ABC Logic

[Zenic]

Heres one that I think proves it too everyone that ABC logic DOES NOT WORK.

Sakura>Sasori, but Sasori>3rd Kazekage, so Sakura>3rd Kazekage. NO

You're forgetting Chiyo lol

You're also forgetting that Sasori let them kill him

 

[Zenic]

In logic you must have a subject and a predicated and in order for them to be connected you need a middle term that clearly shows the connection. This the basic Aristotelian logic using language and definition of terms. Modern logic is mathematics and dose not always take into account definition of linguistically terms nor reality as is. We live in the real world and language is the medium we use to convey ideas, so we must define our rearms so we have a frame of reference to have a discussion. Without definition of terms that are recognize as Universal by all we can't have a discussion nor come to a conclusion that we can agree to, or disagree to. So first we must all agree to what are the definition of our terms.

You do know that most of what you said had nothing to do with my argument backed up with provided facts right?

 

[Cfighter]

You're forgetting Chiyo lol

You're also forgetting that Sasori let them kill him

-_- let me rephrase then. (and before I do, Sasori didn't let them kill him. He was bested by them and gave in to them at the last minute).

A useless bitch + an old lady > 3rd Kazekage. Does that really sound more logical to you?

 

[Honord Sage]

You do know that most of what you said had nothing to do with my argument backed up with provided facts right?

I just prove it your terms and definitions do not fit with what you say compared to what others say and their terms and definitions.

 

[Zenic]

-_- let me rephrase then. (and before I do, Sasori didn't let them kill him. He was bested by them and gave in to them at the last minute).

A useless bitch + an old lady > 3rd Kazekage. Does that really sound more logical to you?

Let me rephrase:

Chiyo + Sakura > 3rd Kazekage

Seams reasonable, 1 veteran + a great medic are stronger than a hyped/useless character we don't know anything about.

Yes, Sakura + Chiyo > 3rd Kazekage based on given knowledge

 

[paratise]

Let me rephrase:

Chiyo + Sakura > 3rd Kazekage

Seams reasonable, 1 veteran + a great medic are stronger than a hyped/useless character we don't know anything about.

Yes, Sakura + Chiyo > 3rd Kazekage based on given knowledge

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[BazzBee]

Why this no work

 

[Zenic]

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You mad? Admit it, based on facts, I'm right.

 

[paratise]

You mad? Admit it, based on facts, I'm right.

Chiyo and Sakura had counters against Sasori's techniques; such as antidote, physical strength and puppetary; the Iron sand can not be countered with such things; every door has a different lock mate.

 

[Zenic]

Chiyo and Sakura had counters against Sasori's techniques; such as antidote, physical strength and puppetary; the Iron sand can not be countered with such things; every door has a different lock mate.

Good point but the thing is, we haven't seen the Iron sand in action properly. Every lock has a key

 

[Cfighter]

You mad? Admit it, based on facts, I'm right.

Alright, I really hope your prepared for this, because im about to mind f*ck you so hard. Just remember: I tried to stop this


SO lets start with the Part 1 mind f*ck. Remember, all this logic is with ABC, and as such you cannot dismiss this due to "circumstance" as that would be acknowledging my original point. I, in full awareness of ABC logic, have this to say.

So in part 1 we were shown Sasuke vs Gaara (forest fight), now that fight never officially ended, but I think its safe to assume in that scenario Gaara>Sasuke. By ABC logic this means that because when Itachi rolled into town, and Itachi>Sasuke, then at the very least Gaara=Itachi (insert troll face here). Now hold on, cause im not done with Part 1 yet. Now, since I have no desire to dig further into this than I have too, im going to say that at the valley of the end, Naruto=Sasuke. Now, since Gaara>Sasuke, then this would logically mean Gaara>Naruto. But what was the actual outcome? Naruto>Gaara. ABC logic was just raped from every direction. Now, why was the outcome Naruto>Gaara if ABC logic is in play? Because PLOT struck down its mighty hand and pimp slapped the shiznit outta those boys. This proves that circumstances determine the outcome. Not ABC logic. On to part 2.

Being that theres a lot of ground to cover in Part 2, im just going to stick with the basics here. Deidara>Gaara. Sasuke>Deidara. By ABC this would mean Sasuke>Gaara. Now, what happened when Sasuke fought Gaara during the Kage summit? Gaara was countering all Sasuke could throw at him. Now, as I'm sure someone will mention it, Gaara also could have countered Susanoo, as, by ABC logic shows, Gaara>Susanoo as he pulled Madara out from his. So ABC logic falls apart again.

Just admit it bro. ABC logic does not work in Naruto. Shit happens to characters out of the blue. Sometimes you just cant predict it.

 

[Zenic]

Alright, I really hope your prepared for this, because im about to mind f*ck you so hard. Just remember: I tried to stop this


SO lets start with the Part 1 mind f*ck. Remember, all this logic is with ABC, and as such you cannot dismiss this due to "circumstance" as that would be acknowledging my original point. I, in full awareness of ABC logic, have this to say.

So in part 1 we were shown Sasuke vs Gaara (forest fight), now that fight never officially ended, but I think its safe to assume in that scenario Gaara>Sasuke. By ABC logic this means that because when Itachi rolled into town, and Itachi>Sasuke, then at the very least Gaara=Itachi (insert troll face here). Now hold on, cause im not done with Part 1 yet. Now, since I have no desire to dig further into this than I have too, im going to say that at the valley of the end, Naruto=Sasuke. Now, since Gaara>Sasuke, then this would logically mean Gaara>Naruto. But what was the actual outcome? Naruto>Gaara. ABC logic was just raped from every direction. Now, why was the outcome Naruto>Gaara if ABC logic is in play? Because PLOT struck down its mighty hand and pimp slapped the shiznit outta those boys. This proves that circumstances determine the outcome. Not ABC logic. On to part 2.

Being that theres a lot of ground to cover in Part 2, im just going to stick with the basics here. Deidara>Gaara. Sasuke>Deidara. By ABC this would mean Sasuke>Gaara. Now, what happened when Sasuke fought Gaara during the Kage summit? Gaara was countering all Sasuke could throw at him. Now, as I'm sure someone will mention it, Gaara also could have countered Susanoo, as, by ABC logic shows, Gaara>Susanoo as he pulled Madara out from his. So ABC logic falls apart again.

Just admit it bro. ABC logic does not work in Naruto. Shit happens to characters out of the blue. Sometimes you just cant predict it.

First off, Sasuke didn't have curse mark level 2 when he fought Gaara so at the Valley of the end that puts Sasuke > Gaara. This cancels out every argument you put up.

What a pitiful discussion, I was hoping for more. And what does Gaara > 1 Jutsu have to do with an entire character? Sh*tty argument if you ask me :sy:

 

[The Legendary Noob]

Let me rephrase:

Chiyo + Sakura > 3rd Kazekage

Seams reasonable, 1 veteran + a great medic are stronger than a hyped/useless character we don't know anything about.

Yes, Sakura + Chiyo > 3rd Kazekage based on given knowledge

No. Just no.
Perfect example.
Sasori > 3rd Kazekage
Sakura and Chiyo > 3rd Kazekage? Fuuck no.

And Kinkaku and Ginkaku didn't fight a fair fight when they were up against the 2nd Hokage and Raikage. They sneaked them and since they're powerful, they can do a lot of damage. Tobirama and 2nd Raikage could've won if it was a fair fight. You think it'd be THAT easy to beat the 2nd Generation of Kage? To top it all off, you said "low diff". Now that's disrespectful.

 

[Zenic]

Alright, I really hope your prepared for this, because im about to mind f*ck you so hard. Just remember: I tried to stop this


SO lets start with the Part 1 mind f*ck. Remember, all this logic is with ABC, and as such you cannot dismiss this due to "circumstance" as that would be acknowledging my original point. I, in full awareness of ABC logic, have this to say.

So in part 1 we were shown Sasuke vs Gaara (forest fight), now that fight never officially ended, but I think its safe to assume in that scenario Gaara>Sasuke. By ABC logic this means that because when Itachi rolled into town, and Itachi>Sasuke, then at the very least Gaara=Itachi (insert troll face here). Now hold on, cause im not done with Part 1 yet. Now, since I have no desire to dig further into this than I have too, im going to say that at the valley of the end, Naruto=Sasuke. Now, since Gaara>Sasuke, then this would logically mean Gaara>Naruto. But what was the actual outcome? Naruto>Gaara. ABC logic was just raped from every direction. Now, why was the outcome Naruto>Gaara if ABC logic is in play? Because PLOT struck down its mighty hand and pimp slapped the shiznit outta those boys. This proves that circumstances determine the outcome. Not ABC logic. On to part 2.

Being that theres a lot of ground to cover in Part 2, im just going to stick with the basics here. Deidara>Gaara. Sasuke>Deidara. By ABC this would mean Sasuke>Gaara. Now, what happened when Sasuke fought Gaara during the Kage summit? Gaara was countering all Sasuke could throw at him. Now, as I'm sure someone will mention it, Gaara also could have countered Susanoo, as, by ABC logic shows, Gaara>Susanoo as he pulled Madara out from his. So ABC logic falls apart again.

Just admit it bro. ABC logic does not work in Naruto. Shit happens to characters out of the blue. Sometimes you just cant predict it.

Also, pulling out a character doesn't mean they're stronger than that jutsu. That way this could also happen:

Sakura forces Hiruzen to stop hand signs whilst trying to bring forth Shinigami, does that make Sakura > Reaper death seal?

 

[Zenic]

No. Just no.
Perfect example.
Sasori > 3rd Kazekage
Sakura and Chiyo > 3rd Kazekage? Fuuck no.

And Kinkaku and Ginkaku didn't fight a fair fight when they were up against the 2nd Hokage and Raikage. They sneaked them and since they're powerful, they can do a lot of damage. Tobirama and 2nd Raikage could've won if it was one on one. You think it'd be THAT easy to beat the 2nd Generation of Kage?

They ambushed them the second time and the brothers weren't even present then. It was 20 fodders. Read the manga more carefully :sy:

 

[Cfighter]

First off, Sasuke didn't have curse mark level 2 when he fought Gaara so at the Valley of the end that puts Sasuke > Gaara. This cancels out every argument you put up.

What a pitiful discussion, I was hoping for more. And what does Gaara > 1 Jutsu have to do with an entire character? Sh*tty argument if you ask me :sy:

But thats my whole point. Characters get upgrades. Circumstances change. You really think Sasuke just happened to unlock 3t when fighting a Kyuubi cloak Naruto by coincidence? No. It happened because plot needed to happen, if it didn't then Sasuke would have been raped, brought back to the leaf, game over, end of story. If you need more prove of how ABC falls apart I have plenty more battles to cover.

 

[Zenic]

But thats my whole point. Characters get upgrades. Circumstances change. You really think Sasuke just happened to unlock 3t when fighting a Kyuubi cloak Naruto by coincidence? No. It happened because plot needed to happen, if it didn't then Sasuke would have been raped, brought back to the leaf, game over, end of story. If you need more prove of how ABC falls apart I have plenty more battles to cover.

Regardless, you still haven't proved ABC wrong

Next time stick to timeline and don't just skip and forget power ups.

 

[Booker]

Wrong.

ABC logic is completely flawed because one person's skills might give them an edge in one fight, but not in another.

For instance, Sasori was beaten by Chiyo and Sakura. However, Sasori only lost because of Chiyo's connection with his past. Had Sasori been fighting anyone else, he would have destroyed them.

Sasori < Chiyo and Sakura

Sasori > 3rd Kazekage

Therefore Chiyo and Sakura > 3rd Kazekage? Obviousy not.

Flawed logic.

 

[Imperius]

you have a person who can beat minato who uses ice, then you have someone else who uses fire and beats the person who can beat minato with ice, does that mean that the person with fire can defeat minato? no
elemental disadvantages

 

[Cfighter]

Regardless, you still haven't proved ABC wrong

Next time stick to timeline and don't just skip and forget power ups.

Ughhh, fine. Heres one to timeline. Kakuzu>Kakashi. Now, you claimed yourself that Sasuke>Kakashi as well. Because of ABC, Naruto>Kakuzu, so Naruto>Kakashi, so Naruto>Sasuke. You're not actually going to tell me you believe Naruto (at that time mind you because of timeline) > MS Sasuke?