[Parallel] God and Devil - Sage and Beast

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[Disclaimer: This is some crazy stuff and I personally dont take it too seriously but after a humored the idea it led me here.]

If your an atheist or something you probably wont like all the god talk but if your a christian or are atleast religious this is going to be somewhat interesting.

This is just something I took note of recently while reading various threads. But take a look at this.

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Throughout the series the Sage of 6 Paths is portrayed to be a hero that saved the world from destruction committing selfless acts and passing on powerful techniques to ensure the peoples safety. Now I know that kishi is known for drawing parallels but normally these parallels are in conjunction with Japanese mythology. But since Christianity is spreading at a fast pace throughout north Asia it wouldn't surprise me to see it being paralleled as well.

It is my belief that the story we have been lead to believe may not particularly be the story that is being told, what if in fact the SO6P plays a more sinister role in this story with the 10 tails playing a higher role.


Analysis of the SO6P
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Lets point out some traits the SO6P has that I would say resemble the devil:
  • Affiliation with 666 also known as the mark of the beast. And yet through out the entire series the tailed beasts are infact referred to as beast. Perhaps this is a play towards deception, the tailed beast are referred to as such in order to keep you from noticing who the true beast of the series is?
  • Horns on his head, one thing I know about horns is that they dont represent good guys, but more often evil creatures and things that often shouldnt be trusted.
  • With the RDS he has the ability to steal peoples souls, which is another undertone of the devil as he makes deals for your soul, deals which often turn out badly for the person he makes it with.
  • And lastly his eyes the rinnegan eyes eludes towards hypnotism as in to suggest you are being tricked into believing a lie.
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To add to that he also gave mankind forbidden knowledge, Chakra, much like he gave Adam and Eve the apple.

Analysis of the Ten Tails
There isnt much here, but then again we dont really know much about god. Infact the only thing we do know about god is that there are times when he is peaceful and then there are times where he shows wraith. Now seeing to how the SO6P wasnt the first person in existence but in actually there were many generations that proceeded him one must wonder what the 10 tails was doing that entire time? Nothing. He was peaceful, upon showing his angry side the SO6P stepped in and supposedly saved us?

Spoiler within a spoiler... spoilception!!
One thing I would like to note is that none of the tailed beast are inherently evil, they have all done there share of destroying but none of them are evil, more so they are misunderstood. And if anything you could say that they are inherently good and wholesome creatures. And so why when 9 good wholesome creatures are put together they form the mother of all that is evil?

You can even take this idea a step further looking into the tailed beasts names. Shukaku the crazed One-tailed raccoon,Matatabi the Polite Two-tailed Cat,Isobu the Shy Three-Tailed Turtle,Son Goku the Prideful Four-Tailed Monkey, Kokuo the reserved Five-tailed Dolphin Horse,Saiken the Boastful Six-Tailed Slug,Chomei the Cheerful Seven-Tailed Beetle,Gyuki The Berserk Eight-Tailed Ox,and Kurama the Cynical Nine-Tailed Fox[ ]. Could it be that these 9 beasts are 9 representations of the 10 tails inherent personalities.

With that said there are only 3 things I have that link the 10 tails with God:
  • Not much is known about either, both are mysterious yet omnipotent beings with enormous power.
  • We also know that god created man in his image, and the Gedo Mazou which is supposedly gods shell without its chakra looks very humanoid if you ask me. Coincidence or No?
  • This scan which portrays the Juubi's eyes above the SO6P, notice the streams that stream from his eye. Does it look familiar to you? That is because with those streams that one eye begins to look alot like the all seeing eye, which is an iconic symbol for god and his omnipotence.
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Analysis of the lore
Now in the bible we know that god showed his wraith at the fact that people on earth were acting disgraceful with warring, fighting and sin by wiping man off the face of the earth and then comes the story of Noahs ark.

While in the Narutoverse we see the story of constant warring among the nations, when it comes time for "God" to show his wraith we see the SO6P "Devil" stepping in and stopping god and thus giving people a second chance.

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*Spreading his new religion to the world? Doesn't the bible say that in revelations the Antichrist will come back as a false prophet claiming to be Jesus and gathering followers based on his "Miracles"?


But did he really give them a second chance? Let us look at what he really did:
1) Prolonged an age of warring and suffering in which people die for no reason and hatred runs rampant.
2) Add fuel to the fire by providing new ninjutsu and abilities for the warring to take a form like no other.
3) Passed down the use of chakra, the proverbial Eve's Apple, to mankind.
4) Divide "Gods" power into fragments which could be used as people saw fit in order to escalate the war.
5) Taught sealing techniques so that man could possess the power of god
6) Passed down eyes that grow stronger with hatred and despair

In actuality it isn't until we see the 10 tails, god, step back into the picture do we see a unity among the diversity and an end to all the fighting.

Food for thought

And in conclusion
You may find a discrepancy between what I said about the SO6P's eyes eluding towards hypotism then what about the 10 tails eyes I showed at the very start.

What I say to that is that his eyes look like that because he was being controlled by the SO6P at that moment, for the same reason the Kyubi's eyes changed while under Madara's control. As you can see the rocks are flewing threw the air and there is a white glowing object in the scan, this eludes towards the SO6P creating the moon with "Planetary Devastation" in order to imprison the 10 tails there. I believe he placed the 10 tails under his ocular control prior to doing so. That capability is suggest throughout the series, if someone with less ocular abilities(Sharingan) could control a lesser tailed beast(1-9 tails). Then theoretically someone with a higher ocular ability(Rinnegan) would be able to control a higher tailed beast(Juubi).

How else would you explain the SO6P beating a tailed beast with the power to swallow oceans, A tailed beast capable of taking on an entire unified ninja army at the same time without breaking a sweat, and he isnt even fighting back at this point in the manga.

Any Thoughts?
 
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Although I am an Atheist, I found this quite interesting - good thread!
 

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o_O this is awesome; you did a good job there; i am not a religious one and i think this would not even offend anybody. I think so6p being the "bad guy" is a plausable theory and it is quiet interesting.
Maybe so6p giving humans the ability to use chakra is something like satan giving humans the apple...
 

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Two thumbs up!

Yet... mankind had stories like this since the beginning of mankind. You just chose two of the most epic ones ;).
 

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o_O this is awesome; you did a good job there; i am not a religious one and i think this would not even offend anybody. I think so6p being the "bad guy" is a plausable theory and it is quiet interesting.
Maybe so6p giving humans the ability to use chakra is something like satan giving humans the apple...

Ty :D, Very cool idea with the apple btw, I hope you dont mind if I write that into my theory.


Two thumbs up!

Yet... mankind had stories like this since the beginning of mankind. You just chose two of the most epic ones ;).

True true the story of God vs Satan is exactly what a skeptic would call original, but from a religious stand point one could argue that there is unity within the diverisity, and that although the story may change the concepts still remain the same and it is that unchanging notion of god and the anti god which one should take note of. Too constant to be coincidence yet too vague to be true. Found somewhere at the pit of mans fears and the summit of his knowledge... Twilight Zone reference ftw

Ty for the comment :D glad you liked the thread
 
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Ty :D, Very cool idea with the apple btw, I hope you dont mind if I write that into my theory.




True true the story of God vs Satan is exactly what a skeptic would call original, but from a religious stand point one could argue that there is unity within the diverisity, and that although the story may change the concepts still change the same and it is that unchanging notion of god and the anti god which one should take note of.

Ty for the comment :D glad you liked the thread
I do not mind at all; in fact i would be very happy.
 

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Every interesting thread!

I like your few on the Sage and Juubi. Juubi would have brought leave by destroying everyone but the Sage stopped it, stopping that "peace". Interesting way to look at it.

The all seeing eye part was cool. It does resemble it
 

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Thank you good sir




Glad to hear you liked it, I was surprised you liked it as your people can be a little incredulous at times :p jk jk

Aha yeah I know what you mean. Good theory - I like the idea that Juubi may be good while the Sage is bad!
 

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Very good! nice work, I kinda made a similar analysis back in January

 

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great theory.one of the best i have ever seen but one problem i have never heard a story where god is defeated by the evil devil.it's always the god driving off the devil and the devil returning later.
 

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Great thread. The only thing id have to disagree with is the notion that Rikudo used the rinnegan to control the Juubi. It seems as if the Juubi is what granted the sage the rinnegan in the first place, kind of like how the Kyuubi gave Naruto healing powers. I like all the connections, but i really doubt the sage is going to end up being evil. That would be a huge twist. Its plausible of course, but personally im not seeing it
 

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great theory.one of the best i have ever seen but one problem i have never heard a story where god is defeated by the evil devil.it's always the god driving off the devil and the devil returning later.

I think that is what makes this one special, and in a sense you can say the devil didnt drive off god as much as he slowed his advance, which doesnt sound to unbelievable since that is what he does. He screws around with god to make him mad.


Great thread. The only thing id have to disagree with is the notion that Rikudo used the rinnegan to control the Juubi. It seems as if the Juubi is what granted the sage the rinnegan in the first place, kind of like how the Kyuubi gave Naruto healing powers. I like all the connections, but i really doubt the sage is going to end up being evil. That would be a huge twist. Its plausible of course, but personally im not seeing it

TY :D, a few things i would want to point out to you though.

1) The kyubi didnt give Naruto healing powers, Naruto has healing powers because he is an uzimaki much like karin who is also an uzimaki and can heal people if they bite her. Uzimaki are well known for there strong vitality.

2) The Sharingan has been shown to be able to control the Tailed beast, so it only makes sense that its higher state the Rinnegan would be able to control the higher state of tailed beast, the 10 tails.

3) I not saying it would be a plot twist, it will probably never be revealed publically, it is just one of many parellels that kishi puts in the series, alot like how amaterasu, tsy and susano are also japaenese myths related to izangi and izanami
 

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I think that is what makes this one special, and in a sense you can say the devil didnt drive off god as much as he slowed his advance, which doesnt sound to unbelievable since that is what he does. He screws around with god to make him mad.




TY :D, a few things i would want to point out to you though.

1) The kyubi didnt give Naruto healing powers, Naruto has healing powers because he is an uzimaki much like karin who is also an uzimaki and can heal people if they bite her. Uzimaki are well known for there strong vitality.

2) The Sharingan has been shown to be able to control the Tailed beast, so it only makes sense that its higher state the Rinnegan would be able to control the higher state of tailed beast, the 10 tails.

3) I not saying it would be a plot twist, it will probably never be revealed publically, it is just one of many parellels that kishi puts in the series, alot like how amaterasu, tsy and susano are also japaenese myths related to izangi and izanami
I do believe it is actually the Kyuubi, but even if it wasnt, all the jinchuriki gain abilities from their tailed beasts. Bee getting ink, the four-tails guy getting lava etc. But i get what youre saying, weve already seen Nagato take control of his summons with the rinnegan but what im trying to say is that he gained the rinnegan when he became the jinchuriki of the beast, so he probably didnt ever use it to control the Juubi considering it was inside of him. And oh that makes sense. I misinterpreted and thought you meant we were going to come to learn the sage was evil or something
Edit: You will find this theory interesting. A lot of similar ideas
 
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I do believe it is actually the Kyuubi, but even if it wasnt, all the jinchuriki gain abilities from their tailed beasts. Bee getting ink, the four-tails guy getting lava etc. But i get what youre saying, weve already seen Nagato take control of his summons with the rinnegan but what im trying to say is that he gained the rinnegan when he became the jinchuriki of the beast, so he probably didnt ever use it to control the Juubi considering it was inside of him. And oh that makes sense. I misinterpreted and thought you meant we were going to come to learn the sage was evil or something
Edit: You will find this theory interesting. A lot of similar ideas

Speaking on to whether he gained Rinnegan from the Juubi or whether he had it prior to fighting the Juubi is somewhat conjecture.

But there are a few things here, was he jinchuriki prior to sealing him away, because if not how did he use planetary devastation. Even if the rinnegan was the 10 tails abilitiy granted to the SO6P why would it then be passed down to his sons? that is something we havent seen from the other tailed beasts.
 
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