TheTailedSage(Tsunade) vs Zexion333(Hidan)

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

No Restrictions
Distance:30m
Location:Training Field
Knowledge-Manga knowledge
Judges-Myself,DrProof and Naruto9001
First two to post will be judges

 

[DrProof]

I'm a judge because I said I am.

 

[Naruto9001]

Can I judge? I've never been a judge before.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Ok let me start this off

Giving the distance for starters this gives tsunade an instant advantage for the simple fact that she has time to do a multitude of this, summoning katsuya being one of them, she could also have a chance to analys the situation and ways to put him down before they engage in close combat. It was stated by hidan himself that he is the least skilled and slowest member of akatsuki

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Hidans immortality

Yes hidan is invincible in the sense that if he gets hit he doesn't die however this doesn't mean that he can't feel pain and that he doesn't have weak points. If hidans head is knocked of his shoulders then he can't move his body and kunai can still go through him so I'm guessing that katsuyas acid can still burn through him. With katsuya on the field Tsunade will have even more of an advantage since there would be two opponants on the field and tsunade is known for her superhuman strength and tactics (thus her becoming hokage in the first place). If tsunade pulls off body pathway derangment and paralyzes hidan then he's a sitting duck, as I am aware hidan still needs his brain so if that were to be detatched from his head or melted, then that's a instant win.

Ritual

The chances of hidan even catching tsunade with the syth is minimal but let's just say he does catch her, she already knows what he is capable of and will destroy the ground so the circle can not be formed. Even if he did somehow miraclously pulled of the ritual there is no proof it would kill her, right now she is cut in half and still able to summon and talk; but like I said giving the experience and intel difference, tsunade is far mor superior.

Hidan also makes rash decisions, for example he took kakazus blood instead of shikamarus blood. Now if shikamaru is pulling a trick like this off then tsunade is more than capeable to trap or get hidan in some sort of situation that puts his limbs in order. Also just remember if hidans limbs are detatched then in this case they cannot be re-attached and tsuande can use this knowledge to her advantage and handicap him from the start.


We also have to remember that encaving him is also an effective stategy since it has already worked in the manga; with tsunades strength she can easily smash the ground and cause. Massive chaunks of the ground the be crushed, thus giving her move of an advantage.

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We also have to remember that encaving him is also an effective stategy since it has already worked in the manga; with tsunades strength she can easily smash the ground and cause. Massive chunks of the ground the be crushed, thus giving her move of an advantage.

If 100 tags was able to de-limb hidan then tsunades raw strength is more than capable to shatter his limbs and if not bones. Also hidans cocky personality will also seal his fate. He will have so much confidence that he will forget that his foe is not any ordinary foe and try to go straight in for the kill.

 

[Medical Sage Tsunade]

This is so lame she laughs at him then punch his head off.

 

[Zexion~]

Oh god i didnt know we were actually Debating but alright Ill Put My Opening Up when im done celebrating Easter lmao

 

[Zexion~]

Alright First Just because Hidan Said That He was the least Skilled And Slowest Member Of the akatsuki Does not make it true .. And even if it did everyone in the akatsuki is extremly fast and has a high speed rating in the data book ( except maybe zetsu and konan .. have not checked) So being the slowest of the group does not make hidan Slow in general.

Also Hidan Only Having A slight Chance To Get a Hit off ??

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How is tsunade going to get a punch off when being thrown At with that... In order for her to even throw a punch And hit hidan she would have to be caught by the scythe which giving Tsunade's Healing powers is not a big deal... BUT that one Injury is enough to get hidan The blood He needs And seeing how one punch from tsunade would not Break Hidan

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Because he has clearly Shown he can handle Pain that would make a normal Man Drop.. So the punch From tsunade would not finish him .. And he would be able to retreat to his diagram ( which he draws BEFORE battle) and once in there tsunade cant do anything .. If She Tries To Hit hidan while he is in the diagram she will be hit as well...

Katsuyu
Katsuyu May be the worst offensive Summon there is what did she do During the sannin fight besides get caught by manda.. Nothing And her verry few attacks are Slow and weak.

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hidan has evasive Feats however And was able to attack even while evading the quite fast shadow stitching Jutsu .... So not only should he be able to evade her attacks but he could even throw his scythe in the process Aiming it at tsunade whether she be on the ground or on katsuyu ....

Also regards To your Tsunade breaking the diagram argument.. She has no idea what it does so she wouldnt bother to break it .. and if she tried to after hidan got the blood she would hit hidan in the process = Hitting herself as well


*edit shikamaru is a better Analyst then Tsunade is .. no doubt

 

[TheTailedSage]

Alright First Just because Hidan Said That He was the least Skilled And Slowest Member Of the akatsuki Does not make it true .. And even if it did everyone in the akatsuki is extremly fast and has a high speed rating in the data book ( except maybe zetsu and konan .. have not checked) So being the slowest of the group does not make hidan Slow in general.

Also Hidan Only Having A slight Chance To Get a Hit off ??

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How is tsunade going to get a punch off when being thrown At with that... In order for her to even throw a punch And hit hidan she would have to be caught by the scythe which giving Tsunade's Healing powers is not a big deal... BUT that one Injury is enough to get hidan The blood He needs And seeing how one punch from tsunade would not Break Hidan

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Because he has clearly Shown he can handle Pain that would make a normal Man Drop.. So the punch From tsunade would not finish him .. And he would be able to retreat to his diagram ( which he draws BEFORE battle) and once in there tsunade cant do anything .. If She Tries To Hit hidan while he is in the diagram she will be hit as well...

Katsuyu
Katsuyu May be the worst offensive Summon there is what did she do During the sannin fight besides get caught by manda.. Nothing And her verry few attacks are Slow and weak.

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hidan has evasive Feats however And was able to attack even while evading the quite fast shadow stitching Jutsu .... So not only should he be able to evade her attacks but he could even throw his scythe in the process Aiming it at tsunade whether she be on the ground or on katsuyu ....

Also regards To your Tsunade breaking the diagram argument.. She has no idea what it does so she wouldnt bother to break it .. and if she tried to after hidan got the blood she would hit hidan in the process = Hitting herself as well


*edit shikamaru is a better Analyst then Tsunade is .. no doubt

He did not only say he's the slowest but he has lived up to his statements as far as we have seen. Shikamaru throughout that part of shippuden didn't show any form of impressive speed feats and was on parr with hidan in speed. On top of that shikamaru was able to outwit hidan.

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Tsunade may not be as good as shikamaru in regards to battle analysis but she too has been able to analyse and pick out openings. Her and the susano'o clone is a prime example; not only did she find a way to get that close and hit it but it brake and as we both know madaras susano'o is one of the strongest in NV (even though it was a clone it was a mokubushin which has proven to be a durable element). If she managed to break that susano'o clone then stopping her from decapitating hidans head or any of his limbs for that matter.

What you fail to remember is that they both have knowledge on eachother in this fight so she knows all about hidans ritual so she won't recklessly hit hidan that is IF she is cut. Furthermore if his syth is that much of a problem then tsunade is more than capable of dispelling him of it. She could even use body pathway derngment to confuse hidan (giving his current IQ it will take him a long time to figure out how to move his body)and then either melt his head/body with katsuyas acid or destroy his brain physically. Its been stated that hidan can't move his body without it being attatched to his head which mean his brain is still as important to his as it is us. If its crushed it may even kill him.

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here you will see kabuto state that he couldn't form a chakra scapel strong enough to cut the arteries but tsunade asks WHY he didn't; this implies that she can do the chakra scapels to a higher level due to perfect chakra control and experience. She can use this to rip hidans muscles thus him not able to even hold any weapons.


Katsuya

You also underestimate katsuyas abilities, for a slug katsuya is rather fast as ridiculous as it may seemhttp://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/425/13 now katsuya can divide into smaller slugs and invade the battle field thus giving tsunade the advantage. Katsuya can either stick onto hidan and spit acid onto him OR absorb him into her body and crush him. Hell she could even pin hidan down once she's attatched to him leaving the dirty work for tsunade. Katsuyas original size is as big if not bigger than gamabata and has a radius advantage over hidan.

Also since tsunade can shatter the ground with her full power punches this can either destroy the ritual circle or make it harder for hidan to walk on the battle field (loose his footing)

 

[Medical Sage Tsunade]

Lmao this thread

 

[TheTailedSage]

Lmao this thread

Could you not comment pointless things here please I'm asking polietly its disrespectful to interupt an official debate

 

[Zexion~]

Damn in a huge rush will read your statement tommorow morning and counter after school ..

 

[Zexion~]

Well for starters the knowledge the two opponents have of each other is manga knowledge tsunade knew nothing Of Hidan in the manga.

And all your statements for katsuyu being able to separate and spit acid with each individual Slug, and absorb the enemy is pire speculation.

Shikamaru was never able to Keep up with hidan speed wise his shadows Were able to barley but not him personally. And you said tsunade Would be able to Disarm the scythe .. One you never said how and two Even if she did he is attached to it so he could easily get it back.

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Body derangment Jutsu Wouls Be annoying But Once Again She Would Have to hit him with it and you never countered How she would throw a hit off with this coming at her

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And although Hidan was not the smartest Akatsuki ... Finding Out Which signal from your brain activates which part of your body does not take too much Intelligence For you could simply use trial and error ..


Hidan can easily grab blood from tsunade seeing how tsunade has to come close to hidan in order to do anything . since katsuyu is not a factor here. And fighting Up close with hidan is a dangerous thing .. Hidan easily aquires Blood And activates the ritual ending the match

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Tomorrow is the final day then us judges will make our decision.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Well for starters the knowledge the two opponents have of each other is manga knowledge tsunade knew nothing Of Hidan in the manga.

And all your statements for katsuyu being able to separate and spit acid with each individual Slug, and absorb the enemy is pire speculation.

Shikamaru was never able to Keep up with hidan speed wise his shadows Were able to barley but not him personally. And you said tsunade Would be able to Disarm the scythe .. One you never said how and two Even if she did he is attached to it so he could easily get it back.

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Body derangment Jutsu Wouls Be annoying But Once Again She Would Have to hit him with it and you never countered How she would throw a hit off with this coming at her

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And although Hidan was not the smartest Akatsuki ... Finding Out Which signal from your brain activates which part of your body does not take too much Intelligence For you could simply use trial and error ..


Hidan can easily grab blood from tsunade seeing how tsunade has to come close to hidan in order to do anything . since katsuyu is not a factor here. And fighting Up close with hidan is a dangerous thing .. Hidan easily aquires Blood And activates the ritual ending the match

True but your forgetting she knows enough about akatsuki to know that they pose a big enough threat so she's not going to start off lightly. So your basically at she can't spit acid if she's been split up? What exactly is stopping her from doing so? That's like saying madara can't use shinra tensei bechavent seen him use it; I don't see anything stopping katsuya from doing that and even if she can't spit acid my statement about her pinning hidan down still remains, and givng her current speed and sheer number I don't see that impossible to accomplish. Like I said before katsuya in original form is huge and can over whelm hidan in radius and size

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if hidan tries to escape then katsuya is there to either spit acid up at hidan or absorb him in thus crushing him

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the fact that shikamaru was able to come into close combat without getting hit by hidan just proves my point that tsunade can surely engage in close combat without getting hit as her taijutsu ability far exceeds shikamarus
Hidan as shown here is shown not to use his syth this may be because shika was too close to him in order for him to get a full swing in and tsunade isso movement of his troublesome syth will be minimal.

During combat any fatal punch to wheather it be his chest or arm WILL cause him to drop the syth and here's why, because of body pathway derangment or just a normal superhuman punch from tsunade will cause hidan to feel the pain even though he may like it the nerves will cause him to drop it. We have seen that hidans limbs can be easily detatched and that kaksu had to put them back on; in this fight he doesn't have that luxury so if she takes off a limb its looking rough for hidan. It matters not if hidan is attached to it. Narutos attatched to his shinobi headband but if it drops he doesn't go and run back for it. Hidan wasn't even using his syth against shika because shikamaru made him drop it. He didn't panic and run back trying to look for it he carried on fighting.

In the scan u showed me of hidan attacking kakashi was only a distraction, a trap if you will but because of both hidan and kakazu on his back it put him under pressure. This is a completely different scenario so tll be hand down focused on hidans movements which means she can either. Punch the flat side of the syth down or escape it exactly how kakashi did (which is unknown but given the cirucumstances for tsunade its should be easier to escape it since its only hidan by himself).

Hidan takes advantage of the fact that he's immortal and will think that he can risk getting hit by tsunade since he likes pain and 'can't die' so even his personality and arrogance gives him a downfall. Just like kabuto his cockyness will get the better of him and he will let his gaurd down and even if he didn't saying a sanin won't hit hidan not even once is ridiculous. Tsunade will realise that normal non super punches won't hurt him she will discover even faster than asuma...

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that his head is the best option. Even though in this scan he's stuck body derangment confuses him longenough for tsunade to take evasive action.

If anything katsuya makes her job much easier. Katsuya clones across the field makes work much eaisier. Like I stated higher up in my argument it won't be easy to get blood off her

 

[Obito3631]

Hidan never said he was the slowest, he only said his attacks were the slowest, yet they're still fast enough that Asuma wasn't able to dodge them. Considering Asuma wasnt able to dodge his scythe with 4.5 in speed, Tsunade who is slower with 3.5 in speed doesn't stand a chance.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Hidan never said he was the slowest, he only said his attacks were the slowest, yet they're still fast enough that Asuma wasn't able to dodge them. Considering Asuma wasnt able to dodge his scythe with 4.5 in speed, Tsunade who is slower with 3.5 in speed doesn't stand a chance.

You rely too much on the databook its false and contradicts itself. It said tsunade and itachi both have 5 in ninjutsu and itachi and oro both have 5 in gen. Analys the battle on manga feats not the damn databook (won't comment back to ya because debate is almost over)

 

[Obito3631]

You rely too much on the databook its false and contradicts itself. It said tsunade and itachi both have 5 in ninjutsu and itachi and oro both have 5 in gen. Analys the battle on manga feats not the damn databook (won't comment back to ya because debate is almost over)

I dont see whats wrong about Tsunade and Itachi both having 5 in ninjutsu, theyre both skilled in that field.
The genjutsu part is different as genjutsu implies having vast knowledge on genjutsu in general, being good at breaking it and of course doing it, speed is just speed no matter how you look at it.

The databook is considered as a fact and it cant be contradicted, also, according to manga feats tsunade's speed is still as mediocre.

 

[Zexion~]

First of Body Derangment Doesnt just happen whenever tsunade lands a hit she has to actually use the jutsu . One punch to hidan would not finish him it would not even slow him down ( besides the fact that he would be sent flying) He would just get up laughing. And like i showed Dropping his scythe means nothing he has the pointy sticks lol and he has the metal rope attached to the Scythe and could eaily bring it back. Even if in the scan i showed hidan was a distraction he can still move his scythe that fast Even kakashi with the sharingan could not Get Hit him what gives tsunade who is not known for her speed any chance?..

And Katsuyu's acid can be dodged

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it may look like she has a wide range but it is scattered and with holes in the middle so hidan could dodge it By either reverting to the holes in the Acid or just taking a little bit because just a little amount would do nothing . Right down to it this fight would come down to a hand to hand combat up close and personal ... And hidan's Agility and evasiveness Would eventualy lead him to Extracting a sample of tsunade's Blood . it would most likely Come down to a mid ranged attack with the scythe such as

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And we all know once he gets blood it is over for tsunade.

And tsunade only knew about itachi and kisame's abilities ... for she did not know who the shinobi were when they attacked the Monks palace... and when shikamaru was going over the akatsuki roster he did not know hidan and kakuzu even existed

 

[Izuna Kakashi Senju]

Ok the debate is over I will notify the other judges and will make my decision later.

 

[Fecal Matter]

This is so lame she laughs at him then punch his head off.

Please use logical statements instead of fan gurling. neg.