Kakuzu > Trollkage

[Hashirama Senjuu]

You really can't be serious right now.. Kakuzu can't send his clams everywhere. He doesn't have that many threads to cover a whole battlefield. Due to the Mirage he will be seeing a fake clam and a fake Mizukage.
@bold: The Genjutsu stops only when the clam has been destroyed.

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@bold; And as I've said before. Trying to dispel the mist w/o destroying the clam is not going to work.




Earth makes Water weaker not weak completely different terms, not to mention it all depends on Domu's defensive capabilities. Whether he did it on is arm or his whole body doesn't matter as it doesn't increase the defensive power. It only spreads the defense around his whole body. His threads don't even have durability feats that let anyone say it is a good defense let alone a defense capable of tanking Joki Boy.

@bold: You've failed to provide any kind of proof that he can tank it with no damage at all. You've failed to provide any kind of evidence that the threads and Domu will let him tank

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with NO damage at all. You are the one who is supposed to be backing up this claim. I can't counter something that you can't even support.

Continuous explosions that Kakuzu can't evade or stop eventually kill him.

But unless you hit kakuzus heart, your not killing him, an explosion isn't getting through iron, earth>water.

And it doesn't matter if his threads dont cover the whole battlefield. He has ninjutsu as well.

And it takes sometime for joki boy to form again so kakuzu can find the clam before being killed. And it doesn't matter if threads haven't shown a defensive feat. You cant kill kakuzu by attackig his threads, you have to hit his heart.

P.s. I will still be here all day

 

[KidGamer65]

But unless you hit kakuzus heart, your not killing him, an explosion isn't getting through iron, earth>water

No proof means your words are worthless.

And it doesn't matter if his threads dont cover the whole battlefield. He has ninjutsu as well.

His Ninjutsu doesn't cover the whole field either so it isn't hitting the clam.

And it takes sometime for joki boy to form again so kakuzu can find the clam before being killed. And it doesn't matter if threads haven't shown a defensive feat. You cant kill kakuzu by attackig his threads, you have to hit his heart.

Joki Boy can easily get right infront of him and blow up as it has better speed feats than he does. (Dodging Gaara's sand) Those threads will simply get blown apart as they haven't shown any kind of feat that lets anyone believe it can take Joki Boy's explosion.

P.s. I will still be here all day

All you are doing is repeating BS that you can't back up.

 

[Onion Soda]

Joki Boys reached at least 1.080 ºC since he melted gold, even if Kakuzu where to use Iron armor it would really get hot. Tanking JB is not a viable option for nobody. JB is faster than Gaara's sand, and somepeople say that this sand is as fast as amateratsu... figure it out. Kakuzu can't target JB and it can behead Kakuzu at the least chance.
Oonoki was going to nuke the clam with a S-rank jutsu (Dust element) but he had to resort to another one capable of knocking back JinMode Kinkaku. So that clam is too hard for Kakuzu's B-rank jutsus. Kakuzu's range is not that big if Ino, Shiamaarua and Choji could avoid it (2.5, 2 and 2,5 speed stat respectively).

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

No proof means your words are worthless.


His Ninjutsu doesn't cover the whole field either so it isn't hitting the clam.


Joki Boy can easily get right infront of him and blow up as it has better speed feats than he does. (Dodging Gaara's sand) Those threads will simply get blown apart as they haven't shown any kind of feat that lets anyone believe it can take Joki Boy's explosion.



All you are doing is repeating BS that you can't back up.

so are you.
Fire evaporates water. The mist will rise allowing kakuzu to find the clam.

Earth>water, joki boy isn't getting through iron.

I can also say kakuzus fly's on his mask... Sooo no joki boy

I restate what I say because it's true.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Joki Boys reached at least 1.080 ºC since he melted gold, even if Kakuzu where to use Iron armor it would really get hot. Tanking JB is not a viable option for nobody. JB is faster than Gaara's sand, and somepeople that this sand is as fast as amateratsu... figure it out. Kakuzu can't target JB and it can behead Kakuzu at the least chance.
Oonoki was going to nuke the clam with a S-rank jutsu (Dust element) but he had to resort to another one capable of knocking back JinMode Kinkaku. So that clam is too hard for Kakuzu's B-rank jutsus. Kakuzu's range is not that big if Ino, Shiamaarua and Choji could avoid it (2.5, 2 and 2,5 speed stat respectively).

4 b rank jutsu = what? He can destroy the clam.

It doesn't matter if his iron gets hot. What's it going to do? Burn his threads? He has to hit kakuzus heart.

edit: all five of them

 

[KidGamer65]

so are you.
Fire evaporates water. The mist will rise allowing kakuzu to find the clam.

:sy: The mist is constantly being produced. EVEN IF HE GETS RID OF SOME OF IT IT WILL BE REPLACED. A first grader could have understood this concept by now.

Earth>water, joki boy isn't getting through iron.

Joki Boy melted Gaara's gold dust thus it reaches temps of up to 1064.18 °C Kakuzu's threads nor does his Domu stand a chance. The explosion dwarfs him so it will hit his whole body. Its faster than him so it will explode in close range. It will burn right through and blow him up, then reform and blow Kakuzu up again. Eventually he dies as he can't stop it.

I can also say kakuzus fly's on his mask... Sooo no joki boy

Kakuzu's mask can't fly.

I restate what I say because it's true.

No, you restate it because you clearly have nothing else to say. Naturally I'm not surprised.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

:sy: The mist is constantly being produced. EVEN IF HE GETS RID OF SOME OF IT IT WILL BE REPLACED. A first grader could have understood this concept by now.


Joki Boy melted Gaara's gold dust thus it reaches temps of up to 1064.18 °C Kakuzu's threads nor does his Domu stand a chance. The explosion dwarfs him so it will hit his whole body. Its faster than him so it will explode in close range. It will burn right through and blow him up, then reform and blow Kakuzu up again. Eventually he dies as he can't stop it.


Kakuzu's mask can't fly.


No, you restate it because you clearly have nothing else to say.

yes they can fly. Read the manga. Also, gaaras sand showed no signs of getting hot. Neither will kakuzus iron, your making shit up. You can only counter my OP with stuff you come up in your head. You have given no facts.

edit: it takes time for the mist to cover the area again. Smh. Even a academy student would know that.

 

[Fecal Matter]

Read the whole thread.And right now KidGamer65 is owning the Hashirama fanboy.

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[KidGamer65]

yes they can fly. Read the manga. Also, gaaras sand showed no signs of getting hot. Neither will kakuzus iron, your making shit up. You can only counter my OP with stuff you come up in your head. You have given no facts.

@bold: Got proof? Oh wait, no you don't your just making stuff up as usual, seems to be something you like to do a lot.

It already melted Gold in the manga so it will melt through iron. Deal with it.

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His sand didn't get cold because the sand made cold by the hail was enough to chill it.

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I guess Kishimoto is wrong according to you..

 

[GwemBaba]

I countered everything in your OP.

@bold: Poor understand of manga much? Joki Boy isn't a Suiton type Explosion. Its simply an explosion so Kakuzu gets destroyed by Joki Boy.


It takes chakra to FORM it, once its formed he is weakened but it doesn't take any more chakra from him. He can sit back weakened in safety Kakuzu can't stop the clam Genjutsu.

@bold: I can only hope that you're joking.


Doesn't matter. The mist is continuously being produced so Kakuzu can't find the Mizukage, thus he can't win.

@bold: Well its not.

No, he also needs to reform the clone after the explosion, he even said so himself.

Can't put up the manga extract, on my phone.


He also said it leaves him in an extremely weakened and vulnerable state.

 

[Kages]

Idk, he might not be able to find him in the Genjutsu. It's not real mist it's a Genjutsu.

 

[KidGamer65]

No, he also needs to reform the clone after the explosion, he even said so himself.

Can't put up the manga extract, on my phone.

No.

Joki Boy reforms by itself.

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It gets larger by it starting to expand and when it gets big enough to releases an explosion of steam. After the explosion it returns to its original size all on its own. Mizukage isn't actively pouring more chakra into making it. Joki Boy's explosion cycle is 100% science.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

@bold: Got proof? Oh wait, no you don't your just making stuff up as usual, seems to be something you like to do a lot.

It already melted Gold in the manga so it will melt through iron. Deal with it.

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His sand didn't get cold because the sand made cold by the hail was enough to chill it.

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You show me where iron has ever been heated in the manga? Thought so.




I guess Kishimoto is wrong according to you..

The explosions isn't getting through iron to hit his heart.

The explosion will never hit kakuzus heart.

 

[KidGamer65]

The explosions isn't getting through iron to hit his heart.

The explosion will never hit kakuzus heart.

Joki melted Gold. It will easily get past armor so it will get him and his heart...multiple ones will anyway.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Joki melted Gold. It will easily get past armor so it will get him and his heart...multiple ones will anyway.

it takes 1350 degrees Celsius to melt iron. Its not getting though.

 

[Fecal Matter]

it takes 1350 degrees Celsius to melt iron. Its not getting though.

So wouldn't continues explosions from Joki Boy eventually blow up Kakazu's Armour? Even if he tanks one, as long as the hail is still in motion Joki Boy will always shrink and start the cycle again.

TrollKage doesn't have to waste his chakra after setting up his mist,hail and Joki Boy.

 

[KidGamer65]

it takes 1350 degrees Celsius to melt iron. Its not getting though.

Time out! Where the hell are you even getting iron from anyway? Domu is Earth Release. His skin doesn't turn into actual iron. So Joki Boy will blow him to bits. Multiple explosions will end him.

Making up stuff again I see.

 

[Hashirama Senjuu]

Time out! Where the hell are you even getting iron from anyway? Domu is Earth Release. His skin doesn't turn into actual iron. So Joki Boy will blow him to bits.

Making up stuff again I see.

Kakuzu states it. It makes his skin as hard as diamonds anyways. So diamonds>iron. You just put yourself at a disadvantage.

So wouldn't continues explosions from Joki Boy eventually blow up Kakazu's Armour? Even if he tanks one, as long as the hail is still in motion Joki Boy will always shrink and start the cycle again.

TrollKage doesn't have to waste his chakra after setting up his mist,hail and Joki Boy.

He cant use earth spear for long periods of time, it will go away and then he has to use it again. So it is renewed everytime.

 

[GwemBaba]

No.

Joki Boy reforms by itself.

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It gets larger by it starting to expand and when it gets big enough to releases an explosion of steam. After the explosion it returns to its original size all on its own. Mizukage isn't actively pouring more chakra into making it. Joki Boy's explosion cycle is 100% science.

Einstein's conservation of energy: Energy cannot be created nor destroyed.

The only thing you can argue is that the Mizukage already put the Majority of his Chakra into the clone, but it is inevitably going to run out of steam (Pardon the pun).

Joki Boi cannot run forever, this much is obvious, though to what extent cannot be said.

If Kakuzu were to use his Water mask, it would render Joki Boi redundant.

It has been stated that this will leave the Mizukage weakened and vulnerable after this.

 

[KidGamer65]

Kakuzu states it. It makes his skin as hard as diamonds anyways. So diamonds>iron. You just put yourself at a disadvantage.

Not really as his skin doesn't turn into diamonds so it doesn't have the same melting point as diamond does. Hardness has nothing to do with melting point so Kakuzu still gets blown to bits.