Realist Tobirama

[LordRevan]

I want to ask the people who call people like Danzo and Tobirama realists the following questions:

In throughout history only naive people who believe in black and white have segregated groups of peoples on their beliefs, so in which is Tobirama segregating the Uchiha "realistic"?

Only those who do not understand their own feelings and don't understand others call a group of people , "a clan possessed by evil"... in which is that a realist?


Realist is a person who sees the realty. Realty that Madara becoming Hokage would've strengthens the TRUST of the others in the Uchiha and Madara himself. Realty is that Hashirama's idea of how the villages should be ran , is the way they are ran. Realty is calling someone EVIL and EVIL will annoy the hell out of that person, will actually turn them evil. Realty is that Uchiha PROTECTED Konoha through 3 world wars. Realty is Uchiha and Senju together formed the Village Hidden in the Leafs.

So people, before calling unrealistic actions, realistic.. atleast check what is realistic and what is not.

I don't hold Hashirama and Tobirama dear.. But going by this guy's Ideal.. I see Hashirama as the wiser man:

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[Sir Blades]

There are more important things in the world to be debating about

 

[roncato]

Nice thread, Hashi was really a wise man

 

[LordRevan]

There are more important things in the world to be debating about

And the clear line between calling prejudice people realists and the people who believe in equality naive.. is one of them.

 

[yuan of cruxis]

He was an idealist

 

[FreakensteinAG]

In throughout history only naive people who believe in black and white have segregated groups of peoples on their beliefs, so in which is Tobirama segregating the Uchiha "realistic"?

Rationally, it makes sense for one clan to strengthen his own to defend against another who threaten their own, either through combat or way of life.

Only those who do not understand their own feelings and don't understand others call a group of people , "a clan possessed by evil"... in which is that a realist?

Technically, the Uchiha clan is "possessed by evil". Thinking back to Tobirama's explanation for the sharingan, the eyes are activated from tragedy, while tragedy fuels their desire to undo whatever it is that caused them harm. Very few Uchiha affected do this in a positive manner.

The other side to it, however, is that the Senju saw the Uchiha as immortal enemies (and vice-versa), which is just lighting the fire with gasoline. It had to take Hashirama, a man who wanted nothing more than mutual understanding, to end the cycle.

 

[maxwellwilson02]

It's sad that when 99% of the village didn't want him to be Hokage ( even his own relatives) people on here are arguing for him to be the Hokage lol. I'm sure they understand madara more than we do.

 

[LordRevan]

He was an idealist

exactly.

Rationally, it makes sense for one clan to strengthen his own to defend against another who threaten their own, either through combat or way of life.



Technically, the Uchiha clan is "possessed by evil". Thinking back to Tobirama's explanation for the sharingan, the eyes are activated from tragedy, while tragedy fuels their desire to undo whatever it is that caused them harm. Very few Uchiha affected do this in a positive manner.

The other side to it, however, is that the Senju saw the Uchiha as immortal enemies (and vice-versa), which is just lighting the fire with gasoline. It had to take Hashirama, a man who wanted nothing more than mutual understanding, to end the cycle.

Uchiha and Senju were 1 and the same. He chose to make them different.

That is not something possessed by evil.. that is normal anger. Anger increases your impulses. If Madara had that much evil inside then EMS would've shown it.. Name the Uchiha affected to this in a bad manner.... only 3 recall of.

Senju believed in PEACE THROUGH LOVE. But the Senju themselves were consumed by Hate.. Tobirama for example.

It's sad that when 99% of the village didn't want him to be Hokage ( even his own relatives) people on here are arguing for him to be the Hokage lol. I'm sure they understand madara more than we do.

The person who the people picked to be Hokage.. wanted to make Madara the Hokage..

 

[maxwellwilson02]

exactly.

The person who the people picked to be Hokage.. wanted to make Madara the Hokage..

That said person happens to be someone who would kill himself to make Madara happy. Obviously his judgements are a little clouded.

 

[SilverSlick]

I don't understand how he "segregated" anyone. The Uchiha were allowed to partake in everything the Senju were able to such as the Academy and the Chunin Exams. Not only this, Kagami was an Uchiha. If he were like you say, he would have certainly segregated him from Danzo and that fatass. You can't call what he did to the Uchiha, "segregation". At least not in the sense you mean it. What he did was purely for strategical purposes. You can't have a prison in the middle of town, right? No, you move it along with the headquarters to the outside. Its safer for everyone.

 

[LordRevan]

That said person happens to be someone who would kill himself to make Madara happy. Obviously his judgements are a little clouded.

It wasn't to make Madara happy. It was to end the conflict. Read clearly:

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I don't understand how he "segregated" anyone. The Uchiha were allowed to partake in everything the Senju were able to such as the Academy and the Chunin Exams. Not only this, Kagami was an Uchiha. If he were like you say, he would have certainly segregated him from Danzo and that fatass. You can't call what he did to the Uchiha, "segregation". At least not in the sense you mean it. What he did was purely for strategical purposes. You can't have a prison in the middle of town, right? No, you move it along with the headquarters to the outside. Its safer for everyone.

If he had done that to Kagami.. that would've been like saying " You Uchihas can't work with anyone besides the uchiha" ;]. lmao. Funny thing is he was the one with Hate inside him xD

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[Omnipotent]

No, Tobirama helped Hashirama realize that Madara simply wouldn't be Hokage and that the decision to make anyone Hokage shouldn't go to any one person. All Tobirama stated was the truth: due to everyone in the village, including the Uchiha Clan, acknowledging Hashirama as Konohagakure's true founder:

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[LordRevan]

He was an idealist

exactly.

Rationally, it makes sense for one clan to strengthen his own to defend against another who threaten their own, either through combat or way of life.



Technically, the Uchiha clan is "possessed by evil". Thinking back to Tobirama's explanation for the sharingan, the eyes are activated from tragedy, while tragedy fuels their desire to undo whatever it is that caused them harm. Very few Uchiha affected do this in a positive manner.

The other side to it, however, is that the Senju saw the Uchiha as immortal enemies (and vice-versa), which is just lighting the fire with gasoline. It had to take Hashirama, a man who wanted nothing more than mutual understanding, to end the cycle.

Uchiha and Senju were 1 and the same. He chose to make them different.

That is not something possessed by evil.. that is normal anger. Anger increases your impulses. If Madara had that much evil inside then EMS would've shown it.. Name the Uchiha affected to this in a bad manner.... only 3 recall of.

Senju believed in PEACE THROUGH LOVE. But the Senju themselves were consumed by Hate.. Tobirama for example.

 

[Pekoms]

You do realize the clan, itself, was not segregated until much later.​

The only "segregation" applicable to Tobirama and his actions was his selection of the Police HQ location.
Keep in mind, that happened well after Madara had left the village and attempted to destroy/dominate it.

Given that other Uchiha members were secretly harboring similar ideologies, it's quite realistic.

 

[LordRevan]

You do realize the clan, itself, was not segregated until much later.​

The only "segregation" applicable to Tobirama and his actions was his selection of the Police HQ location.
Keep in mind, that happened well after Madara had left the village and attempted to destroy/dominate it.

Given that other Uchiha members were secretly harboring similar ideologies, it's quite realistic.

I hope you do realize the Uchiha that your talking about fought for Konoha for 3 shinobi world wars.

 

[SilverSlick]

It wasn't to make Madara happy. It was to end the conflict. Read clearly:

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If he had done that to Kagami.. that would've been like saying " You Uchihas can't work with anyone besides the uchiha" ;]. lmao. Funny thing is he was the one with Hate inside him xD

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Yet, you're using segregation in a different and more dark sense. You're comparing it to southern segregation during the mid 20th century. Then, black children couldn't drink at the same water fountain as whites. Do you honestly think it was like that at Konoha? Also, quit throwing around the word hate. Its obvious he didn't hate the Uchiha. If he did, he would have exterminated him. The one who carried hate was Madara, blinded by his own preconceptions and paranoia.

 

[LordRevan]

Yet, you're using segregation in a different and more dark sense. You're comparing it to southern segregation during the mid 20th century. Then, black children couldn't drink at the same water fountain as whites. Do you honestly think it was like that at Konoha? Also, quit throwing around the word hate. Its obvious he didn't hate the Uchiha. If he did, he would have exterminated him. The one who carried hate was Madara, blinded by his own preconceptions and paranoia.

Segregation:
Noun
1.The action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.
2.The enforced separation of different racial groups in a country, community, or establishment.

So far him cornering the Uchiha to a corner .. because HE BELIEVED that they are a potential threat is segregation.


One who carried hate was Madara? what are you saying dude.. did you even read today's chapter or you just skimmed through the tobirama parts?lol

Madara wasn't the one saying "SENJU ARE GONNA **** US UP"..... he was there shaking hands with Hashirama..... While Tobirama over here yappin again and again, about how he thinks the uchiha are.

 

[Omnipotent]

Think of it this way: Tobirama solo'd the Uchiha Clan.

 

[SilverSlick]

I want to ask the people who call people like Danzo and Tobirama realists the following questions:

In throughout history only naive people who believe in black and white have segregated groups of peoples on their beliefs, so in which is Tobirama segregating the Uchiha "realistic"?

Only those who do not understand their own feelings and don't understand others call a group of people , "a clan possessed by evil"... in which is that a realist?


Realist is a person who sees the realty. Realty that Madara becoming Hokage would've strengthens the TRUST of the others in the Uchiha and Madara himself. Realty is that Hashirama's idea of how the villages should be ran , is the way they are ran. Realty is calling someone EVIL and EVIL will annoy the hell out of that person, will actually turn them evil. Realty is that Uchiha PROTECTED Konoha through 3 world wars. Realty is Uchiha and Senju together formed the Village Hidden in the Leafs.

So people, before calling unrealistic actions, realistic.. atleast check what is realistic and what is not.

I don't hold Hashirama and Tobirama dear.. But going by this guy's Ideal.. I see Hashirama as the wiser man:

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Segregation:
Noun
1.The action or state of setting someone or something apart from other people or things or being set apart.
2.The enforced separation of different racial groups in a country, community, or establishment.

So far him cornering the Uchiha to a corner .. because HE BELIEVED that they are a potential threat is segregation.


One who carried hate was Madara? what are you saying dude.. did you even read today's chapter or you just skimmed through the tobirama parts?lol

Madara wasn't the one saying "SENJU ARE GONNA **** US UP"..... he was there shaking hands with Hashirama..... While Tobirama over here yappin again and again, about how he thinks the uchiha are.

You were just comparing it to black and white segregation. That's not what it was. Tobirama did it for strategic purpose. Whites did it because of prejudice. I don't see how this is segregation apart from the headquarters being outside of the village.

Biologically, Madara carried hate after the loss of his brothers and also after his false preconception of his clan turning their back on them. Its a fact[

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[Pekoms]

I hope you do realize the Uchiha that your talking about fought for Konoha for 3 shinobi world wars.

And? What exactly does that have to do with anything I said?​

Tobirama died during the First Shinobi War, the others after that have no relevance to gaging any of the decisions he made.