[Discussion] Life & Death

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hello all ma NB members, i got a lil thread idea i wanna put together. i had come a crossed an article, or overheard a convo, or w/e it was today at work that basically revolved around life and death. i immediately had an inner reflection/ convo with myself about the matter in my head. years ago, i use to be afraid of death. i wouldn't eat, i wouldn't sleep, i just thought about death all the time. i didn't wanna die, and as a kid i couldn't figure out a way to stop it. my mom started to worry after telling her what was going on, so she had me meet with a psychiatrist twice a week. blah blah blah to make a long story short, eventually i got over the fear.....
actually, i kinda went in the complete opposite direction with it. some few years back, in my early adulthood, i went through an extremely rough patch. i was an alcoholic and heavily depressed. i had brought myself to a dark place, where i honestly welcomed death with open arms. i flourished in convo's concerning it, and even researched a lot about death. i was ready and willing to die without any cause at all.
after a while, the feeling and sentiment for death had passed, and i had come to understand and accept death, just as equally as i have life. i have written all this today to post a few theories on the meaning of life and death, and to ask you all a question.
i have come full circle on the topic of these two and i have convinced myself that my theory is how it is, but i also had thought up another plausible one earlier today.

theory #1= i personally feel like life as a whole, each and everyone, is a combination lock essentially. to achieve the right combination to segments, we have to do things the right way or achieve certain goals that our souls were assigned. if we do not fulfill these tasks completely or sufficiently, then we receive the wrong combination for that segment of the lock. at some point in time, these incorrect segments will come back around in a new form for us to attempt to complete again. only in the completion of this combination lock, are our souls allowed their freedom. if we should pass before the lock is completed, then your soul is doomed to return to this plane to live out the same life yet again.

theory#2= in the same concept of ghost running around haunting the living because they have unfinished business, what if we were the wandering souls with unfinished business? our physical bodies,senses, and everything around us is something we have collectively fabricated through thought. what if we have to completed something in order for use to be released from this plane? in saying that, what if death really isn't death? we've created a stigma about the soul leaving the body that horrifies the masses. but what if that's what we want and don't remember it? what if death...is actually our souls coming into the life we are meant to be in? for all we know this could be a practice run or something.

so, my question to each and every one of my base mates, is what are your views/theories on life and death?


*This is not a thread about arguing religion or anything of the sorts. if you believe in any kind of religion, that is your prerogative. i would appreciate it if the posts contained in this thread do not consist one religion bashing another. thank you all
 

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... so if you think your life is ... complete confusion ... and you never win the game ... just remember that ... it's a grand illusion ... deep inside we're all the same ... *guitar solo* xd
 

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Well, death and life work together to maintain equilibrium.

We ourselves were born to keep the ecosystem in balance. Nothing more; nothing less. By chance, our species have evolved such a self-awareness of our own existance that we are able to learn and explore the universe. It's quite beautiful actually, but knowledge itself is dangerous. Knowing you're alive let's you know you will die.
 

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I see life as a mere passage way in which we simply experience, love, learn and then move on to ...another reality?
 

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Well, death and life work together to maintain equilibrium.

We ourselves were born to keep the ecosystem in balance. Nothing more; nothing less. By chance, our species have evolved such a self-awareness of our own existance that we are able to learn and explore the universe. It's quite beautiful actually, but knowledge itself is dangerous. Knowing you're alive let's you know you will die.

interesting point. i've never thought of things this way yet, i agree with you in a way.
 

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ladies and gentlemen, i am leaving work as of now and i will return as soon as i get home. feel free to carry on the discussion without me. i will attempt to reply to each and everyone of you when i do. thank you.
 

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LIfe and Death are the same I feel. Religion gives people words , but that has nothing to do with spirituality. The meaning cant really be defined by living being since you are alive, when your dead I cant really speak on that , but the way I see it is the literal sense.
You live so your going to die, however after you die you could live again.. Its only knowledge that dying is a change in form, once you expire you don't necessarily retire.
 

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For me, I believe we live too protect, and evolve. Evolve to protect better and bring progress to those that cannot protect as well as us... And evolve into creatures that protect the universe eventually.

Remember: ware protection! (Have your pets spake or neutered--etc.)

Think I meant too add more... Then mother came to bother meh. Will update if I remember.
 

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When you live you have a timer that continues to get lower and once it hits 0 you die. You can make it tick slower or faster based on your decisions. Regardless you will die and worrying about it won't change anything. Just live your life, don't seek death and you will be fine.
 

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We're here on earth only for a time (30-40-80 years) and during that time we have a life experience .Some are beggar at Bombay, some are billionar at Beverly Hills.And with the package of start what he do with it?Why one is rich and the other is poor?Because each one have its test, his experience of life.Every soul received an experience of life and in final there is a judgement about what you did of your life and if we dig a bit about what's happend in the world (war,injustices,hiroshima,nagazaki etc).
a lot of people are very hurried to say "War of religion" whereas in final we do war for power and money.

Finally the problem is that there are people who choosed to bet on this life and are ready for everything to have power on everything.and they are people who are above people like Bill gates,Warren buffet etc...they are in a spiritual optic.they have enough money to live 100 generations it's not a story of money they have gold,money,ground,casinosn they're in every fields.If one collapses the other is riding.Like for exemple the enocomy stagnates but gold is ridding.they always find themself but they are in a spiritual dominance.it goes through the establishment of slavery, the beast (us according to them).They see us like that.For exemple number 45087 to put an electric meter,social security number,we represent a value.It's modern slavery but we are emballed in democracy to make it acceptable to people otherwize people would revolt.There we vote for peoples that are all agree between themself in generale.

There is no solution for imediat result on this life, we can only do individual choices and be responsable of ourself.
Can we find peace on this earth? Maybe when human will deserve it.At the moment we don't deserve it look how is everything the pollution,man/woment relations,the children that are formated in school etc...

Look in Japan if they failled at study they failled their life, that's why there is the most suicide in Japan, it's big culture Japan but since the 2 atomic bombs they put their feet in modern capitalism (jungle laws) and we see results.Decadent society,population getting older etc..
If we decide to be part of the good people we must accept to do it for a creator that will judge it and not for a result.
because if you're honnest,moral,respectable in this world you are loser because this world is based on inverse for exemple we must be ambitious,greedy,lier,manipulator like in marketing.How will i force you to buy this product? despite you don't need it i need to creat this need.The world is governed by these value.

The moment that we pass on earth is an unique experience, if people had this sensation that it's an unique experience they'd do all to be part of the good people.but people says themself either it's not unique experience or i can repair the damages later,poeple take it too lightly.For exemple with polution.If people were conscious that we had only 1 earth they'd act otherwise and when it will be ****ed it will be ****ed .But There the people are in the Wallt disney syndrome we even see that with economy .Basically we let the debt at my children and so...

There is a great individualism .This individualism has been feed by the education that we received for make us savage capitalists.Union isn't good for capitalism for exemple man/women relations.They're happy of all these divorces.When madame quit with childrens,avocat,she'll rent an other apartment,new assurance,new electric meter etc...read "the fable of the bees" you can find on google.It says that vice ,disunity is very good for economy.And a moral , united,solidary society that doesn't damage the nature is very bad for economy.
 
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life and death are equal and are needed to maintain balance in a chaotic darkened world
thank you for your input friend. did you right this quote yourself?

LIfe and Death are the same I feel. Religion gives people words , but that has nothing to do with spirituality. The meaning cant really be defined by living being since you are alive, when your dead I cant really speak on that , but the way I see it is the literal sense.
You live so your going to die, however after you die you could live again.. Its only knowledge that dying is a change in form, once you expire you don't necessarily retire.
thanx for your post luv, i enjoyed your words. i've been meaning to talk to you via vm when your free too...

For me, I believe we live too protect, and evolve. Evolve to protect better and bring progress to those that cannot protect as well as us... And evolve into creatures that protect the universe eventually.

Remember: ware protection! (Have your pets spake or neutered--etc.)

Think I meant too add more... Then mother came to bother meh. Will update if I remember.
could we really be here for such a simplistic task? i mean i dont think our thought processes would be so complex for something so straight foward.

When you live you have a timer that continues to get lower and once it hits 0 you die. You can make it tick slower or faster based on your decisions. Regardless you will die and worrying about it won't change anything. Just live your life, don't seek death and you will be fine.
makes sense. what are your views on the afterlife then?

We're here on earth only for a time (30-40-80 years) and during that time we have a life experience .Some are beggar at Bombay, some are billionar at Beverly Hills.And with the package of start what he do with it?Why one is rich and the other is poor?Because each one have its test, his experience of life.Every soul received an experience of life and in final there is a judgement about what you did of your life and if we dig a bit about what's happend in the world (war,injustices,hiroshima,nagazaki etc).
a lot of people are very hurried to say "War of religion" whereas in final we do war for power and money.

Finally the problem is that there are people who choosed to bet on this life and are ready for everything to have power on everything.and they are people who are above people like Bill gates,Warren buffet etc...they are in a spiritual optic.they have enough money to live 100 generations it's not a story of money they have gold,money,ground,casinosn they're in every fields.If one collapses the other is riding.Like for exemple the enocomy stagnates but gold is ridding.they always find themself but they are in a spiritual dominance.it goes through the establishment of slavery, the beast (us according to them).They see us like that.For exemple number 45087 to put an electric meter,social security number,we represent a value.It's modern slavery but we are emballed in democracy to make it acceptable to people otherwize people would revolt.There we vote for peoples that are all agree between themself in generale.

There is no solution for imediat result on this life, we can only do individual choices and be responsable of ourself.
Can we find peace on this earth? Maybe when human will deserve it.At the moment we don't deserve it look how is everything the pollution,man/woment relations,the children that are formated in school etc...

Look in Japan if they failled at study they failled their life, that's why there is the most suicide in Japan, it's big culture Japan but since the 2 atomic bombs they put their feet in modern capitalism (jungle laws) and we see results.Decadent society,population getting older etc..
If we decide to be part of the good people we must accept to do it for a creator that will judge it and not for a result.
because if you're honnest,moral,respectable in this world you are loser because this world is based on inverse for exemple we must be ambitious,greedy,lier,manipulator like in marketing.How will i force you to buy this product? despite you don't need it i need to creat this need.The world is governed by these value.

The moment that we pass on earth is an unique experience, if people had this sensation that it's an unique experience they'd do all to be part of the good people.but people says themself either it's not unique experience or i can repair the damages later,poeple take it too lightly.For exemple with polution.If people were conscious that we had only 1 earth they'd act otherwise and when it will be ****ed it will be ****ed .But There the people are in the Wallt disney syndrome we even see that with economy .Basically we let the debt at my children and so...

There is a great individualism .This individualism has been feed by the education that we received for make us savage capitalists.Union isn't good for capitalism for exemple man/women relations.They're happy of all these divorces.When madame quit with childrens,avocat,she'll rent an other apartment,new assurance,new electric meter etc...read "the fable of the bees" you can find on google.It says that vice ,disunity is very good for economy.And a moral , united,solidary society that doesn't damage the nature is very bad for economy.
wow.... thank you for your very descriptive reply. i enjoyed all parts of this one

thank you all. i hope you invite all your friends over this way.
 

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Heh, my post may sound simplistic, though that's what gets me thru rough patches methinks. Maybe not, (but just maybe.)

Also makes things sound less selfish/egotistic, methinks.
 

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Heh, my post may sound simplistic, though that's what gets me thru rough patches methinks. Maybe not, (but just maybe.)

Also makes things sound less selfish/egotistic, methinks.
your right about that one. sometimes everyone could use a lil simplicity when things get too hectic or complex. it's kinda human nature to hit the shut off switch every now and again.
 

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-rubs eyes- Long read dude, didn't expect for you to go all Aristotle on our asses lol. As I told you earlier I was never one to ask philosophical questions regarding life and death. Still, the way I view it is more or less as a sequence of uncontrolled events. Randomized settings that range from shi**y, crap, awesome, to fantastic; where the best anyone can do is sorta go along for the ride, and hope the end product was worth the admission. Chaotic? Yea sure, but hell, least you experienced something before you ultimately went six feet under, which I pray will lead to reincarnation (please, a husky). If at the other end of all this is nothing, well again, grateful to have been aware of my existence.

I'll end with this video of Keenu Reeves from Bill & Ted. Wise words. Take heed.

[video=youtube;BvYRqsRZ7vE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvYRqsRZ7vE[/video]
 
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thats deep bro....real deep. you ever stop to think that maybe you are a husky and your just having an out of body experience?
 

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Oh man....thinking about death is a very odd thought. I know exactly what you mean!

Anyhow, the way I see it is just live to the fullest! Try to enjoy every day. That way, when death comes knocking, you've lived every day as if this moment was Comming XD!

We can enjoy the days we had, and hope that with death there is more to come!
 

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Oh man....thinking about death is a very odd thought. I know exactly what you mean!

Anyhow, the way I see it is just live to the fullest! Try to enjoy every day. That way, when death comes knocking, you've lived every day as if this moment was Comming XD!

We can enjoy the days we had, and hope that with death there is more to come!
thnx for your input KGB. what if there was no grim reaper? what if we "die" and we are actually being born?
 

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thnx for your input KGB. what if there was no grim reaper? what if we "die" and we are actually being born?

So I've been a husky all along...?
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Oh man....thinking about death is a very odd thought. I know exactly what you mean!

Anyhow, the way I see it is just live to the fullest! Try to enjoy every day. That way, when death comes knocking, you've lived every day as if this moment was Comming XD!

We can enjoy the days we had, and hope that with death there is more to come!

Motivated me to finally go sky diving: while juggling dynamite. YOLO.
 
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