Tobirama the cause of all the problem

[Aten]

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You were saying? You honestly believe Tobirama didn't pass down his way of thinking and tactics to Danzou and the 3rd Hokage?Even though the 3rd was a lot more sympathetic to the Uchiha while Danzou followed Tobirama's guideline to the fullest...

Smh... dude those are 2 sets of teams that join. That is not team Tobirama as a whole. Tobirama had a 3 men team not a six men. Tobirama didn't train danzo. Danzo is not a apart team Tobirama.

 

[King-Panda]

Ok the coup d'etat thing was his fault. Every body knows that. Even the manga clearly reveals that. But you can't say the everything that was brought upon ninja by madara was Tobirama's fault for simply not trusting madara. That's stupid. Your thread can't support that.

Look it up. Danzo not apart of team Tobirama. Danzo team join Tobirama team on the mission but danzo never was on team Tobirama

If it wasnt the coup d'etat Itachi wouldnt habe to exterminate hsibclan and libe a.life of such pain, he and sasuke. So indirectly, tobirama caused the extermination of the uchiha...

because of what he was telling hashirama, Madara that was going.on the right way, apparently changed his paths because of him... dtherefore the 4th ninja.war occured, tobi, etc

 

[Aten]

If it wasnt the coup d'etat Itachi wouldnt habe to exterminate hsibclan and libe a.life of such pain, he and sasuke. So indirectly, tobirama caused the extermination of the uchiha...

because of what he was telling hashirama, Madara that was going.on the right way, apparently changed his paths because of him... dtherefore the 4th ninja.war occured, tobi, etc

You can't point the finger of blame on Tobirama. Remember it took the people of the village to choose their leader.Uchiha clan didn't trust Madara. Tobirama wasn't the only cause of Madara leaving the village. He wasn't the one who made a decision to say who can be hokage and who can't. Tobirama told Hashirama that he can't just choose the leader of the village, he have to let the people decide. Understand that the village as a whole chose Hashirama, not Tobirama. Tobirama only has a lack of trusting Madara. Also the Uchiha clan was apart of why he left the village. They didn't trust him as much as Tobirama and the rest of the village. Smh you have to pay attention to the chapter

 

[shelke]

I love it how the courtesy of being over-emotional, hatred, general whiny attitude is lent to Tobirama just because he is a Senju. Must be a masturbatory effect. The guy never wanted peace and how ironic that the things he preaches about like peace, democracy; he topples them himself.

 

[Aten]

I love it how the courtesy of being over-emotional, hatred, general whiny attitude is lent to Tobirama just because he is a Senju. Must be a masturbatory effect. The guy never wanted peace and how ironic that the things he preaches about like peace, democracy; he topples them himself.

Smh...Tobirama put himself above the village and he was striking a PEACE treaty with the second raikage. Just because he didn't trust the Uchiha doesn't mean he was not about peace. You don't trust strangers but I assume you a person of peace... people shouldn't judge nobody just because they have a lack of trust of someone else

 

[shelke]

Smh...Tobirama put himself above the village and he was striking a PEACE treaty with the second raikage. Just because he didn't trust the Uchiha doesn't mean he was not about peace. You don't trust strangers but I assume you a person of peace... people shouldn't judge nobody just because they have a lack of trust of someone else

Peace treaty with Raikage was obviously formed for foreign relations. This is not even a valid argument. I am talking about internal peace policies. The guy fails here.

 

[SuperFlyzzED]

Peace treaty with Raikage was obviously formed for foreign relations. This is not even a valid argument. I am talking about internal peace policies. The guy fails here.

What do you think of Tobirama so far?

 

[shelke]

What do you think of Tobirama so far?

Pretty much a paradox. His ideals conflict with his actions. Simply put; the guy is a hypocrite, is unable to put things behind him, didn't endeavour to work towards peace, didn't earn anyone's trust.

 

[Zato]

Smh... dude those are 2 sets of teams that join. That is not team Tobirama as a whole. Tobirama had a 3 men team not a six men. Tobirama didn't train danzo. Danzo is not a apart team Tobirama.

What are you talking about. What does Danzou sharing Tobirama's ideals have anything to do with Tobirama training him in the first place? He followed Tobirama's order more so then Hiruzen. As you can see Sarutobi and Danzou both trained under Hashirama and Tobirama. It was even stated earlier in the manga. Also, stop saying all this crap about 2 teams. They are a joint team on a mission so you can't say who is with who because all 6 are under Tobirama's command. Yes in Konoha he isn't apart of team Tobirama but that doesn't mean he still didn't learn anything from the 2nd Hokage. If that was the case then where is the head of his team during this war...

 

[Aten]

Pretty much a paradox. His ideals conflict with his actions. Simply put; the guy is a hypocrite, is unable to put things behind him, didn't endeavour to work towards peace, didn't earn anyone's trust.

Obviously the third hokage is proof that he pass down his brother's will to the village. It even says it and the first databooks that Tobirama inherited Hashirama's will. You can't judge Tobirama just because he had a lack of trust for madara. I believe he was a man of peace

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Don't put me in a category, I never said Sasuke wasn't in right to avenge his clan I have called Danzo a scumbag for wiping out Uchihas Tobirama did nothing close to that he had a problem with 1 guy and even that guys own clan turn their backs so go boo hoo to some dumb n**ga that can't read between the lines

Tobirama is the problem, That is as clear as day, It's funny because the set up in this chapter is a classic; two people are friends and the 3rd person has to ruin it.
you can shove the boo hoo crap too, cause i do nothing of the sort.

 

[Aten]

What are you talking about. What does Danzou sharing Tobirama's ideals have anything to do with Tobirama training him in the first place? He followed Tobirama's order more so then Hiruzen. As you can see Sarutobi and Danzou both trained under Hashirama and Tobirama. It was even stated earlier in the manga. Also, stop saying all this crap about 2 teams. They are a joint team on a mission so you can't say who is with who because all 6 are under Tobirama's command.

Dude danzo was never trained by the first and second. Only hiruzen. Tobirama never spread ideas of not trusting the Uchiha. Look up team Tobirama. There's clear facts that danzo was never apart of team Tobirama . The reason I'm bringing up the team is because a ninja learns from they sensei. Some ninja carries the will of they sensei. Tobirama is not danzo sensei. Once again danzo never was trained under the first and second hokage. It never stated it buddy

 

[Jukain]

naaa Tobirama was a bad ass that speaks the truth. Hes a realist, and he wouldnt have murdered all the Uchiha, Madara was being parinod.
Tobirama did not mess anything up, Madara was just to catious and parinod.

 

[naruttebayo]

it's uchiha's uncontrolled emo to blame
tobi did what he see fit

 

[Tartarus]

it's uchiha's uncontrolled emo to blame
tobi did what he see fit

most of the Uchiha were fiercely loyal to konoha, so I'm not sure what you're getting at

 

[naruttebayo]

most of the Uchiha were fiercely loyal to konoha, so I'm not sure what you're getting at

loyal but emo at times and overreacting .
especially powerful ones
obito
sasuke
madara

itachi is an exeption though .

 

[Tartarus]

loyal but emo at times and overreacting .
especially powerful ones
obito
sasuke
madara

itachi is an exeption though .

Yeah there are evil Uchiha, but there are evil people that come from every clan. Even after the Uchiha massacre, Naruto was changing Sasuke until Itachi showed up again.

 

[Great Sage of Uchiha]

Yeah there are evil Uchiha, but there are evil people that come from every clan. Even after the Uchiha massacre, Naruto was changing Sasuke until Itachi showed up again.

Very true

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[Kronnic]

Yes blame it all on Tobirama.

-40,000 Shinobi dead as result of 4th Ninja War
-Thousands dead after Kyuubi attack on Konoha
-Thousands dead after Bloody Mist era.

Hell lets blame the 3 other wars on Tobirama too. All that rape, pillage, and slaughter. Just blame it on Tobirama.

He's obviously the worst person ever.

Agreed... Some of these guys are just blowing hot air.. Years of fighting and killing off each others and he is suppose to trust him that easy? Would you? Tobirama was being a realist.

 

[Uzumaki Kurama kun]

Whilst it's harsh to blame just one guy, Tobirama did cause all of the problems:

It was his attitude that caused Madara to leave the village. It's rubbish to say Madara was being over-senstive and all the other uchiha's didn't trust him either, becaues they did not know what he knew. Tobirama did not respect his brother's wishes of making madara hokage and was just massively unpleasant. It was clear to Madara that Tobirama would become the 2nd hokage and what would follow from that - and guess what... he was right.

It was Tobirama that started all the tension with the Uchiha by sticking them in a ghetto and making them the police. It was his actions that led to the Uchiha massacre.

It was Tobirama that developped edo tense... which has really worked out well for the shinobi world.

It was Tobirama that taught Hiruzen and Danzo... and clearly explains where Danzo's bad attitude comes from.

On the up side, he's not responsible for AIDS and cancer.