The 9 Tailed Beasts: The Real Reason they were Created

[AlphaScythian]

Well the difference between the other Bijuu and the Juubi is that when the Bijuu are standing in front of Naruto, Naruto can feel their malice or bad intentions. When the Juubi is standing in front of Naruto, he feels nothing. That's why there is a difference.

Well that cuz its being controlled now, and malice is very subjective here one can kill u w/o having ill feeling to u, so its not the best argument.

 

[The God of Wind]

Well that cuz its being controlled now, and malice is very subjective here one can kill u w/o having ill feeling to u, so its not the best argument.

Kurama already said it doesn't have any feelings or motives of it's own. MANGA FACT! You're just arguing for the heck of it now, and you just came up completely empty with that post because it makes no logical point at all besides showing how desperately you want to keep clinging on to this. Admit it and move on. This guy knows what he's talking about, trust me.


Sorry for butting in like that Tebow.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Well that cuz its being controlled now, and malice is very subjective here one can kill u w/o having ill feeling to u, so its not the best argument.

Look what Kurama says here...

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"That thing has no feelings or ideals" then two pages later Obito and Madara hook themselves up to it. If you believe that Kurama was talking about it being controlled by Madara and Tobi (when they technically hadn't even begun to control it) then I'm not gonna convince you. I think it was made obvious enough by the author what Kurama was saying. To your second point. I am not saying he isn't going to attack people, in fact, I am saying the opposite. But there is no emotion or malice connected to it, it simply believes humans are detrimental to Nature's survival.

 

[The God of Wind]

Look what Kurama says here...

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"That thing has no feelings or ideals" then two pages later Obito and Madara hook themselves up to it. If you believe that Kurama was talking about it being controlled by Madara and Tobi (when they technically hadn't even begun to control it) then I'm not gonna convince you. I think it was made obvious enough by the author what Kurama was saying. To your second point. I am not saying he isn't going to attack people, in fact, I am saying the opposite. But there is no emotion or malice connected to it, it simply believes humans are detrimental to Nature's survival.

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[AlphaScythian]

Kurama already said it doesn't have any feelings or motives of it's own. MANGA FACT! You're just arguing for the heck of it now, and you just came up completely empty with that post because it makes no logical point at all besides showing how desperately you want to keep clinging on to this. Admit it and move on. This guy knows what he's talking about, trust me.
Sorry for butting in like that Tebow.

And why wont u butt out then?! Im giving my honest opinion here not arguing. It doesnt make sense for kurama to know much of juubi as kurama was born after it died.
Anything stated by any1 in this manga is limited to their knowledge, and its dubious for kurama to know much of juubi. So get lost, i dont think ur friend asked for ur help.

 

[The God of Wind]

And why wont u butt out then?! Im giving my honest opinion here not arguing. It doesnt make sense for kurama to know much of juubi as kurama was born after it died.
Anything stated by any1 in this manga is limited to their knowledge, and its dubious for kurama to know much of juubi. So get lost, i dont think ur friend asked for ur help.

The Ninetails knows all! He was once a part of that being, he is the oldest living entity in the entire Narutoverse.

 

[AlphaScythian]

The Ninetails knows all! He was once a part of that being, he is the oldest living entity in the entire Narutoverse.

It cant know all. It just has great experience cuz it lived for so long, but it cant know for sure about something that was b4 it.

 

[Transcendence]

Honestly, I can see the series ending so many different ways. I feel like I change my mind on the way I think it's gonna end every week. One thing I am confident about is what I put in this and the previous threads. There's just no way the Juubi is "evil" it wouldn't make sense anymore. The Uchiha aren't evil, the Senju aren't evil. "Evil" has become ambiguous in Naruto's world.

It is because Evil itself is ambiguous as well.

Kishi likes to apply real-life morals to Naruto and that is why there are no true villains in Naruto and any character that can be considered a villain had a catalyst some time in their life to lead them on that path. It applies to real life because nobody is actually evil nor born evil. It is due to influences and bad experiences that one's motives get distraught and ultimately are considered evil.

Example: Hitler.

Hitler was not bad from the start. He was an aspiring painter but was shunned in his country for it. It must have taken some kind of turn around of malefic proportions to make him into a fascist tyrant but it happened.



Anyways, OT:

I think there will be some kind of ambiguity that no one will see coming. I have been predicting for weeks that Naruto will meet the sage in some kind of chakra silhouette form (That he embedded in the Bijuu's which Naruto now has power from) to explain to Naruto things he experienced and how to stop the threat of the Juubi.

I also agree that the 8-Tails and 9-Tails will get absorbed but ultimately Naruto will get the Rinnegan and possibly the Juubi host (So he can decide on how to deal with it later).

The whole reason peace is such a far out wish is because people both in NV and IRL lack mutual understanding and it is only through traumatic and life-threatening situations that people come to understand others (Example, at first the Villages were skeptical of working together but the longer they fought against superior opposition the more their bonds grew). Naruto's goal of peace is one that is real and the only way to get that point across is with total power (Albeit without being a tyrant in more of a "I'm Naruto, the Juubi's host and the strongest Shinobi to live) and protection.

Great theory by the way.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

And why wont u butt out then?! Im giving my honest opinion here not arguing. It doesnt make sense for kurama to know much of juubi as kurama was born after it died.
Anything stated by any1 in this manga is limited to their knowledge, and its dubious for kurama to know much of juubi. So get lost, i dont think ur friend asked for ur help.

Okay, if the argument you are trying to make is, "We'll kurama wouldn't know" and I think we both know that argument is weak. But, even if that is your argument it doesn't matter because Naruto confirmed what Kurama said on the same page saying "It doesn't have evil intentions" whether kurama knows what he is talking about ( and I think it would be absurd if the author wrote the story like that) but its not a point that can argue against what I was saying about the Juubi.

 

[The God of Wind]

BTW I was wondering what your name was lol. If you want me to keep calling you Tebow then that's fine too.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Naruto failed to detect evil intentions on couple of occasions, further more in case of self defence can u consider it evil? Juubi may not particularly consider humans for anything more then bugs, it doent need malice to kill us.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

It is because Evil itself is ambiguous as well.

Kishi likes to apply real-life morals to Naruto and that is why there are no true villains in Naruto and any character that can be considered a villain had a catalyst some time in their life to lead them on that path. It applies to real life because nobody is actually evil nor born evil. It is due to influences and bad experiences that one's motives get distraught and ultimately are considered evil.

Example: Hitler.

Hitler was not bad from the start. He was an aspiring painter but was shunned in his country for it. It must have taken some kind of turn around of malefic proportions to make him into a fascist tyrant but it happened.



Anyways, OT:

I think there will be some kind of ambiguity that no one will see coming. I have been predicting for weeks that Naruto will meet the sage in some kind of chakra silhouette form (That he embedded in the Bijuu's which Naruto now has power from) to explain to Naruto things he experienced and how to stop the threat of the Juubi.

I also agree that the 8-Tails and 9-Tails will get absorbed but ultimately Naruto will get the Rinnegan and possibly the Juubi host (So he can decide on how to deal with it later).

The whole reason peace is such a far out wish is because people both in NV and IRL lack mutual understanding and it is only through traumatic and life-threatening situations that people come to understand others (Example, at first the Villages were skeptical of working together but the longer they fought against superior opposition the more their bonds grew). Naruto's goal of peace is one that is real and the only way to get that point across is with total power (Albeit without being a tyrant in more of a "I'm Naruto, the Juubi's host and the strongest Shinobi to live) and protection.

Great theory by the way.

Hey, thanks for the comment.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there are key differences between our ideas of how things are going to turn out. If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because of what the Juubi is doing, or did, or is going to do, it is evil. Maybe not "evil", but it understands what it is doing and actually harbors feelings against people and to this point I disagree. You are comparing it to shinobi like Obito and Madara who believe what they are doing is "right", but because of the way they are going about it, they are inherently wrong ( with the killing and things like that). But, the Juubi isn't like that. It doesn't have a sense of "wrong" or even "right" for that matter. The best way to explain it, "It just does what it does...". You have to seperate it from any ideology because it has none. It isn't doing the "right" thing the "wrong" way, it is not just another antagonist. It is supremely a force of nature, that acts only to preserve itself.

And I have to disagree with your point about Naruto. "I am Naruto, the strongest shinobi to live." Is an idea that got the world in the mess we see it in. He has to seperate himself from that thinking. He is going to realize the truth about the Juubi soon, and because of this fact he won't become it's jinchuuriki. And if he does, it will be briefly before it is allowed to return to its rightful place. The series has to end with the Juubi returned to the world, the Sage fortold it. It is the only way to bring balance.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

BTW I was wondering what your name was lol. If you want me to keep calling you Tebow then that's fine too.

Belive it or not, my name is actually Tim. Not Tim Tebow obviously, but yeah my names Tim.

You can call me either...

 

[Transcendence]

Hey, thanks for the comment.

I agree with a lot of what you're saying, but there are key differences between our ideas of how things are going to turn out. If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that because of what the Juubi is doing, or did, or is going to do, it is evil. Maybe not "evil", but it understands what it is doing and actually harbors feelings against people and to this point I disagree. You are comparing it to shinobi like Obito and Madara who believe what they are doing is "right", but because of the way they are going about it, they are inherently wrong ( with the killing and things like that). But, the Juubi isn't like that. It doesn't have a sense of "wrong" or even "right" for that matter. The best way to explain it, "It just does what it does...". You have to seperate it from any ideology because it has none. It isn't doing the "right" thing the "wrong" way, it is not just another antagonist. It is supremely a force of nature, that acts only to preserve itself.

And I have to disagree with your point about Naruto. "I am Naruto, the strongest shinobi to live." Is an idea that got the world in the mess we see it in. He has to seperate himself from that thinking. He is going to realize the truth about the Juubi soon, and because of this fact he won't become it's jinchuuriki. And if he does, it will be briefly before it is allowed to return to its rightful place. The series has to end with the Juubi returned to the world, the Sage fortold it. It is the only way to bring balance.

I agree with what you said, but by the Naruto being the strongest thing, it isn't his ideology. It's just him being renowned as the most powerful. With Power comes respect.

And with Obito/Madara (And to an extent Nagato) what I mean is that, there ideologies that they are bringing peace are morally ambiguous to a large extent but to them they feel they are doing good. Obviously they aren't but that is the case of True Evil (which largely does not exist) vs messed up motives that were brought upon said people by traumatizing events.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

I agree with what you said, but by the Naruto being the strongest thing, it isn't his ideology. It's just him being renowned as the most powerful. With Power comes respect.

And with Obito/Madara (And to an extent Nagato) what I mean is that, there ideologies that they are bringing peace are morally ambiguous to a large extent but to them they feel they are doing good. Obviously they aren't but that is the case of True Evil (which largely does not exist) vs messed up motives that were brought upon said people by traumatizing events.

To the bold. Right I understand all of that, but all of it is moot when it comes to the Juubi. "Messed up motives brought upon by traumatizing events" is going a bit too far when trying to understand the Juubi's intentions. I know its kind of a weird concept, but there is a difference between lets say Obito destroying all shinobi and the Juubi destroying all shinobi. While the action and repercussions are the same, there is still a huge difference. Obito is a human. He was brought up, learing about people, learing about right and wrong, he has emotions, ideals, hopes, dreams, etc. and all these things influence his decision to hypothetically kill every person. With the Juubi however, its completely different. The Juubi didn't grow up with ideas, hopes, dreams and other human traits. It hasn't been watching humans thinking, "I hate these things, I want to kill them." Or even, "these things are destroying Nature, I hate them for it and want revenge." It can't be linked to anything like that, because remember, it has no feelings or ideals. It simply realized there was a threat to the earth and responded accordingly.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

This thread deserves more views Lol

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

This thread deserves more views Lol

Ahh I guess you take what you can get. I really enjoy making them though. It's always fun to see your ideas put into writing.


Yours always stomp mine though

 

[P3ĮÑ]

Incredible very well put

 

[The God of Wind]

Ahh I guess you take what you can get. I really enjoy making them though. It's always fun to see your ideas put into writing.


Yours always stomp mine though

Man hell no!!

I don't think so. Yours are the best by far, you have made me realize more than the rest of NB's threads combined and you've made only a few so far. I know you're trying to be humble n all, but don't undermine yourself.

 

[Tebows Youth Group]

Man hell no!!

I don't think so. Yours are the best by far, you have made me realize more than the rest of NB's threads combined and you've made only a few so far. I know you're trying to be humble n all, but don't undermine yourself.

Haha I know I was just messin around. Its nice to get a bunch of views and replies but honestly just getting a few people that want to either debate or enhance your ideas is just as good as anything.