is madara the next SO6P

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Madara is able to to make 25 mokuton clones, all wielding the rinnegan and EMS not to mention respective abilities for each doujutsu but also the ability to act co-ordinately without madara's actual presence. Based on Mokuton's composition Pretapath will render it useless on contact and this goes for each clone. Madara has already stated that his EMS is able to see throuhgh hashirama's mokuton bunshin and also has the abilitiy to anticipate attacks.

Given that he has his edo abilities, he is able to use all the jutsu he copied from hashirama and possibly to the extents of shinshuusenju as Senjutsu only acts as an amplifier for the technique, and Mokuton itself possesses similar biological function to that of Jugo; given it's composition of course. Added to this, the rinnegan is a greater potential threat in comparison with the kyuubi, which hashirama himself stated was overwhelming. At the end of the day, EMS renders Bringer of darkness useless and Hashirama has no arsenal to counter Madara and his mokuton//rinnegan wielding bunshins. Hashirama canonically bested EMS Madara in his prime at high difficulties. His Edo-tensei form however is far beyond what he was capable of at vote; Madara would take this quite comfortably as he canonically has full knowledge of what hashirama is capable of.

Pertaining to the statement you've misinterpreted about "Full power" I would believe you can use a dictionary. If not bear in mind that "Power" is the ability to do something. Uchiha madara based on power accomplishments; Perfect susano'o is technically his full power hence the statement but in this case the topic is his edo state, as in it, he is able to do much more and to add that it has been canonically stated that his edo-state is beyond his prime when he possessed this power, perfect susano'o. Which nullifies your argument.



Credibility. Character statements have been proven wrong many times and an example was konan saying the rinnegan is a treasure of Amegakure and they were nagato's eyes. Any information she wields. Konan's statement was mere speculation, she has no knowledge of the rinnengan's techniques nor their rudiments being that only those who are able to decipher the Uchiha stone tablet with their Sharingan, knows of the Sage's secrets and the Rinnegan. Nagato has never read the tablet himself. She bears no credibility hence, Obito's statement that he most likely recited from Madara himself, that the Requirement of Rinne Tensei are the users soul over-rules konan's assumption.

Alright. I can definetely see that.

 

[TheSages456]

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you're referring to your argument, correct? all right, lets see your bullshit.

Madara is able to to make 25 mokuton clones, all wielding the rinnegan and EMS not to mention respective abilities for each doujutsu but also the ability to act co-ordinately without madara's actual presence. Based on Mokuton's composition Pretapath will render it useless on contact and this goes for each clone. Madara has already stated that his EMS is able to see throuhgh hashirama's mokuton bunshin and also has the abilitiy to anticipate attacks.

preta path did nothing to mokuton in canon & madaras clones have never shown the rinnegan or mokuton. they have v2 susano & generic genjutsu. they get stomped without any effort.

Given that he has his edo abilities, he is able to use all the jutsu he copied from hashirama and possibly to the extents of shinshuusenju as Senjutsu only acts as an amplifier for the technique, and Mokuton itself possesses similar biological function to that of Jugo; given it's composition of course. Added to this, the rinnegan is a greater potential threat in comparison with the kyuubi, which hashirama himself stated was overwhelming. At the end of the day, EMS renders Bringer of darkness useless and Hashirama has no arsenal to counter Madara and his mokuton//rinnegan wielding bunshins. Hashirama canonically bested EMS Madara in his prime at high difficulties. His Edo-tensei form however is far beyond what he was capable of at vote; Madara would take this quite comfortably as he canonically has full knowledge of what hashirama is capable of.

the bold is speculation & this is useless in debates. im not even sure you could call this a debate since you are extending madara feats beyond canon & that falls under the category of fanfiction.

full power ems madara=perfect susano
full power edo madara=perfect susano

full power hashirama>full power madara.

Pertaining to the statement you've misinterpreted about "Full power" I would believe you can use a dictionary. If not bear in mind that "Power" is the ability to do something. Uchiha madara based on power accomplishments; Perfect susano'o is technically his full power hence the statement but in this case the topic is his edo state, as in it, he is able to do much more and to add that it has been canonically stated that his edo-state is beyond his prime when he possessed this power, perfect susano'o. Which nullifies your argument.

its a shame that madara doesnt have the feats of using every tech in his arsenal in conjunction with perfect susano. only feats matter. the only exception is with characters that only have hype. your argument is comprised of fanfiction.

madaras body was completed more than it was beyond its prime. in the past, he was purely uchiha. now he is a rikudo. thats basically all it means. it doesnt mean that madara can use every tech in his arsenal at once. it doesnt mean that his full power changed and the fact that this is what your argument stands on makes it fallacious.

 

[AlphaScythian]

you didnt explain how hashiramas basic wood dome took a bijudama & wasnt even scratched yet shinsuusenju gets one-shotted.

How do u know it was basic? Also it was further from epicentre.
Never said budda would get one shotted (dont make stuff up), my point is that bijudama would hurt him alot as wood is severely inferior in durability. Take continuous bijudamas into account and and little by little it goes down.

the bold is the dumbest argument you can bring. once something happens in the manga, all debate about the subject ceases.

No one questions how manga went, but how it could have. And CIS/PIS are very valid as we keep having same debates.

hashirama canonically evaded the sword slash so what you said is very pointless.

When did he evade it? It was never aimed at him.

tbb doesnt just instantly explode. it is able to be caught & redirected.

Thats is true, but they way it happened makes little sense. If it was to be deflected due to high angle it plausible, but frontal attack?

yes madara lacks the power to kill hashirama.

Based on what?

 

[Hyugaaa]

Yes, he is the closest, although Obito is right behind him.

 

[Waltz]

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you're referring to your argument, correct? all right, lets see your bullshit.

preta path did nothing to mokuton in canon & madaras clones have never shown the rinnegan or mokuton. they have v2 susano & generic genjutsu. they get stomped without any effort.


the bold is speculation & this is useless in debates. im not even sure you could call this a debate since you are extending madara feats beyond canon & that falls under the category of fanfiction.

full power ems madara=perfect susano
full power edo madara=perfect susano

full power hashirama>full power madara.

its a shame that madara doesnt have the feats of using every tech in his arsenal in conjunction with perfect susano. only feats matter. the only exception is with characters that only have hype. your argument is comprised of fanfiction.

madaras body was completed more than it was beyond its prime. in the past, he was purely uchiha. now he is a rikudo. thats basically all it means. it doesnt mean that madara can use every tech in his arsenal at once. it doesnt mean that his full power changed and the fact that this is what your argument stands on makes it fallacious.

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"Feats, feats, feats" is all i hear. You think debates only go by feats? Well By feats Nagato had better mastery over the rinnegan than the Sage himself as the sage was not canonically show to use animal path.

 

[TheSages456]

How do u know it was basic? Also it was further from epicentre.
Never said budda would get one shotted (dont make stuff up), my point is that bijudama would hurt him alot as wood is severely inferior in durability. Take continuous bijudamas into account and and little by little it goes down.

both hashirama & madara were in the epicenter of the blast. the wood buddha can take PS slashes. hashirama wood dome wouldnt be able to. guess which is stronger. shinsuusenju>>>>>wood dome in all aspects. bijudama didnt damage a wood construct weaker than shinsuusenju in canon. shinsuusenju tanks bijudama dbz style.

No one questions how manga went, but how it could have. And CIS/PIS are very valid as we keep having same debates.
When did he evade it? It was never aimed at him. Thats is true, but they way it happened makes little sense. If it was to be deflected due to high angle it plausible, but frontal attack?

PIS & CIS are fan made terms for when their favorite character doesnt do what they want. it has no place in debates. if the author makes something happen then the fans have to accept it. opinions & what if scenarios are irrelevant.

Based on what?

based on the fact that hashirama beat madara.

 

[TheSages456]

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"Feats, feats, feats" is all i hear. You think debates only go by feats? Well By feats Nagato had better mastery over the rinnegan than the Sage himself as the sage was not canonically show to use animal path.

the sage was stated to create the rinnegan techs that nagato used & that is a feat.

 

[Waltz]

the sage was stated to create the rinnegan techs that nagato used & that is a feat.

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Link me.

 

[AlphaScythian]

its a shame that madara doesnt have the feats of using every tech in his arsenal in conjunction with perfect susano. only feats matter. the only exception is with characters that only have hype. your argument is comprised of fanfiction.

Then what is meter? EMS or rinnegan technique? Cuz it would appear he was using both to bring it.

madaras body was completed more than it was beyond its prime. in the past, he was purely uchiha. now he is a rikudo. thats basically all it means. it doesnt mean that madara can use every tech in his arsenal at once. it doesnt mean that his full power changed and the fact that this is what your argument stands on makes it fallacious.

Madara is beyong his prime cuz he has senju power and rinnegan while he has prime body. Its mix of both timelines. So his power is increased alot

 

[LitzSabr]

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Madara is able to to make 25 mokuton clones, all wielding the rinnegan and EMS not to mention respective abilities for each doujutsu but also the ability to act co-ordinately without madara's actual presence. Based on Mokuton's composition Pretapath will render it useless on contact and this goes for each clone. Madara has a
..................... dictionary. If not bear in mind that "Power" is the ability to do something. Uchiha madara based on power accomplishments; Perfect susano'o is technically his full power hence the statement but in this case the topic is his edo state, as in it, he is able to do much more and to add that it has been canonically stated that his edo-state is beyond his prime when he possessed this power, perfect susano'o. Which nullifies your argument.

You know at the end of the day Madara will get bitch slapped a thousand times again..

 

[TheSages456]

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Link me.

are you going to cry bullshit like you always do after reading the scan? after this post i take my leave because this is the final piece to turning your argument into nothing but crap. i want to hear no excuses after this.

in this scan, its stated that rikudo sennin created the rinnegan techs that pain & nagato used:

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[TheSages456]

Then what is meter? EMS or rinnegan technique? Cuz it would appear he was using both to bring it.

its a rikudo jutsu. this wouldnt prove your point anyway as madara said himself that he couldnt use preta path which is a rinnegan tech because he used susano.

Madara is beyong his prime cuz he has senju power and rinnegan while he has prime body. Its mix of both timelines. So his power is increased alot

the strongest tech in his arsenal is perfect susano. madara more complete body is never associated with his full power changing.

 

[Waltz]

are you going to cry bullshit like you always do after reading the scan? after this post i take my leave because this is the final piece to turning your argument into nothing but crap. i want to hear no excuses after this.

in this scan, its stated that rikudo sennin created the rinnegan techs that pain & nagato used:

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Nice Fallacy. Character statements have been proven wrong many times and an example was konan saying the rinnegan is a treasure of Amegakure and they were nagato's eyes. However we all know how that went.To put it simple, Naruto's statement is nonsense and shouldn't be the basis of your theory as the secrets of the sage are written on the Uchiha stone tablet and it's obvious it didn't come fromt here. Your logic is poor.

 

[AlphaScythian]

both hashirama & madara were in the epicenter of the blast. the wood buddha can take PS slashes. hashirama wood dome wouldnt be able to. guess which is stronger. shinsuusenju>>>>>wood dome in all aspects. bijudama didnt damage a wood construct weaker than shinsuusenju in canon. shinsuusenju tanks bijudama dbz style.

Somehow after explosion hashirama was found on the ground in his wooden shell, he was not in epicentre. SM could empower mokuton i agree, but dont expect it to bee a steel. And at the same time it make not sense nature empower wood to be more then nature wood.

PIS & CIS are fan made terms for when their favorite character doesnt do what they want. it has no place in debates. if the author makes something happen then the fans have to accept it. opinions & what if scenarios are irrelevant.

PIS/CIS is nothing fanmade. Its logical conclusion that course of action taken route A, while it could take B as well, which lead to different consequences. Or is logic fan made too?

based on the fact that hashirama beat madara.

Yes hashirama beaten madara, thats true and undeniable fact, yet its no solid proof that he was stronger, as he had help in VoTE. Sasuke beaten naruto in VoTE too, yet naruto didnt use gamabunta. Nagato was stronger then naruto, yet he willingly gave up. Many other examples, where clearly stronger lost to weaker due to etc.

 

[TheSages456]

Nice Fallacy. Character statements have been proven wrong many times and an example was konan saying the rinnegan is a treasure of Amegakure and they were nagato's eyes. However we all know how that went.To put it simple, Naruto's statement is nonsense and shouldn't be the basis of your theory as the secrets of the sage are written on the Uchiha stone tablet and it's obvious it didn't come fromt here. Your logic is poor.

i told you that i didnt want to hear your excuses. konan has nothing to do with the topic. you lost. now begone troll.

 

[AlphaScythian]

its a rikudo jutsu. this wouldnt prove your point anyway as madara said himself that he couldnt use preta path which is a rinnegan tech because he used susano.

I think it would as he was using susanoo and rikudou jutsu!!!! U stated it, and i dont recall madara saying such things.

the strongest tech in his arsenal is perfect susano. madara more complete body is never associated with his full power changing.

No necessarily. Madara said that PS was madara's full power. He just views senju etc as not his own. While in prime body madara had no rinnegan, and when he got rinnegan he had no body. So his edo mixed both, thats way he is beyond his prime.

 

[Honord Sage]

No, Naruto is as acknowledge by Kurama and the rest of the Tail Beast as the New SO6P.

 

[TheSages456]

Somehow after explosion hashirama was found on the ground in his wooden shell, he was not in epicentre. SM could empower mokuton i agree, but dont expect it to bee a steel. And at the same time it make not sense nature empower wood to be more then nature wood.

how does this mean that hashirama wasnt in the epicenter? one panel before the explosion he is shown right next to the bijudama. the next panel, he is shown to have made a mokuton dome for defense. he never went anywhere.
im saying that shinsuusenju is more durable than a wood dome if we go by common sense & the fact that it can take PS slashes.

PIS/CIS is nothing fanmade. Its logical conclusion that course of action taken route A, while it could take B as well, which lead to different consequences. Or is logic fan made too?

logic isnt fan made. when something happens in canon, you have to accept it. PIS & CIS are poor cop outs to justify a character losing.

Yes hashirama beaten madara, thats true and undeniable fact, yet its no solid proof that he was stronger, as he had help in VoTE. Sasuke beaten naruto in VoTE too, yet naruto didnt use gamabunta. Nagato was stronger then naruto, yet he willingly gave up. Many other examples, where clearly stronger lost to weaker due to etc.

i didnt see anyone helping hashirama at VOTE. we saw both hashirama at full power at the end of the VOTE flashback. there was no holding back.

 

[foxyladyland]

can someone explain to me what the Creation of all things IS??please

 

[AlphaScythian]

can someone explain to me what the Creation of all things IS??please

Its perfect izanagi