Bijuu Naruto & EMS Sasuke Are Already Close in Strength

[itachi1000]

No, he might be soon but as of right now. No.

Deny it as much as you want, but these are straight facts from the manga.

 

[itachi1000]

Let's not jump ahead to any conclusions on who's better and who's not, when we haven't even seen Sasuke show his potential with EMS. Still... Good thread. At least all Naruto fans aren't ignorant.

No problem.

 

[So6p10tails666]

Please actually take the time to read this thread please!!!
I'm not trying to be a Sasuke fanboy, In fact I don't even like Sasuke as a character, I perfer Naruto over Sasuke any day. But I'm just going to present facts straight from the manga on how Bijuu Naruto and EMS Sasuke are already close in strength, maybe not equal, but still close.

Fans often point out how Bijuu Naruto can easily stomp Sasuke's EMS Susanoo, but they were to take a good look at these two panels, they can see that Bijuu Mode and Sasuke's EMS Susanoo are actually close in size. Now I will admit that Bijuu Mode is a bit taller, but still close in size regardless.

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Now if these two were fight each other in just these two forms, then their movesets in these forms would determine how the fight would go.

Bijuu Mode

Three Bijuu Mode Shadow Clones

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Bijuu Bomb

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Rasengan

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Super Mini Bijuu Bomb

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Bijuu Bomb Barrage

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Double Rasenshuriken

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Chakra Arms

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EMS Susanoo

Amaterasu

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Amaterasu Sword

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Amaterasu Magatama

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If we were to take all of these moves into consideration, Sasuke actually has a counter for most of Bijuu Naruto's moves except for one.

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Based on what we've seen in the manga, only the original can use the full-Kurama cloak, meaning that three clones would be limited to only using the Rasengan, Super Mini bijuu bomb, chakra arms, double rasenshuriken, and their immense speed. As shocking as it sounds, Sasuke's Susanoo has a counter for each of these.

For starters, the clones immense speed, just because their fast, doesn't mean that their speed will allow them to break through Susanoo's defense, it doesn't work like that. Now if these clones used the Rasengan or mini bijuu bomb, these attacks would at the very least cause minimal damage. Now the Rasenshurken, Sasuke could easily smother that with the Amaterasu Magatama since fire is superior to wind. If they used their chakra arms, then Sasuke could use Amaterasu to burn the them, then the flames would obviously spread onto the clones, thus dispersing them.

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Now against the full-Kurama cloak, it's on a completely different level. If Naruto tried to use Kurama's tails as chakra arms to attack Sasuke, then Sasuke could easily swipe them away with his Amaterasu Sword, burning them in the process, then the black flames would then spread onto the Kurama cloak, putting Naruto in a very tight spot.

As for the Bijuu Bomb, if Naruto were to use that, he would need to take his time to charge it, we can't ignore that fact. That's why Naruto asked Killer Bee to cover them while he was charging his Bijuu bomb.

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So with that said, while Naruto is charging his Bijuu bomb, Sasuke would be able to take advantage of this charge time and use this as an opportunity to attack Naruto with the Amaterasu Magatama, the spread flames would then spread all over the Kurama cloak, which again, puts Naruto in a tight spot.

But, if Naruto were to use the Bijuu bomb barrage instead of the normal Bijuu bomb then he wins. They may be weaker,but they're strong enough to completely obliterate Sasuke, and since they require no charge time, Sasuke has no means of defense against that.

But even with all this said, until stated later in manga, Naruto still has that 8-minute time limit. I don't know how, but that may put Naruto at a major disadvantage against Sasuke. But he's obviously going to extend it, but until stated otherwise, we cannot assume that Naruto can now use Bijuu Mode for a long period of time.

So with all that said, EMS Sasuke and Bijuu Naruto are already close in strength. Maybe not equal but close because if Naruto uses the Bijuu bomb barrage right from the get go he wins, but if he doesn't, Sasuke will be giving him a run for his money.

Im a sasuke and naruto fan but u sound more like a sasuke fan cause why u stated that naruto only possible way to win is bijuu bomb barrage are u crazy naruto is fighting obito and edo madara and he is giving them a run for their money I think if sasuke was in naruto shoes he would have been dead by now rinnigan >ems everytime and naruto handled 5 bijuus with his chakra arms u think sasuke can do that he probly handle them 1 at a time stop comparing naruto and sasuke until kishi reveals sasuke tru powers cause as of now naruto will demolish sasuke low diff

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

not yet, because minato took it away with reaper death seal and it will go back, full 9tails and sage mode will be very very powerful
and he would be able to use genutsu

Naruto sucks at genjutsu he even admitted it, but I agree if he gets the yin half of Kurama's chakra then he would be a force to be reckoned with.

 

[itachi1000]

Im a sasuke and naruto fan but u sound more like a sasuke fan cause why u stated that naruto only possible way to win is bijuu bomb barrage are u crazy naruto is fighting obito and edo madara and he is giving them a run for their money I think if sasuke was in naruto shoes he would have been dead by now rinnigan >ems everytime and naruto handled 5 bijuus with his chakra arms u think sasuke can do that he probly handle them 1 at a time stop comparing naruto and sasuke until kishi reveals sasuke tru powers cause as of now naruto will demolish sasuke low diff

Trust me, Naruto has always been my favorite character since the beginning of the series. I've always disliked Sasuke, but I'm presenting facts as to how Sasuke is already close to Naruto in strength.

Lastly, Naruto is not giving Madara and Obito a run for their money, he's fighting them along with his comrades, if Naruto was fighting them alone, he would have lost a long time ago.

 

[So6p10tails666]

thank you sir

 

[Rike Senju]

1) Susanoo protects Sasuke from Naruto's speed
2) Those two panels above show you that there around the same size
3) KM clones would not be able to touch Sasuke with Susanoo protecting him. Also Sasuke could easily smother those Rasenshurikens with Amaterasu Magatama
4) If Naruto even tries using the chakra arms, then Sasuke hits them with Amaterasu

With that said, only the Bijuu bomb barrage would be able to automatically take out Sasuke, since the normal Bijuu bomb requires charge time.

Because sasuke will be able to keep up with KM clones and all of their attacks? Multiple RS brake susanno and destroy sasuke's chakra system. Until we see something else from sasuke he is not close to being equal to Naruto.

 

[The Big Boss]

Naruto sucks at genjutsu he even admitted it, but I agree if he gets the yin half of Kurama's chakra then he would be a force to be reckoned with.

he sucks at most jutsu but he still does really well, because he can adapt, main character tier

 

[KingHashirama]

Biju Mode includes KM clones or just BM clones, and also SM clones. And those clones have techniques.

1 KM Naruto clone is Kage level. Ems Sasuke is not on that level.

 

[itachi1000]

Because sasuke will be able to keep up with KM clones and all of their attacks? Multiple RS brake susanno and destroy sasuke's chakra system. Until we see something else from sasuke he is not close to being equal to Naruto.

Never said they were equal, just saying that they're close in strength, and that's it.

 

[6ari8]

Except you're overestimating Sosano'os defense and assuming that Naruto has to stand still when he attacks. Sasuke can't even follow Naruto's movement for him to do anything. If you want to compare them, see how long would it take Naruto to crush DSM Kabuto.

 

[Rike Senju]

Never said they were equal, just saying that they're close in strength, and that's it.

Close in strength? You gotta be kidding. Naruto solo'd almost half the war with his clones. Not to mention his chakra reserves far exceed sasuke's.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

1) Susanoo protects Sasuke from Naruto's speed
2) Those two panels above show you that there around the same size
3) KM clones would not be able to touch Sasuke with Susanoo protecting him. Also Sasuke could easily smother those Rasenshurikens with Amaterasu Magatama
4) If Naruto even tries using the chakra arms, then Sasuke hits them with Amaterasu

With that said, only the Bijuu bomb barrage would be able to automatically take out Sasuke, since the normal Bijuu bomb requires charge time.

1)I said that thier speed will make most of Sasuke's Susanoo techs useless
2)True maybe Karuma just a little bit bigger
3)Chakra arm pull him away then he gets defeated
4)the cloak is chakra he can just repel the chakra and amaterasu with it. And thanks for ignoring the other shadow clones attacking him.

 

[Kaneki Kun]

So my last post won the argument HOORAH!

 

[AlphaScythian]

I dont find naruto KCM clones to a threat to susanoo along with FRS rasengans or even small bijudamas. And i find it speculation for any1 to claim that it would get the job done w/e any proof.

Now we've seen madara's susanoo tank bijudama. It was small bijudama in comparison to that of naruto also it was bigger susanoo, thats all true.
But lets not neglect the fact that susanoo didnt receive any damage. Even the weakest part of madara's susanoo the swords werent damaged let alone broken.
On the other hand naruto was capable of tanking omfg beam/laser bijudama of juubi.

If i were to compare susanoo defence with BM kurama cloak, i would favour susanoo. The reason is that susanoo chakra is much denser, its practically solid/rigid. Going by common sense susanoo is more then kurama cloak in terms of defence.

To sum it up, there is a chance sasukes susanoo can even withstand continuous bijudamas. If he then will manage to outlast naruto's BM mode, sasuke can win.

Bring it on now

 

[Shadow Phantasm]

I dont find naruto KCM clones to a threat to susanoo along with FRS rasengans or even small bijudamas. And i find it speculation for any1 to claim that it would get the job done w/e any proof.

Now we've seen madara's susanoo tank bijudama. It was small bijudama in comparison to that of naruto also it was bigger susanoo, thats all true.
But lets not neglect the fact that susanoo didnt receive any damage. Even the weakest part of madara's susanoo the swords werent damaged let alone broken.
On the other hand naruto was capable of tanking omfg beam/laser bijudama of juubi.

If i were to compare susanoo defence with BM kurama cloak, i would favour susanoo. The reason is that susanoo chakra is much denser, its practically solid/rigid. Going by common sense susanoo is more then kurama cloak in terms of defence.

To sum it up, there is a chance sasukes susanoo can even withstand continuous bijudamas. If he then will manage to outlast naruto's BM mode, sasuke can win.

Bring it on now

Sasuke's susanoo is pretty durable I agree but can you imagine him getting perfect susano?If he gets that then he would be more than a match BM Naruto.

 

[Nicolas Cage]

I like how some people seem to forget that Amaterasu burns threw shit... that means if he hits the "all-mighty orange suit retard" he wins... you are welcome

 

[lordmadarauchiha]

Sasuke has more power up his sleeves

 

[Amaterasuice]

I like how you posted and came up with good arguments, but I see Naruto winning with mid dif as of now.

Just because Naruto has much more chakra.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Sasuke's susanoo is pretty durable I agree but can you imagine him getting perfect susano?If he gets that then he would be more than a match BM Naruto.

Its not what i was going for.
Narutos chakra cloak isnt much bigger then sasuke's susanoo, and surely smaller then PS, yet it tanked juubi attack along all others.
If some common sense i applied here is true, then sasuke's susanoo should be capable of same defence feats if not somewhat more.