Can rinnegan cast/break genjutsu?

[Arugon]

A Rinnegan user is capable of using all of the 5 elements. This also means that theoretically a Rinnegan user is capable of mastering ANY jutsu.

 

[Draphsin]

So if Nagato were to fight people like Itachi, Sasuke or Madara(all of which are skilled in genjutsu, agreed?) he wouldn't stand a chance seeing as they can just stop him before he moves?

Nagato can sense the

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in the eyes that indicates a dojiutu being cast, sharingan genjutsu is a dojutsu that can be sensed, therefore he can tell when he needs to avoid the eyes, which in turn avoids the genjutsu

 

[NarutoOST]

What if he is pointed at using a finger? Like how Itachi did his genjutsu on naruto?

 

[Recable]

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You just need chakra receivers to pierce the enemy first

What the hell, no. That was Nagato's chakra controlling Kakashi a bit, when he pierces people with them polls he can control them slightly and fully if dead. That's what happens to Naruto as well, it's not a genjutsu and no the Rinnegan can't break out of it that's why he didn't break out of the frogs genjutsu.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Nagato can sense the

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in the eyes that indicates a dojiutu being cast, sharingan genjutsu is a dojutsu that can be sensed, therefore he can tell when he needs to avoid the eyes, which in turn avoids the genjutsu

The pressure is sensed in amaterasu only, as it takes huge chakra build up.

 

[SilverfoxUchiha]

Genjutsu can stop fights before they start, so unless you're Madara who can switch between EMS and Rinnegan, why do so many people say Rinnegan>EMS?

I guess if the users Rinnegan was previously the Sharingan then the Genjutsu of the Sharingan is available as the Rinnegan is actually an evolution of the Sharingan and not a devolution of it.

However, and using Nagato as an example, if the user did not previously have the Sharingan they may not have its qualities within their Rinnegan, as the Sharingan/Rinnegan is directly connected to the users DNA.

i think thats what you were saying.

 

[Draphsin]

The pressure is sensed in amaterasu only, as it takes huge chakra build up.

No, read the manga. He asked himself if that pressure was amaterasu, but you can see

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that Itachi was activating KA, and nagato realizes that Itachi wasnt using ama. Therefore he was sensing genjutsu...

And anyways tell me what you think the difference between the pressure in ama and tsukuyomi is?

What the hell, no. That was Nagato's chakra controlling Kakashi a bit, when he pierces people with them polls he can control them slightly and fully if dead. That's what happens to Naruto as well, it's not a genjutsu and no the Rinnegan can't break out of it that's why he didn't break out of the frogs genjutsu.

What the hell, yes...

Read the definition of genjutsu: "genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses."

Nagato used his chakra to manipulate kakashi's into disrupting his senses, thus he was using genjutsu. There is no evidence denying it...

Frog genjutsu is different, A dojutsu user can be trapped in sound based genjutsu, and frog song is one of the strongest sound based genjutsus in the series

 

[AlphaScythian]

Rinnegan/>EMS/MS or sharingan. Reason being u cannot compare those 2 as they have different abilities.
While rinnegan appears to be more versatile and brings new OPed options, it doesnt counter any of sharingan abilities.
In 1vs1 fight MS user has greater chance in destroying non-uchiha rinnegan user. In everything else rinnegan is more useful.

No, read the manga. He asked himself if that pressure was amaterasu, but you can see

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that Itachi was activating KA, and nagato realizes that Itachi wasnt using ama. Therefore he was sensing genjutsu...
And anyways tell me what you think the difference between the pressure in ama and tsukuyomi is?

U misunderstood it. Itachi had to prepare his MS in order to activate KA. Itachi has build up chakra for amaterasu and triggered KA.
Nagato's assessment was correct, but he was surprised that amaterasu never fired, thats all.

 

[7Zero]

Have people seriously forgotton that the rinnegan gives the user ability to master all 5 nature types, which includes yin and yang release? The genjutsu his path used to make a victim believe their toungue was being ripped out of their mouth?

Rinnegan > any form of eye doujutsu.

 

[The God]

What the hell, no. That was Nagato's chakra controlling Kakashi a bit, when he pierces people with them polls he can control them slightly and fully if dead. That's what happens to Naruto as well, it's not a genjutsu and no the Rinnegan can't break out of it that's why he didn't break out of the frogs genjutsu.

thank you!! some people just dont understand whats going on

 

[Draphsin]

Rinnegan/>EMS/MS or sharingan. Reason being u cannot compare those 2 as they have different abilities.
While rinnegan appears to be more versatile and brings new OPed options, it doesnt counter any of sharingan abilities.
In 1vs1 fight MS user has greater chance in destroying non-uchiha rinnegan user. In everything else rinnegan is more useful.

If a non-uchiha has the rinnegan then they are transplants, and obviously transplanted eyes are gonna be weaker on a non-uchiha.

 

[AlphaScythian]

If a non-uchiha has the rinnegan then they are transplants, and obviously transplanted eyes are gonna be weaker on a non-uchiha.

Not quite, depends if the user has powerful chakra or not. Nagato was suitable for a reason.
I only said that cuz in uchihas rinnegan seems to retain sharingan abilities so...

 

[Recable]

No, read the manga. He asked himself if that pressure was amaterasu, but you can see

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that Itachi was activating KA, and nagato realizes that Itachi wasnt using ama. Therefore he was sensing genjutsu...

And anyways tell me what you think the difference between the pressure in ama and tsukuyomi is?



What the hell, yes...

Read the definition of genjutsu: "genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses."

Nagato used his chakra to disrupt kakashi's, thus he was using genjutsu. There is no evidence denying it...

Frog genjutsu is different, A dojutsu user can be trapped in sound based genjutsu, and frog song is one of the strongest sound based genjutsus in the series

No. He was controlling using the polls, that's not genjutsu, I don't hear him shouting "poll control genjutsu" on any of his victims when using the polls. Just like he controls the dead bodies he also controls people but not as well as they are alive.

Edit: I don't even know how you can say "read the definition of genjutsu" to someone whose favourite is Itachi.

 

[The God]

No, read the manga. He asked himself if that pressure was amaterasu, but you can see

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that Itachi was activating KA, and nagato realizes that Itachi wasnt using ama. Therefore he was sensing genjutsu...

And anyways tell me what you think the difference between the pressure in ama and tsukuyomi is?



What the hell, yes...

Read the definition of genjutsu: "genjutsu techniques manipulate the flow of chakra in the victim's brain, thus causing a disruption in their senses."

Nagato used his chakra to disrupt kakashi's, thus he was using genjutsu. There is no evidence denying it...

Frog genjutsu is different, A dojutsu user can be trapped in sound based genjutsu, and frog song is one of the strongest sound based genjutsus in the series

those rods are chakra recievers they were used to disrupt kakashis chakra YES but it was not genjutsu if it was genjutsu they would have been able to overcome jiraiyas genjutsu as we know genjutsu can cancel out genjutsu as with tayuyas genjutsu on itachi and sasuke during the kabuto fight since when itachi and sasuke cast a genjutsu on themselves to disrupt tayuyas genjutsu. Nagato couldnt break free of jiraiyas genjutsu we know those rods do not control or manipulate through the 5 senses but merely recieve chakra and control the body

 

[Draphsin]

No. He was controlling using the polls, that's not genjutsu, I don't hear him shouting "poll control genjutsu" on any of his victims when using the polls. Just like he controls the dead bodies he also controls people but not as well as they are alive.

thos "poles" are called chakra recievers. Nagato transfers his chakra from his body to his paths bodies via the black rods. If one is pierced by these rods then the user has the ability to manipulate their chakra and disrupt their senses. This it is the literal definition for genjutsu. The fact that he needs the rod to cast it is irrelevant because it still serves the same purpose.

@bold: I can recall plenty of times where nagato didnt shout the name of his attack.... :|

 

[Recable]

those rods are chakra recievers they were used to disrupt kakashis chakra YES but it was not genjutsu if it was genjutsu they would have been able to overcome jiraiyas genjutsu as we know genjutsu can cancel out genjutsu as with tayuyas genjutsu on itachi and sasuke during the kabuto fight since nagato couldnt break free of jiraiyas genjutsu we know those rods do not control or manipulate through the sense but merely recieve chakra and control the body

Exactly this. Some people just can't face being proved wrong. Now he will try and come up with some failed argument as to why it is genjutsu instead of taking that he lost.

thos "polls" are called chakra recievers. Nagato transfers his chakra from his body to his paths bodies via the black rods. If one is pierced by these rods then the user has the ability to manipulate their chakra and disrupt their senses. This it is the literal definition for genjutsu. The fact that he needs the rod to cast it is irrelevant because it still serves the same purpose.

@bold: I can recall plenty of times where nagato didnt shout the name of his attack.... :|

I was joking when I said about the jutsu name like hell is any jutsu going to be called that. Also it is NOT genjutsu, controlling someone is not genjutsu and that is what he's doing. That's like saying mind transfer is genjutsu.

Edit: Oh and I think every character has said their jutsu name at least once since they've been shown.

 

[Draphsin]

those rods are chakra recievers they were used to disrupt kakashis chakra YES but it was not genjutsu if it was genjutsu they would have been able to overcome jiraiyas genjutsu as we know genjutsu can cancel out genjutsu as with tayuyas genjutsu on itachi and sasuke during the kabuto fight since when itachi and sasuke cast a genjutsu on themselves to disrupt tayuyas genjutsu. Nagato couldnt break free of jiraiyas genjutsu we know those rods do not control or manipulate through the sense but merely recieve chakra and control the body

Are you serious? Tayuyas genjutsu was unbreakable without another set of eyes for the brothers to cast their genjutsu on.

Nagato needed to pierce jiraiya first with his black rods if he wanted to escape the genjutsu...Thats why he didnt break out of it...........

 

[AlphaScythian]

Genjutsu attacks the mind in order to gain control over chakra flow and senses. Chakra rods attack chakra flow. Its just as genjutsu as puppeteer chakra string attached to sakura!
Its not genjutsu, deal with it.

 

[Draphsin]

Exactly this. Some people just can't face being proved wrong. Now he will try and come up with some failed argument as to why it is genjutsu instead of taking that he lost.



I was joking when I said about the jutsu name like hell is any jutsu going to be called that. Also it is NOT genjutsu, controlling someone is not genjutsu and that is what he's doing. That's like saying mind transfer is genjutsu.

Edit: Oh and I think every character has said their jutsu name at least once since they've been shown.

Prove that kakashi was being controlled...Nagato dodged the attack, If it was simple control then he wouldnt need to dodge because he could simply make kakashi miss....Nagato disrupted his senses, thats why pein was able to dodge

Genjutsu attacks the mind in order to gain control over chakra flow and senses. Chakra rods attack chakra flow. Its just as genjutsu as puppeteer chakra string attached to sakura!
Its not genjutsu, deal with it.

lol getting a little hostile eh?

Tell me whats stopping nagato's chakra flow from reaching kakashi's brain? all chakra flow is connected

Sorry bro but nagato used genjutsu XD

 

[Recable]

Prove that kakashi was being controlled...Nagato dodged the attack, If it was simple control then he wouldnt need to dodge because he could simply make kakashi miss....Nagato disrupted his senses, thats why pein was able to dodge

Like I said before he can control anyone with the rods but if they're alive it makes it harder. So you're saying he is using genjutsu on DEAD people to control them? No. You're wrong so deal with it.