoy]

hashirama>ems madara as stated and shown,
but edo madara=base hashirama+madara+rinnegan as also stated as shown,and is stronger

gaara and onoki would end sasuke with little diff.




sasuke's susanoo has an underside,gaara pulls him out into a jinton,or gaara protects onoki long enough to form a jinton which kills sasuke

madara beats hashirama with rinnegan+ems+moukton

That madara thing is incorrect. He doesn't have hashi's healing nor does he have hashis SM

Ems Sasuke can take on some of the hokage tho, plus hashi is there for support... This is team fight, Mouton can move Sasuke away from jintons and block line of sight.

 

[genii96]

Re: Edo madara 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke hashirama

no, hashirama>madara is stated & shown. he never differentiated between the forms of madara. madara is statoesnt even have all of base hashiramas mokuso he doesnt even have all of base hashiramas mokuton.

edo madara is madara that has a portion of hashiramas power. thats about it. hashirama is stated & canonically shown to be superior to all forms of madara.

madara has the same full power as in life. its still perfect susano & hashirama beat it.

also show a scan which states that madara is stronger than hashirama.


um, no sasuke isnt losing to gaara or onoki. susano arrows end onoki & gaara.

acrually,he dosent have just a portion,his moukton is on base hashirama's level,tsunade who saw it,recognized it as her gran father's jutsu. Add this to his rinnegan and his ems,and you have moukton,6 paths of pain and ems abilities against hashirama. That is a luittle too much for the hokage. Ps isnt his strongest tech,since he now posseses rinnegan and it's power,also he was the one that summoned gedo from the moon,so he can use gedo as well. Even if ps is his most powerfuk tech,in a fight,the most powerful dont always give you the win.he now has rinnegan and moukton to choose from,and he can use rinnegan and ps simultaneously,so it wnt be the same as last time.

Susanoo arrows can be simply redirected or blocked,1 jinton and sasuke is gone,or gaara just crshes his feet underneath

That madara thing is incorrect. He doesn't have hashi's healing nor does he have hashis SM

Ems Sasuke can take on some of the hokage tho, plus hashi is there for support... This is team fight, Mouton can move Sasuke away from jintons and block line of sight.

if you read my post,you would see that i said he had the powers of base hashirama,not sm hashirama.

Hashirama had close fights with ems madarta alone,how can he look out for sasuke when he now has an edo madara to fight?,sasuke isnt taking on the gokage,not in his dreams

 

[AGoodBoy]

Re: Edo madara 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke hashirama

acrually,he dosent have just a portion,his moukton is on base hashirama's level,tsunade who saw it,recognized it as her gran father's jutsu. Add this to his rinnegan and his ems,and you have moukton,6 paths of pain and ems abilities against hashirama. That is a luittle too much for the hokage. Ps isnt his strongest tech,since he now posseses rinnegan and it's power,also he was the one that summoned gedo from the moon,so he can use gedo as well. Even if ps is his most powerfuk tech,in a fight,the most powerful dont always give you the win.he now has rinnegan and moukton to choose from,and he can use rinnegan and ps simultaneously,so it wnt be the same as last time.

Susanoo arrows can be simply redirected or blocked,1 jinton and sasuke is gone,or gaara just crshes his feet underneath



if you read my post,you would see that i said he had the powers of base hashirama,not sm hashirama.

Hashirama had close fights with ems madarta alone,how can he look out for sasuke when he now has an edo madara to fight?,sasuke isnt taking on the gokage,not in his dreams

Good point, you did say base. My vote is on team madara anyway, I'm jutsu listening to your opinion and trying to see how you'd respond to teamwork XD

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Edo madara 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke hashirama

acrually,he dosent have just a portion,his moukton is on base hashirama's level,tsunade who saw it,recognized it as her gran father's jutsu. Add this to his rinnegan and his ems,and you have moukton,6 paths of pain and ems abilities against hashirama. That is a luittle too much for the hokage. Ps isnt his strongest tech,since he now posseses rinnegan and it's power,also he was the one that summoned gedo from the moon,so he can use gedo as well. Even if ps is his most powerfuk tech,in a fight,the most powerful dont always give you the win.he now has rinnegan and moukton to choose from,and he can use rinnegan and ps simultaneously,so it wnt be the same as last time.

Susanoo arrows can be simply redirected or blocked,1 jinton and sasuke is gone,or gaara just crshes his feet underneath



if you read my post,you would see that i said he had the powers of base hashirama,not sm hashirama.

Hashirama had close fights with ems madarta alone,how can he look out for sasuke when he now has an edo madara to fight?,sasuke isnt taking on the gokage,not in his dreams

-madara & kabuto stated that madara only obtained a portion of hashiramas strength. take it up with kishi if you dont like it.

-the powers that madara have dont layer on top of eachother. he has only used these abilties 1 at a time.

-madara stated himself that PS is his full power. if anything you say is above PS in power you're contradicting the manga.

-only nukes & raw power can take down hashirama. madaras new techs dont have enough of it. only PS has a chance at killing hashirama and it already failed.

-both madaras mokuton & his 2 rinnegan techs are weaker than PS and are therefore worthless against hashirama.

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no, madara cant use rinnegan techs in conjunction with susano.

-onoki gets taken out by amaterasu as he prepares jinton.

-gaara gets taken out by the enton sword.

-gaara used the sand under madaras feet to pull him out. he cant do this nearly as effectively in any other area. if he couldve, he wouldve done this to sasuke at the kage summit. it doesnt matter because if gaara does this, chidori nagashi disperses any sand near him.

 

[genii96]

Re: Edo madara 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke hashirama

Good point, you did say base. My vote is on team madara anyway, I'm jutsu listening to your opinion and trying to see how you'd respond to teamwork XD

teamwork? Fine.
Mei casts hidden mist on the area,blinding sasuke's eyesight and reducing hashirama's own,gaara takes advantage and grabs sasuke's susanoo,pinning it down,a double lariat from tsunade and raikage coupled with a jinton finishes sasuke.

Madara dosent need teamwork to beat hashirama. Happy?XD

-madara & kabuto stated that madara only obtained a portion of hashiramas strength. take it up with kishi if you dont like it.

-the powers that madara have dont layer on top of eachother. he has only used these abilties 1 at a time.

-madara stated himself that PS is his full power. if anything you say is above PS in power you're contradicting the manga.

-only nukes & raw power can take down hashirama. madaras new techs dont have enough of it. only PS has a chance at killing hashirama and it already failed.

-both madaras mokuton & his 2 rinnegan techs are weaker than PS and are therefore worthless against hashirama.

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no, madara cant use rinnegan techs in conjunction with susano.

-onoki gets taken out by amaterasu as he prepares jinton.

-gaara gets taken out by the enton sword.

-gaara used the sand under madaras feet to pull him out. he cant do this nearly as effectively in any other area. if he couldve, he wouldve done this to sasuke at the kage summit. it doesnt matter because if gaara does this, chidori nagashi disperses any sand near him.

moukton might be stronger than ems rechs,but not rineegan techs,madara taught obito all the rinnegan techs he knows,madara broke the seal of the SO6P and summoned gedo,which was used by the deva path when nagato summoned it,which means he can do all the 6 paths.

Madara clearly had his rinnegan when he was in susanoo in the kage fight, remeber meteor tech?,thats a rinnegan move,which uses the susanoo as well,so he can use rinnegan and susanoo together. PS preta or PS deva working together is stronger than just PS,also PS moukton is also stronger than PS. Madara can now summon gedo too,gedo PS moukton would beat hashi.

Gedo mazo like moukton supresses chakra,infact it could supress the chakra of 5 bijuus together,and can supress other things too. Hashi isnt beating madara at all.

Susanoo arrow isnt hurting onoki when he is close to gaara

enton is shown to be useless against gaara,and he has already blocked susanoo swords without looking.

Gaara makes sand from the ground,he can easily make sand under sasuke's feet,ot just flood the whole area with a sand tsunami,and then use the sand to grab him. At the summit gaara wanted to talk it was his first time of seeing susanoo.

Against kimimaro,he used sand from underground to grab his feet.

If raiton armour didnt budge his sand despite being aided by enton ,CN wont do squat

 

[TheSages456]

Re: Edo madara 5 kage vs Ems Sasuke hashirama

you didnt even counter my post. you just restated your opinion which isnt even supported by the manga. this is the last time im responding to you as you constantly make up fanfiction like "madara uses every rinnegan tech with susano".

teamwork? Fine.
Mei casts hidden mist on the area,blinding sasuke's eyesight and reducing hashirama's own,gaara takes advantage and grabs sasuke's susanoo,pinning it down,a double lariat from tsunade and raikage coupled with a jinton finishes sasuke.

Madara dosent need teamwork to beat hashirama. Happy?XD



moukton might be stronger than ems rechs,but not rineegan techs,madara taught obito all the rinnegan techs he knows,madara broke the seal of the SO6P and summoned gedo,which was used by the deva path when nagato summoned it,which means he can do all the 6 paths.

hashiramas mokuton>madaras ems>>>>>>madaras mokuton>>>>>>>>madaras rinnegan techs.

Madara clearly had his rinnegan when he was in susanoo in the kage fight, remeber meteor tech?,thats a rinnegan move,which uses the susanoo as well,so he can use rinnegan and susanoo together. PS preta or PS deva working together is stronger than just PS,also PS moukton is also stronger than PS. Madara can now summon gedo too,gedo PS moukton would beat hashi.

the meteorite is a combination technique. madara stated himself that he cant use rinnegan techs with susano with susano. there is literally nothing to discuss here. madaras has only shown preta path & a meteor & they cant compare to hashirama so they get effortlessly destroyed.

Gedo mazo like moukton supresses chakra,infact it could supress the chakra of 5 bijuus together,and can supress other things too. Hashi isnt beating madara at all.

when was it stated that gedo mazo suppresses chakra? it only sealed the biju inside it.

Susanoo arrow isnt hurting onoki when he is close to gaara

enton is shown to be useless against gaara,and he has already blocked susanoo swords without looking.

i didnt say anything about the arrow. amaterasu kills onoki while he preps jinton.

Gaara makes sand from the ground,he can easily make sand under sasuke's feet,ot just flood the whole area with a sand tsunami,and then use the sand to grab him. At the summit gaara wanted to talk it was his first time of seeing susanoo.

dont waste my time with speculation.

Against kimimaro,he used sand from underground to grab his feet.

If raiton armour didnt budge his sand despite being aided by enton ,CN wont do squat

the application of chidori nagashi is completely different from a lightning shield. a leg drop also carries no penetrative power.

 

[Strawberry]

mADY HAS THIS FIGHT BRAH THAT SUSANOO WOULD BEAT SASUKES SUSANOO THEN IT WOULD BE 6 V 1 AND BOOOM

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

lolol. hashi cant seal and he cant defend against jinton so what is the fight here?

hashirama solos madara as stated & shown.

how does he stop an immortal edo madara raining down infinite meteors

show a scan which states that madara is stronger than hashirama.

kishimoto said madara has no weaknesses. which is another way of saying no other individual is as strong or ever was as strong as him.

 

[TheSages456]

lolol. hashi cant seal and he cant defend against jinton so what is the fight here?

how does he stop an immortal edo madara raining down infinite meteors

please show the scans of madara making it rain infinite meteors. also please tell how madara will spam meteors since there arent even an infinite amount of meteors in the upper atmosphere.

kishimoto said madara has no weaknesses. which is another way of saying no other individual is as strong or ever was as strong as him.

no it just means that madara has no exploitable weakness.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

lol so i must show a scan for it to be possible? madara is an edo tensei. he can do anything he wants without any cost or restraint. the reason why he didnt just rain hell upon everyone is because THAT WOULDNT BE VERY FUN. but he wouldnt care about fun vs the only man to ever take him down before. hed do everything possible to defeat him. maybe there isnt infinite meteors. but he can use the same bansho tennin to attract rocks from earth.

madara has no exploitable weakness.

if "all strong men have weaknesses" and hashirama by extension does but madara doesnt, wouldnt that logically imply hashi is inferior now? his edo tensei isnt even full powered.

 

[Penguin]

Hashirama > Gokage

Madara >= EMS Sasuke

After Hashi destroys the Gokage, he will help Sasuke with Madara.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

Hashirama > Gokage

false. jinton to the face fuelled by tsunade. gaara puts sand in hashiramas throat