Bijuu Naruto & EMS Sasuke Are Already Close in Strength

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Please actually take the time to read this thread please!!!
I'm not trying to be a Sasuke fanboy, In fact I don't even like Sasuke as a character, I perfer Naruto over Sasuke any day. But I'm just going to present facts straight from the manga on how Bijuu Naruto and EMS Sasuke are already close in strength, maybe not equal, but still close.

Fans often point out how Bijuu Naruto can easily stomp Sasuke's EMS Susanoo, but they were to take a good look at these two panels, they can see that Bijuu Mode and Sasuke's EMS Susanoo are actually close in size. Now I will admit that Bijuu Mode is a bit taller, but still close in size regardless.

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Now if these two were fight each other in just these two forms, then their movesets in these forms would determine how the fight would go.

Bijuu Mode

Three Bijuu Mode Shadow Clones
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Bijuu Bomb
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Rasengan
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Super Mini Bijuu Bomb
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Bijuu Bomb Barrage
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Double Rasenshuriken
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Chakra Arms
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EMS Susanoo

Amaterasu
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Amaterasu Sword
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Amaterasu Magatama
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If we were to take all of these moves into consideration, Sasuke actually has a counter for most of Bijuu Naruto's moves except for one.

Based on what we've seen in the manga, only the original can use the full-Kurama cloak, meaning that three clones would be limited to only using the Rasengan, Super Mini bijuu bomb, chakra arms, double rasenshuriken, and their immense speed. As shocking as it sounds, Sasuke's Susanoo has a counter for each of these.

For starters, the clones immense speed, just because their fast, doesn't mean that their speed will allow them to break through Susanoo's defense, it doesn't work like that. Now if these clones used the Rasengan or mini bijuu bomb, these attacks would at the very least cause minimal damage. Now the Rasenshurken, Sasuke could easily smother that with the Amaterasu Magatama since fire is superior to wind. If they used their chakra arms, then Sasuke could use Amaterasu to burn the them, then the flames would obviously spread onto the clones, thus dispersing them.

Now against the full-Kurama cloak, it's on a completely different level. If Naruto tried to use Kurama's tails as chakra arms to attack Sasuke, then Sasuke could easily swipe them away with his Amaterasu Sword, burning them in the process, then the black flames would then spread onto the Kurama cloak, putting Naruto in a very tight spot.

As for the Bijuu Bomb, if Naruto were to use that, he would need to take his time to charge it, we can't ignore that fact. That's why Naruto asked Killer Bee to cover them while he was charging his Bijuu bomb.
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So with that said, while Naruto is charging his Bijuu bomb, Sasuke would be able to take advantage of this charge time and use this as an opportunity to attack Naruto with the Amaterasu Magatama, the spread flames would then spread all over the Kurama cloak, which again, puts Naruto in a tight spot.

But, if Naruto were to use the Bijuu bomb barrage instead of the normal Bijuu bomb then he wins. They may be weaker,but they're strong enough to completely obliterate Sasuke, and since they require no charge time, Sasuke has no means of defense against that.

But even with all this said, until stated later in manga, Naruto still has that 8-minute time limit. I don't know how, but that may put Naruto at a major disadvantage against Sasuke. But he's obviously going to extend it, but until stated otherwise, we cannot assume that Naruto can now use Bijuu Mode for a long period of time.

So with all that said, EMS Sasuke and Bijuu Naruto are already close in strength. Maybe not equal but close because if Naruto uses the Bijuu bomb barrage right from the get go he wins, but if he doesn't, Sasuke will be giving him a run for his money.
 
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I'm not trying to be a Sasuke fanboy, In fact I don't even like Sasuke as a character, I perfer Naruto over Sasuke any day. But I'm just going to present facts straight from the manga on how Bijuu Naruto and EMS Sasuke are already close in strength, maybe not equal, but still close.

Fans often point out how Bijuu Naruto can easily stomp Sasuke's EMS Susanoo, but they were to take a good look at these two panels, they can see that Bijuu Mode and Sasuke's EMS Susanoo are actually close in size. Now I will admit that Bijuu Mode is a bit taller, but still close in size regardless.

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Now if these two were fight each other in just these two forms, then their movesets in these forms would determine how the fight would go.

Bijuu Mode

Three Bijuu Mode Shadow Clones
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Bijuu Bomb
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Rasengan
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Super Mini Bijuu Bomb
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Bijuu Bomb Barrage
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Double Rasenshuriken
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Chakra Arms
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EMS Susanoo

Amaterasu
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Amaterasu Magatama
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If we were to take all of these moves into consideration, Sasuke actually has a counter for most of Bijuu Naruto's moves except for one.

Based on what we've seen in the manga, only the original can use the full-Kurama cloak, meaning that three clones would be limited to only using the Rasengan, Super Mini bijuu bomb, chakra arms, double rasenshuriken, and their immense speed. As shocking as it sounds, Sasuke's Susanoo has a counter for each of these.

For starters, the clones immense speed, just because their fast, doesn't mean that their speed will allow them to break through Susanoo's defense, it doesn't work like that. Now if these clones used the Rasengan or mini bijuu bomb, these attacks would at the very least cause minimal damage. Now the Rasenshurken, Sasuke could easily smother that with the Amaterasu Magatama since fire is superior to wind. If they used their chakra arms, then Sasuke could use Amaterasu to burn the them, then the flames would obviously spread onto the clones, thus dispersing them.

Now against the full-Kurama cloak, it's on a completely different level. If Naruto tried to use Kurama's tails as chakra arms to attack Sasuke, then Sasuke could easily swipe them away with his Amaterasu Sword, burning them in the process, then the black flames would then spread onto the Kurama cloak, putting Naruto in a very tight spot.

As for the Bijuu Bomb, if Naruto were to use that, he would need to take his time to charge it, we can't ignore that fact. That's why Naruto asked Killer Bee to cover them while he was charging his Bijuu bomb.
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So with that said, while Naruto is charging his Bijuu bomb, Sasuke would be able to take advantage of this charge time and use this as an opportunity to attack Naruto with the Amaterasu Magatama, the spread flames would then spread all over the Kurama cloak, which again, puts Naruto in a tight spot.

But, if Naruto were to use the Bijuu bomb barrage instead of the normal Bijuu bomb then he wins. They may be weaker,but they're strong enough to completely obliterate Sasuke, and since they require no charge time, Sasuke has no means of defense against that.

But even with all this said, until stated later in manga, Naruto still has that 8-minute time limit. I don't know how, but that may put Naruto at a major disadvantage against Sasuke. But he's obviously going to extend it, but until stated otherwise, we cannot assume that Naruto can now use Bijuu Mode for a long period of time.

So with all that said, EMS Sasuke and Bijuu Naruto are already close in strength. Maybe not equal but close because if Naruto uses the Bijuu bomb barrage right from the get go he wins, but if he doesn't, Sasuke will be giving him a run for his money.

what about full complete naruto bijuu yin and yang with sage mode
 

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naruto BM mode=madara perfect susanoo>>>>sasuke susanoo
 

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Naruto will still probably win though, considering his Bijuu mode consists of chakra and not flesh (like Bee). The Amaterasu will only destroy the chakra which can be easily replaced.
 

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Naruto will still probably win though, considering his Bijuu mode consists of chakra and not flesh (like Bee). The Amaterasu will only destroy the chakra which can be easily replaced.

If he uses the bijuu bomb barrage from the get go yeah.
 

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I don't think Sasuke is even close actually, we still haven't see the power of his EMS.
 

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Naruto doesn't have that ability yet.

not yet, because minato took it away with reaper death seal and it will go back, full 9tails and sage mode will be very very powerful
and he would be able to use genutsu
 

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1)Naruto's speed makes most of Sasuke's Susanoo tech useless.
2)Biju mode is easily 3x bigger than Sasuke's Susanoo
3)Naruto can make many KM, BM, Sage mode, regular clones to all attack him. What will sasuke do with 5km clones chasing after him, while a Bm clone is preparing a TBB, while a couple SM coles do rasenshuriken, while regular Naruto clones do whatever they do best all happening at the same time?
4)Them chakra arms man they will reach after him. They can go underground and take him out of Susanoo.
But nice thread but in the end Naruto wins Midd diff at most.
 

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not yet, because minato took it away with reaper death seal and it will go back, full 9tails and sage mode will be very very powerful
and he would be able to use genutsu

Trust me, as much as I love to see that, we can only go by what we see in the manga as of now.
 

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Every time I think of Naruto vs. Sasuke I think of how Bee raped Sasuke at Unraikyo...

Sasuke seems to be pretty strong but I still think Naruto will defeat him.
 

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As of now Sasuke is nowhere close to Naruto.
 

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Let's not jump ahead to any conclusions on who's better and who's not, when we haven't even seen Sasuke show his potential with EMS. Still... Good thread. At least all Naruto fans aren't ignorant.
 

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Nice thread. I already figured that much myself, but nice job spreading the message.
In other words if sasuke had yata he would have good chance or they would tie :D
 

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Amaterasu wouldn't work on Kurama full cloak cuz it's made of chakra it's sort of solid( it can hit you) but then again it's not solid same as susanoo i guess (like you ccan use amaterasu on the inside of susanoo to hit the user but you cant really hit susanoo with amaterasu)
 

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1)Naruto's speed makes most of Sasuke's Susanoo tech useless.
2)Biju mode is easily 3x bigger than Sasuke's Susanoo
3)Naruto can make many KM, BM, Sage mode, regular clones to all attack him. What will sasuke do with 5km clones chasing after him, while a Bm clone is preparing a TBB, while a couple SM coles do rasenshuriken, while regular Naruto clones do whatever they do best all happening at the same time?
4)Them chakra arms man they will reach after him. They can go underground and take him out of Susanoo.
But nice thread but in the end Naruto wins Midd diff at most.

1) Susanoo protects Sasuke from Naruto's speed
2) Those two panels above show you that there around the same size
3) KM clones would not be able to touch Sasuke with Susanoo protecting him. Also Sasuke could easily smother those Rasenshurikens with Amaterasu Magatama
4) If Naruto even tries using the chakra arms, then Sasuke hits them with Amaterasu

With that said, only the Bijuu bomb barrage would be able to automatically take out Sasuke, since the normal Bijuu bomb requires charge time.
 

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No, he might be soon but as of right now. No.
 
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