Itachi had the potential to surpass Madara

[Zenic]

By now it is clear that Madara is the strongest Uchiha but if there weren't so many harsh obstacles in Itachi's path, could he have surpassed him? Lets take a look at the factors:


The Sharingan:

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It was stated that Itachi awakened his 3 Tomoe at the age of 8 but a lot of us believe he activated it at the age of 6 but that's not important right now. Madara was shown activating his 1 Tomoe at the age of 13-14, I know he's around that age because he looks just like Sasuke at the start of the original series. Look at chapter 624 page 10. We now know that Itachi had more natural eye prowess than Madara even though he most likely had no knowledge about the Sharingan at that age. So, if Itachi was in the same timeline as Madara he'd have activated his Sharingan 5 years before Madara, keep in mind he's younger.

Reasoning:

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It was stated that Itachi despised warfare at a young age, Madara also hated violence but somewhere along the lines, that changed. Hiruzen said that Itachi had the reasoning of a Kage at the age of 7, in no way am I saying that Itachi is stronger than a kage or stronger than Madara at that age, all I'm saying is that Itachi had a brilliant mind at such a young age. Madara was consumed by hatred in his young 20's and had no desire for real 'peace', Itachi never gave in to the Uchiha hatred because he was smart enough to think for himself.

A question, what's worse? Having to slaughter your entire clan or losing your sibling? Itachi's loss was indeed worse but he didn't direct any hate towards the village, he knew that if peace was to be obtained he would have to sacrifice greatly. We can now establish that Itachi's reasoning of life was far superior than Madara's.

Sharingan abilities:

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Itachi was first shown using Amaterasu, Susano'o & Tsukuyomi at the age of 17-18 (confirmed by databook and Naruto wiki) where as Madara didn't show any of those abilities on the battlefield and he looked in his early 20's (possibily 22-23) Now, you tell me which is more amazing? 3 Sharingan abilities at the age of 17 or no Sharingan abilities in early 20's?

Most of you are now going to say "We haven't seen Madara's capabilities when he was young" but I say we have. What else is there to see? He's fighting on the battlefield with Sharingan activated, no Susano'o, no Amaterasu or Kamui. So please don't use that argument :T_T:

Conclusion:

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In no way am I saying Itachi > Madara, all I'm saying is if Itachi didn't have the sickness, if he killed Sasuke & if he had Hashirama's cells he could have had the potential to surpass Madara and possibily Hashirama. I'm a Madara fan and completely un-biased so you can believe me when I say "I'm not d*ck riding Itachi"

Hope my thread was good, leave me some thoughts

 

[Transcendence]

If Itachi had Madara's chakra reserves and EMS, Madara wouldn't stand a chance IMO.

 

[Sensational]

No he doesn't cause Itachis dead

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

I Agree. If itachi would have made it to at least age 30, He would be on par with or greater than EMS madara in my opinion

No he doesn't cause Itachis dead

HAD is a past tense word and in the past he was alive so your post is irrelevant

 

[Aertes]

Itachi would never poke Sasuke's eyes out for EMS so no,his development could only reach a certain level,even without the drawbacks of his illness.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

He "had" the potential, but failed miserably.*end of theory*

 

[Zenic]

If Itachi had Madara's chakra reserves and EMS, Madara wouldn't stand a chance IMO.

Ah, read the whole thread! I got to that in concusion bit

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

He was the Mozart of the Uchihas, a natural born prodigy who died too young.

 

[Zenic]

Itachi would never poke Sasuke's eyes out for EMS so no,his development could only reach a certain level,even without the drawbacks of his illness.

Yeah but this is a what if scenario and one of the what if's is that if Itachi poked out Sasuke's eyes

 

[Zenic]

He was the Mozart of the Uchihas, a natural born prodigy who died too young.

^ This pretty much

 

[Orochimaruofthesound]

Lord Itachi bless you for making sense

 

[Sefirosu Masamune]

Itachi would never poke Sasuke's eyes out for EMS so no,his development could only reach a certain level,even without the drawbacks of his illness.

Not entirely true. People. Sasuke's 3 tomoe sharingan was capable of dispelling Tsukiyomi. the level of the sharingan does not mean anything. Itachi has more than enough tools to defeat madara with his MS. Though it is unlikely he could do it, it is very possible for someone like itachi. EMS>MS true, but EMS users are not automatically better than MS users because of a slightly higher level of doujutsu.

 

[The One Who Knocks]

Itachi is like... idk... he was the Ninja with the greatest potential. Let's not forget that Orochimaru ( One of the most intelligent Ninja's to ever exist and an authority on all things Uchiha ) felt like Itachi would be a PERFECT vessel! He went from Itachi to Sasuke because he was UNABLE to get Itachi's body. Itachi KILLED what... 100 Uchiha's all by himself ( Tobi claims to have helped but i call BS ). He was stronger then Sasuke and probably smarter then Hiruzen. Face it guys... the only Ninja with a greater potential then Itachi was in fact... Shisui!

 

[Arian]

agree completely... to be honest i think even with all his problems he would be a pretty good match for madara, or might even outsmart him. itachi is a genious amog geniouses..one in a million i would say^^ but he was terribly sick and had a terrible life may he rest in peace

 

[Uzumaki Naruto ftw]

very interesting but i think they be even vs itatchi doing better. they def would be equal for sure.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Itachi lacked chakra reserves, madara fought senjus for 24 hours, so...

 

[Aertes]

Yeah but this is a what if scenario and one of the what if's is that if Itachi poked out Sasuke's eyes

True,but even in a what if scenario, I think taking away the most obvious trait of his personality (his love for his brother) doesn't add up.He never craved for power to try obtaining it in such ways.

Not entirely true. People. Sasuke's 3 tomoe sharingan was capable of dispelling Tsukiyomi. the level of the sharingan does not mean anything. Itachi has more than enough tools to defeat madara with his MS. Though it is unlikely he could do it, it is very possible for someone like itachi. EMS>MS true, but EMS users are not automatically better than MS users because of a slightly higher level of doujutsu.

Of course not,but think about it that way....Itachi's vision had already deteriorated very much when he was only 21 by overusing MS.As the years passed through he would eventually go blind.His powers might not be influenced,but since he was not a sensor,he would have a major disadvantage in a any kind of battles.
And as it was implied,the chakra needed to perform each tech. is decreased with EMS.SO at the end,it would come down to who is able to stand longer in a battlefield.

 

[kmw1811]

He was the Mozart of the Uchihas, a natural born prodigy who died too young.

True!!! XD

 

[Uchiha812]

Yea...if Itachi wasnt sick and obtained the EMS, he strength would grow exponentially and could possibly be on the same playing field as Madara

 

[kmw1811]

Itachi is like... idk... he was the Ninja with the greatest potential. Let's not forget that Orochimaru ( One of the most intelligent Ninja's to ever exist and an authority on all things Uchiha ) felt like Itachi would be a PERFECT vessel! He went from Itachi to Sasuke because he was UNABLE to get Itachi's body. Itachi KILLED what... 100 Uchiha's all by himself ( Tobi claims to have helped but i call BS ). He was stronger then Sasuke and probably smarter then Hiruzen. Face it guys... the only Ninja with a greater potential then Itachi was in fact... Shisui!

I agree with all of this, I'm not even an Itachi fanboy...

Not entirely true. People. Sasuke's 3 tomoe sharingan was capable of dispelling Tsukiyomi. the level of the sharingan does not mean anything. Itachi has more than enough tools to defeat madara with his MS. Though it is unlikely he could do it, it is very possible for someone like itachi. EMS>MS true, but EMS users are not automatically better than MS users because of a slightly higher level of doujutsu.

True!!!