Hashirama is lucky that Madara doesn't have amaterasu.

[Kakashi must Die]

Lol show me sasuke using tsukuyomi. once!

he used it in his fight with danzo

 

[AlphaScythian]

he used it in his fight with danzo

Sorry wrong answer, it was regular sharingan genjutsu

 

[Kakashi must Die]

wiki says otherwise "The first technique that Sasuke has displayed using the Mangekyō was Tsukuyomi, allowing him to break a target's will and paralyse them.[63] However, Danzō denounced Sasuke's might with the technique, reiterating Itachi's ability to alter a victim's perception of time while under his Tsukuyomi. Despite this, Tobi noted that Sasuke's resourcefulness and precise timing in its use are able to somewhat make up for the illusion's lack of power."

-from sasuke's page under magenkyou sharingan

 

[Kakashi must Die]

Itachi was more skilled with tsukuyomi but sasuke is better with amaterasu.

 

[KingHashirama]

Madara fans who say he doesn't have Amaterasu, underrate him . Illogical fans.

 

[Kakashi must Die]

One last quote from the susanoo wiki page

"Susanoo, also known as the Tempestuous God of Valour (勇武の荒神, Yūbu no Aragami), is the third ability granted by the Mangekyō Sharingan to those who awaken the abilities Tsukuyomi — which symbolises the "darkness of the spiritual world" and Amaterasu — which denotes the "light of the material world"."

 

[KidGamer65]

WHAT? If u lack = u dont have. Yours truly, Common Sense
Ok, if u think that its not healing, nothing i can do until kishi says so, cuz hints/evidences are not enough sometimes.Do i really have to back my every word with scan? I would think are reading same manga, u might remember something from recent chapters.

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no closed eye no pressure due to EMS

:sy: Lacking in something means you aren't good at it. It doesn't mean that he can't do it. Why else would he tell him he is severely lacking in his sensing skills when he supposedly doesn't have it? Hashirama is a sensor. Manga fact. Deal with it.

:sy: That sounds so dumb. The technique is what exerts the pressure not the eye closing. Again I ask. Got proof that Amaterasu doesn't exert pressure?

 

[AlphaScythian]

wiki says otherwise "The first technique that Sasuke has displayed using the Mangekyō was Tsukuyomi, allowing him to break a target's will and paralyse them.[63] However, Danzō denounced Sasuke's might with the technique, reiterating Itachi's ability to alter a victim's perception of time while under his Tsukuyomi. Despite this, Tobi noted that Sasuke's resourcefulness and precise timing in its use are able to somewhat make up for the illusion's lack of power."
-from sasuke's page under magenkyou sharingan

To recap. Danzo: oh u placed me under genjutsu, nice, but it sux compared to tsukuyomi. Obito: yeah danzo its far cry from tsukuyomi, the trick is when and how u use it. None of them confirmed it was tsukuyomi

Most genjutsu brake will and paralize, thats what genjutsu is about.
Further more, whenever sasuke used his genjutsu it was translated as sharingan genjutsu. He used it vs cloud fodder, zetsu, and edo itachi. When itachi used tsukuyomi it was translated as such.

And most important, tsukuyomi has unique world design which is inverted colours (negative) sasuke has black, grey, white shades but never inverted.
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And wikia had been wrong so many times and just completely makes sh*t up sometimes.

 

[AlphaScythian]

:sy: Lacking in something means you aren't good at it. It doesn't mean that he can't do it. Why else would he tell him he is severely lacking in his sensing skills when he supposedly doesn't have it? Hashirama is a sensor. Manga fact. Deal with it.

Yeah ur right i just remembered, zetsu is sensor too, most likely he can sense by touching the ground with finger, but its no good vs amaterasu. Then again hyuugas are sensors, but in reality its just doujutsu, like sharingan and rinnegan. My bet hashi isnt quite sensor u intend him to be, as sensors are not the same so their capabilities differ.

:sy: That sounds so dumb. The technique is what exerts the pressure not the eye closing. Again I ask. Got proof that Amaterasu doesn't exert pressure?

Ok so if hashi knows madara is about to pull the trigger. How does it help him?

 

[Kakashi must Die]

To recap. Danzo: oh u placed me under genjutsu, nice, but it sux compared to tsukuyomi. Obito: yeah danzo its far cry from tsukuyomi, the trick is when and how u use it. None of them confirmed it was tsukuyomi

Most genjutsu brake will and paralize, thats what genjutsu is about.
Further more, whenever sasuke used his genjutsu it was translated as sharingan genjutsu. He used it vs cloud fodder, zetsu, and edo itachi. When itachi used tsukuyomi it was translated as such.

And most important, tsukuyomi has unique world design which is inverted colours (negative) sasuke has black, grey, white shades but never inverted.
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And wikia had been wrong so many times and just completely makes sh*t up sometimes.

So are you implying tsukuyomi is not required to awaken susanoo?

 

[AlphaScythian]

So are you implying tsukuyomi is not required to awaken susanoo?

yes, sasuke doesnt have it (at least for now), and sasuke claimed both MS eyes is all u need for 3rd power, so neither is amaterasu a must

 

[Anxietyy]

yes, sasuke doesnt have it (at least for now), and sasuke claimed both MS eyes is all u need for 3rd power, so neither is amaterasu a must

Sasuke used tsukuyomi in his fight vs killer b.

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its tsukuyomi cause he went MS if it was normal one he woulda stayed 3 tomoe

 

[Kakashi must Die]

yes, sasuke doesnt have it (at least for now), and sasuke claimed both MS eyes is all u need for 3rd power, so neither is amaterasu a must

So the Sasuke wiki page and the susanoo wiki page are both wrong. Correct?

 

[KidGamer65]

Yeah ur right i just remembered, zetsu is sensor too, most likely he can sense by touching the ground with finger, but its no good vs amaterasu. Then again hyuugas are sensors, but in reality its just doujutsu, like sharingan and rinnegan. My bet hashi isnt quite sensor u intend him to be, as sensors are not the same so their capabilities differ.
Ok so if hashi knows madara is about to pull the trigger. How does it help him?

Hashirama can sense just like Tobirama can sense but not as good. Tobirama sensed Madara's chakra at the battlefield without touching the ground with his finger. That is only used to determine how many enemies there are.

He can easily swap out with a clone or sink into the ground using Mayfly.

 

[Percy Jackson]

Amaterasu don't turn somthing to dust in instance, i could have sworn that i've seen Amaterasu still burning hot on wood (or tree) when they are looking for sasuke. it should be advantage for hashirama use wood binding on anyone..

 

[Minator93]

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Hashirama used the wood-style to take the fire and seal it tight away U_U A jutsu of that level would not work against Hashirama who can catch a Tailed Beast Bomb U_U

 

[AlphaScythian]

Hashirama can sense just like Tobirama can sense but not as good. Tobirama sensed Madara's chakra at the battlefield without touching the ground with his finger. That is only used to determine how many enemies there are.

Well he sould determine how many enemies there are w/o ground if he's true sensor. Look at karin, she can sense nearly everything, Ao, and Shee are decent. Hashi is just as sensor as zetsu w/o SM.

He can easily swap out with a clone or sink into the ground using Mayfly.

Madara can track real hashirama among clones and can see through the ground and obstacles. Both moves are easily countered.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Hashirama used the wood-style to take the fire and seal it tight away U_U A jutsu of that level would not work against Hashirama who can catch a Tailed Beast Bomb U_U

Hashirama catching bijudama isnt impressive, bijudama failed to explode couple times already. It seems more of a water balloon really

 

[Smd]

I think If Madara has amaterasu, it would've been a pain in the a** for Hashirama to deal with him. How would he have counter it? Cuz Amaterasu is instantaneous.

I agree Amaterasu>Mokuton

Until confirmed otherwise, I'm sticking with the databook, which says both Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu are requirements for susano'o.

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amatersu+tuskyomi is needed in order to unlock susanno.

Guess wood style somehow beats a piece of hells fire.

 

[AlphaScythian]

^^^^And if u would read whole thread ud notice that id disproved that already

 

[KidGamer65]

Well he sould determine how many enemies there are w/o ground if he's true sensor. Look at karin, she can sense nearly everything, Ao, and Shee are decent. Hashi is just as sensor as zetsu w/o SM.
Madara can track real hashirama among clones and can see through the ground and obstacles. Both moves are easily countered.

Lmfao. Wrong again. Madara can only aim at one target with Amaterasu so if he uses substiution jutsu and makes Madara hit a clone then he missed, that's it, he needs to try again and then Hashirama will rinse and repeat.

So what if he can see him in the ground? He can't light him up through the ground.