[Discussion] Madara was Good.

[Nishant Sutariya]

I can now feel that why Madara chose the EVIL path...

- Madara lost his brother IZUNA who told him not to trust senjus and save clan..

-Madara still want to create peace and truly want to save his clan(His promise to his brother)

-He check the guts of hashirama for making decision and winning his heart by chose to kill himself.(to put trust on senju)

-Madara want to keep his promise.

-Madara never said that he wanted to become Hokage but hashi always wanted him and he was same as he was in his childhood.

-The way of treatment from tobirama hurts him a lot.

-In village,trust is more on hashirama than Madara.

-His clan donot trust him that If Tobirama will become Hokage, he will surely try to exterminate Uchihas...here his care is shown for his clan for whom he want to protect.

-His clan people do not listen to him and trusted hashirama.

-his point was not about Hashirama but about Tobirama whom he think will take lead after hashirama.

-If that happens, tobirama sure exterminate uchiha clan in any way.

-Tobirama's thinking is poor and not for village as he never trusted a Uchiha.

-hashirama should had tried to clear the hatred which his brother carried for Uchiha.He is same as Uchiha.

-Madara's actions are as per situations and circumstances for HOW HE CAN STOP AND SAVE HIS CLAN AND PEOPLE.

-as madara said that cooperation is just silent fight..its true cause we can see that both clan do not have trust in each other.

-Tobirama acted as hidden for never allowing any uchiha to take lead.

-its simple No one can accept that thing after having high respect in world and some other clan people commanding you.

-Its about Dignity that uchihas possess...every one have it so What MADARA did was right in his ways...

-LATER when his clan people realize what MADARA want to say, they planned COUP DECTAT in village when whole village is blaming them for Kyubi attacks and Tobirama cornered them and outskirts whole Uchiha clan.so all is reasonable.

-Trusting and without looking for good,people hold grudges that is what i understand from Manga...

-Madara's doing is reasonable...He want to protect Uchihas and want to keep his promise because he was always failing in keeping it.

So i think He is good and whatever he is doing its all created by some selfish and grudging people who just see enemy as enemy even after forming village...he care much because even after losing his brother in hand of tobirama, he still chose for peace and form village by putting all things a side...here where i dislike TOBIRAMA more than MADARA..

Thats what i think...any one agree ?????......

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Well, yeah, he really got butt hurt. . . . . . . . :dunno: . . . . . . . .

PS: Tobirama was thinking for the village, maybe not for the Uchiha Clan, but he cared for the village.

 

[Thundergod123]

Yes he is good.......

 

[Punk Hazard]

I somewhat agree. Madara is an antagonist, so it's like people here don't pay attention to what he says and immediately dismisses it, concluding that Tobirama is right biasedly.

 

[Gatsuuga]

How does Tobirama's mistrust of Madara justify his actions? Tobirama was suspicious that MS causes people to go crazy and become a danger, did madara go crazy and attack the villages hokage......yep. But oh' suggesting to hashi that the village should vote for their own leader is totally a valid reason to destroy the world with infinite tsukiyomi.

 

[Punk Hazard]

How does Tobirama's mistrust of Madara justify his actions? Tobirama was suspicious that MS causes people to go crazy and become a danger, did madara go crazy and attack the villages hokage......yep. But oh' suggesting to hashi that the village should vote for their own leader is totally a valid reason to destroy the world with infinite tsukiyomi.

Because that mistrust was on the entire clan. Tobirama just expressed it towards Madara more because he's the Uchiha leader. This mistrust created the looming threat of Uchiha genocide.

Did Madara go crazy and attack the Leaf? Yes. But remember, that happened because of Tobirama's constant mistrust. If Tobirama could've let go of the past and try to move on like Hashirama and Madara, Madara might not have snapped.

 

[Uchiha Shikiruire]

Well, yeah, he really got butt hurt. . . . . . . . :dunno: . . . . . . . .

PS: Tobirama was thinking for the village, maybe not for the Uchiha Clan, but he cared for the village.

Yeah but let's think about it. Tobirama never really liked the Uchiha.

 

[IKSOKRIPS]

Yeah but let's think about it. Tobirama never really liked the Uchiha.

Didn't I said that there. . . ? hmm

 

[Nishant Sutariya]

How does Tobirama's mistrust of Madara justify his actions? Tobirama was suspicious that MS causes people to go crazy and become a danger, did madara go crazy and attack the villages hokage......yep. But oh' suggesting to hashi that the village should vote for their own leader is totally a valid reason to destroy the world with infinite tsukiyomi.

My simple thought is that when Madara can put trust and control his power over hatred than why donot tobirama who have killed his brother....Madara even forgot everything and ready for peace and as good as hashirama, just because he is from uchiha and thinking on they will grow anger and turn evil....these are ill feelings and you are growing it to them...he did after all that when he has no choice left to save his clan and to keep his promise to his brother....all actions have their reactions in positive or negative....tobirama's intentions might be good but why do not he think as hashirama..he should have acted way his brother wanted for VILLAGE...No offense to your thought buddy....i have my view and you have yours....

 

[Uchiha Shikiruire]

Didn't I said that there. . . ? hmm

Yeah but I mean, If Madara weren't to be Hokage, and Hashirama would just be Hokage he would be fine with that since he doesn't like them in general, and not just because he's not fitting as a Hokage.

 

[Lawliet L]

tobirama isnt bad at all, he was protecting everyone in his own way.

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

The kyuubi attack was when Tobirama was already dead.

 

[ssiddiq78]

Yeah people dont born evil , circumstances and situations make them evil if anyone is to blame it is time.

 

[wildstorm]

-His clan donot trust him that If Tobirama will become Hokage, he will surely try to exterminate Uchihas...here his care is shown for his clan for whom he want to protect.

for ur information, tobirama DID become the hokage, & he DID NOT exterminate uchihas, instead tried to give them a role they're good at....all this, inspite of him hating the uchiha clan....so madara was wrong abt tobirama....

-LATER when his clan people realize what MADARA want to say, they planned COUP DECTAT in village when whole village is blaming them for Kyubi attacks and Tobirama cornered them and outskirts whole Uchiha clan.so all is reasonable.

there is no relation between tobirama & kyubi attack accusition on uchiha, it was way after hiruzen became hokage.....

-Madara's doing is reasonable...He want to protect Uchihas and want to keep his promise because he was always failing in keeping it.

Thats what i think...any one agree ?????......

But yes I agree that whatever madara did, was for the betterment of his clan.Intentions were good, but his judgement on Tobirama & others was wrong.
LAst thing, I also agree that senju & uchiha should'nt have lived together at all......it was ok to have a peace treaty sort of thing, just to stop attacking each other.

 

[niblack89]

Madara's evil was actually fading. He and Harashima were even back to how they used to be. It was Madara that even named the village. It's because Tobirama has to much influence on whats decided. Tobirama mean well but all his actions has cause just as much harm as Madara. The title hokage meant alot to Madara it meant he could protect his clan.

The sharingan reflexes feelings and him losing that title was probably the last straw.

 

[Nishant Sutariya]

The kyuubi attack was when Tobirama was already dead.

Yup...what i want to say in that line was....Uchihas realized it after kyubi attacks that why they are cornered and no one is trusting them in village and why Tobirama had given them the duty of police force..the kind of treatment which cause the troubles to them...

 

[Jikukan]

Tobirama is not the bad guy, after al it is madara who take's the decision, he is just not strong enough to try leading the village with hashi.

What i dont like is that hashirama doesnt show any interest in his brother, really dissapointing to see.
And for what? just for the strengt madara had??

I wonder how tobirama must have felt when he know madara was as a brother for hashi

 

[Nishant Sutariya]

for ur information, tobirama DID become the hokage, & he DID NOT exterminate uchihas, instead tried to give them a role they're good at....all this, inspite of him hating the uchiha clan....so madara was wrong abt tobirama....



there is no relation between tobirama & kyubi attack accusition on uchiha, it was way after hiruzen became hokage.....

But yes I agree that whatever madara did, was for the betterment of his clan.Intentions were good, but his judgement on Tobirama & others was wrong.
LAst thing, I also agree that senju & uchiha should'nt have lived together at all......it was ok to have a peace treaty sort of thing, just to stop attacking each other.

1) he didnot exterminate but neither trust them and give them a role of police whne he surely knew that its not good cause his brother never wanted it but some where his grudge towards uchihas could be felt in his actions.he could have give them respect and stage where they can be better as he knew lot about Sharingan and when and how it affects...

2) i knew but my mean is not that he did cornered them after kyubi attack.I mean Uchihas realize that all are not trusting in real on their back and some where also tobirama did not trust them and cornered.when he died ...and obito attacked the village then all blame was on uchihas and that cause them to plan a COUP...

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Madara was good its all due to tobirama ignorance which madara heard I can't believe it actually turned out like this

 

[Nishant Sutariya]

Tobirama is not the bad guy, after al it is madara who take's the decision, he is just not strong enough to try leading the village with hashi.

What i dont like is that hashirama doesnt show any interest in his brother, really dissapointing to see.
And for what? just for the strengt madara had??

I wonder how tobirama must have felt when he know madara was as a brother for hashi

He was as good as Hashirama.But tobirama had grudge towards him where Madara had put all grudge on a side for his clan and to create peace. Tobirama never wanted him to lead where hashi wanted why???...simple he knew him well and his ideals...so hashi trusted him...even after knowing that he will be hokage and his face will carve in stone....tobirama;s ill treatment fade away all his hopes for doing good for clan and protect village....so some where there are also mistakes from tobirama...i have no bad feeling for tobirama...these are my views at looking what he did and how the reactions happend....