People need to stop blaming Tobirama for everything.

[RasenUchihaChaos]

You can argue all you want but the fact of the matter is, Tobirama was blinded by his hatred for Madara and the Uchiha. Even after the truce he did not trust them at all. Madara could definitely see this which is why he looked at him the way he did when he interrupted him and Hashirama's conversation. Unfortunately, you can't blame everything on him due to the fact that his clan did not trust him either. If they had trusted and believed in the man who was entrusted to protect them all they might now have had to been wiped out later on in the series, but instead they chose the Senju way which led to a lot of trouble because of Tobirama and the Council.

You say Tobirama came up with democracy in the Ninja World, however it was not Tobirama alone who came to this. Pretty sure the Lords of the Fire Country had stressed it.

I do like Tobirama overall, but seems to me his hate for the Uchiha were stronger than any Uchiha's hate toward anything.

finally someone thinking clearly

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Umm. . . . . . . . . no. Jiraiya was never chosen as a Hokage by Hiruzen, he was chosen to be Hokage when Hiruzen died.

Hiruzne wanted Orochimaru to become Hokage, but he saw darkness in him and chose Minato over him. That was on of the things that Orochimaru seeked revenge for.

then why does tsunade mention that he always apart from oro wanted jiraiaya as hokage

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I do like Tobirama overall, but seems to me his hate for the Uchiha were stronger than any Uchiha's hate toward anything.

- Madara killed soooo many people in this war

- Obito killed his whole clan which may have included parents, brothers, cousins

- Sasuke killed Danzo and wants to kill Naruto who never did anything bad to him

And you're telling me Tobirama not trusting the second strongest shinobi and the Senju's #1 enemy makes him a bad guy?

 

[BazzBee]

People need to stop making these f*cking threads!!!!!!

That said, I agree.

THIS ^ Lololololo

 

[HadouKage]

- Madara killed soooo many people in this war

- Obito killed his whole clan which may have included parents, brothers, cousins

- Sasuke killed Danzo and wants to kill Naruto who never did anything bad to him

And you're telling me Tobirama not trusting the second strongest shinobi and the Senju's #1 enemy makes him a bad guy?

Fanboys will be fanboys :|
This just puts the Uchiha fanboys on an all time low
Funny how nobody is looking at how Madara ripped Tsunade in half because he hated Senju

 

[RasenKirin]

- Madara killed soooo many people in this war

- Obito killed his whole clan which may have included parents, brothers, cousins

- Sasuke killed Danzo and wants to kill Naruto who never did anything bad to him

And you're telling me Tobirama not trusting the second strongest shinobi and the Senju's #1 enemy makes him a bad guy?

Madara killed so many people in this war? IT's A WAR ! It's kill or be killed. You don't think Tobirama killed many Uchiha?

As for your other two points, ever think those events never could have happened if things had went the way Hashirama viewed?

I never stated Tobirama in general was a bad guy however his own hatred cannot be pushed aside, it clouds judgement.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Madara killed so many people in this war? IT's A WAR ! It's kill or be killed. You don't think Tobirama killed many Uchiha?

As for your other two points, ever think those events never could have happened if things had went the way Hashirama viewed?

I never stated Tobirama in general was a bad guy however his own hatred cannot be pushed aside, it clouds judgement.

A WAR HE CAREFULLY PLANNED TO HAPPEN

Underline: Oh so what, if someone kills my brother and I then slaughter the killers family I can use that in court? Get the hell out. Use your head. Being treated badly is not an excuse to become a psycho. It simply proves the ones who treated you bad right.

his own hatred cannot be pushed aside, it clouds judgement

Yet for all his hatred he never killed an Uchiha after he became Hokage, while the oh so sweet Madara and Obito planned to kill the whole clan.

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

i ddint realize madara ordered obito to wipe out the uchiha clan where did he tell him to wann see the evidence

 

[RasenKirin]

A WAR HE CAREFULLY PLANNED TO HAPPEN

Underline: Oh so what, if someone kills my brother and I then slaughter the killers family I can use that in court? Get the hell out. Use your head. Being treated badly is not an excuse to become a psycho. It simply proves the ones who treated you bad right.

What in the blue hell and a monkey's anus are you even talking about? That has absolutely nothing to do with my statement.

Yet for all his hatred he never killed an Uchiha after he became Hokage, while the oh so sweet Madara and Obito planned to kill the whole clan.

Didn't the Leaf Village Council plan to wipe out the Uchiha Clan through the use of Itachi? Could have sworn they were in talks with Obito.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Didn't the Leaf Village Council plan to wipe out the Uchiha Clan through the use of Itachi? Could have sworn they were in talks with Obito.

Of course they did. They were preparing a coup which would have started a war in which Konoha would have been destroyed.

What they did was perfectly normal. Also, Danzo acted against Hiruzen's wishes.

 

[Insidious Smile]

Too many Tobirama threads .