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ok, so i haven't made a theory/question thread in quite some time, and i must admit..that i am a lil rusty. with the help of my lovely bestie FoxyLadyLand, she's convinced me to make one.:win:
so i was reading through one of her threads earlier, a thread consisting of misconceptions about many things within the naruto manga. what caught my eye was the piece on oro vs sarutobi. next i will list a couple of facts, followed by a short list of question. i will then top it off by my own theory.


Facts
-oro researched, and utilized an imperfect for of edo tensei during his fight with sarutobi.
-oro intended to summon three separate people, but was only capable of summoning two.
-oro stated that the third coffin containing an edo didn't seem to work, but he was ok with that.
-sarutobi stated that he was able to stop the third coffin from bringing about the third edo.
- the two coffins that were summoned, contained edo hashirama and edo tobirama.

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now throughout the base, and everywhere else, the general consensus is that minato( the 4th hokage) was within the third coffin and he could not be edo'd do to the RDS....
but wait.....something isn't right..this doesn't make since right?


My Questions

-if oro could not break the RDS, then why would he attempt to edo minato? i mean he does his research.
-if sarutobi is capable of stopping edo, whouldn't oro know about that since pretty much about konoha and it's forbidden jutsu?
- if sarutobi stopped the edo of the alleged 4th, wouldn't that suggest that oro could have undone the RDS at anytime before and after he lost his arms?
-if oro could not have undone RDS at the time, then the 4th could not have been within the coffin. so wouldn't that mean that oro had attempted to edo someone else?
-if sarutobi stopped the third coffin, that would suggest he knew edo tensei. would that not be possible, since he was tobirama's student, and he was the hokage(granted access to all jutsu in the village), and since he was labeled "the professor"?


now, i would like to bring in my theory. i believe that oro was attempting to edo someone else other than the 4th. he must have known that he wasn't capable of undoing the RDS at that time. also, if he was going to edo the 4th, he wouldn't need the 1st and the 2nd. im pretty sure the FTG +oro is enough to defeat sarutobi in his old age. now lets say that oro didn't know how to undo RDS, and sarutobi understood how to undo edo. it was stated that oro improved upon edo tensei, but it doesn't state when he improved upon it. we also know that edo tensei is a forbidden jutsu created by tobirama who was once hokage. this would indicate that at some point it was recorded into the forbidden jutsu scoll of the village, and maybe...just maybe he taught the release to someone(sarutobi). if this were the case, then oro must have summoned someone else and sarutobi stopped it. maybe. madara? highly possible. no one knows exactly what was going on at the time, other that obito running around like batman lol. madara was dead by then, it's just a matter of finding the dna.... thought anyone?

*all credits to FoxyLadyLand, for giving me the courage and the insurance to make this thread. my bestie!*
 

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congrats kiddoXD I think this is definitely the first time I've ever heard this one before...
excellent!:hooray:
 

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Dude, it was already proven that it was Minato.
 

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congrats kiddoXD I think this is definitely the first time I've ever heard this one before...
excellent!:hooray:

awww thanx bestie! your the...very...best!!!!!


@iskorips- where was it proven? please let me know. no trolling, no spamming, seriously.
 
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Dude, it was already proven that it was Minato.

We have seen that in order for the coffin to exist; that the Edo ritual must be finalised first.

This couldn't be possible with Minato for obvious reasons.
 

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Dude, it was already proven that it was Minato.
kabuto told tobi lies probably , it would make sense if he did
We have seen that in order for the coffin to exist; that the Edo ritual must be finalised first.

This couldn't be possible with Minato for obvious reasons.

yeah and obviously kabuto is a liarXD...

also Hiruzen thought he stopped Edo Coffin ......maybe since he was Tobirama's student..
Tobirama would teach him somethings about stopping it..makes sense...

But Maybe Orochimaru learned a way around that weakness of edo tensei
so it couldn't easily be broken
 

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It was definatly the 4th. Glad you had some facts to try and prove it was not him though!
 

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@iskorips- where was it proven? please let me know. no trolling, no spamming, seriously.

We have seen that in order for the coffin to exist; that the Edo ritual must be finalised first.

This couldn't be possible with Minato for obvious reasons.

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kabuto told tobi lies probably , it would make sense if he did

. . . . . . . . . really, that's what you have to say. :|
 

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It was definatly the 4th. Glad you had some facts to try and prove it was not him though!
i don't see how it was the 4th. im sure i didn't miss anything....and wouldn't FTG be enough for old sarutobi??

kabuto told tobi lies probably , it would make sense if he did


yeah and obviously kabuto is a liarXD...

also Hiruzen thought he stopped Edo Coffin ......maybe since he was Tobirama's student..
Tobirama would teach him somethings about stopping it..makes sense...

But Maybe Orochimaru learned a way around that weakness of edo tensei
so it couldn't easily be broken
thanx bestie!
ever heard of a.....WriterFпckUpAndFutureRetCon???
lmfaoooo what?????
 
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kabuto told tobi lies probably , it would make sense if he did


yeah and obviously kabuto is a liarXD...


also Hiruzen thought he stopped Edo Coffin ......maybe since he was Tobirama's student..
Tobirama would teach him somethings about stopping it..makes sense...

But Maybe Orochimaru learned a way around that weakness of edo tensei
so it couldn't easily be broken

Are you trying to disprove my backing up of a point you came up with?

Kabuto didn't lie, he literally performed the ritual.

You saw it, I saw it, NB saw it, Obito saw it; don't doubt this.
 

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. . . . . . . . . really, that's what you have to say. :|

Are you trying to disprove my backing up of a point you came up with?

Kabuto didn't lie, he literally performed the ritual.

You saw it, I saw it, NB saw it, Obito saw it; don't doubt this.

no im not trying to disagreeXD im just saying you cant believe everything a character says..
I wrote it under your quote, but it wasn't exactly meant to combat it:sweat:
 

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It's manga fact that the third coffin was supposed to contain Minato, however, Kishimoto did not outline the specific mechanics of Edo Tensei back then, the Edo Tensei mechanics in Shippuden is not applicable to the mechanics of it back in part 1. :)
 
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. . . . . . . . . really, that's what you have to say. :|

The simple fact is that Orochimaru HAD to of already reincarnated Minato on order for him to be in a coffin.


If Orochimaru pre-made Edo Hashi and Tobirama, then why'd he not try Minato too? You expect him to try on the spot?

I think it was really badly explained, I do believe it was Minato in the coffin, but in no way can you explain that how he was in there.
 

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If you really think that what Kabuto said was a lie, I would recommend you ask a Mod to move this thread to the FanFiction section.
 

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It's manga fact that the third coffin was supposed to contain Minato, however, Kishimoto did not outline the specific mechanics of Edo Tensei back then, the Edo Tensei mechanics in Shippuden is not applicable to the mechanics of it back in part 1. :)

your key word sir, supposed. for all we know, oro could have lied to kabuto for one reason or another(although it doesn't seem likely)
 
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