Base Mode Naruto vs Kakashi

[pateuvasiliu]

There we go.

Location: Random Forest

All current feats. Naruto can summon -every- toad at the Toad Mountain. He does not need Sage Mode to summon Fuka, Shima or the three boss toads.

Kakashi can't Kamui for 5 seconds ( meaning Naruto has the time to use a smoke bomb or a clone )

Scenario 1 - Naruto is base, can't access Sage Mode. Kakashi has no restrictions.

Scenario 2 - Naruto is base, he can access Sage Mode if he can. No restrictions for Kakashi.

Scenario 3 - Naruto is base, Kakashi can't use sharingan.

As much of a Kakashi fanboy as I am, I see no way for Kakashi to cope with the ridiculous amount of clones and summons Naruto has. His FRS is miles above anything Kakashi has and his brilliant use of clones makes sure he does not get Kamui'd.

Kakashi is more of an assassin, Raikiri and Kamui designed to take out single targets fast. I see no way for him to win, due to his low chakra ( in comparison ).

 

[Bogard]

Seems that you forget Kakashi's fighting since he got Kamui. It's for that reason i really hate this technique. Everyone now forget Kakashi once didn't have this technique but was already a formidable opponent and worthy kage level. Kakashi has the habit to use

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to avoid direct contact until he finds his opponents abilities or a possibility to strike

A tired Kakashi in part1(where his chakra level were the worse seen in the manga) was able to replicate Naruto's tajuu Kage bunshin:

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So Kakashi could probably use it to at least counter Naruto's amount of clone and find his way thru. Problem though is that he couldn't make that last for long and probably couldn't make as many as Naruto

Depending on the location, Kakashi could even use large Suiton attacks to get rid of those clones:

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If he really is in difficulties he can hide underground unnoticed while leaving a clone like it already happened canonically

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The clone can replicate everything the original can so he could also use his long range lightning wolf that could also dismantle the amount of clones Naruto could use and at the same time avoiding the contact and fooling Naruto:

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If the clone gets destroyed, the electrical shock will also dismantle the clones or original who hits, that's why Naruto must pay attention:

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It's canon that neither Naruto nor Sakura could follow Kakashi's handseal speed, so he Naruto would also be a step or 2behind in terms of jutsu execution speed

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If Naruto is also not careful enough, he could fall for a Sharingan genjutsu, but i don't see it happening though since Naruto already has great knowledge on it after witnessing a greater specialist in this category plenty of times(Itachi):

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I can't see Kakashi losing this

 

[EZQ]

First scenario kakashi stomps

Second scenario kakashi stomps

Third scenario kakashi wins low-med diff

 

[lanakui8]

Scenario 1) Base Naruto wins extreme diff
Kamui is almost useless against clone spam and if he misses the real Naruto, Kakashi loses the match as his body becomes extremely weakened after using the attack.
Gamabunta makes things difficult for Kakashi, Nartuo should be able to hang with him in speed and taijutsu department based on his showings against deva path and sasuke
Kakashi can't tank a rasengan and Naruto and his clones can spam rasengans while kakashi doesn't use clones in a fight due to his stamina

Scenario 2) SM Naruto wins low diff. Kamui is the only threat to Naruto while in SM and clone spam or dust cloud takes care of that.

Scenario 3) Naruto wins unknown diff

 

[Bogard]

Kamui is almost useless against clone spam and if he misses the real Naruto, Kakashi loses the match as his body becomes extremely weakened after using the attack.

Why will Kakashi of all people(someone as smart and skilfull as him) will want to try to warp Naruto among a huge amount of clone if he isn't sure to hit the original? Furthermore, the Kakashi you describe is antiquity Kakashi, not the war arc one who spamed it more than 5times along with other taxing jutsus with only starting to feel the strain after the 4th or 5th use of it

Gamabunta makes things difficult for Kakashi, Nartuo should be able to hang with him in speed and taijutsu department based on his showings against deva path and sasuke

Not really. Against Deva he was in the defensive and Sasuke was weakened. He is nowhere near Kakashi's level in taijutsu and speed. Kakashi has even demonstrated feats that rivals him in KM, let alone in base

Kakashi can't tank a rasengan and Naruto and his clones can spam rasengans while kakashi doesn't use clones in a fight due to his stamina

Yet a tired Kakashi against Zabuza was able to spam a great bunch of clones

Scenario 2) SM Naruto wins low diff. Kamui is the only threat to Naruto while in SM and clone spam or dust cloud takes care of that.

Did you read the OP? Where does Naruto find the time to enter SM on his own without being warped by Kamui when we know that he needs to remain immobile for that? Furthermore, his SM without Pa and Ma doesn't even last long. After 2Rasenshurikens, it finishes

 

[EZQ]

Kakashi is underrated, he doesn't have just kamui.

After naruto's training (3rd chapter of shippuden) kakashi owned 100 clones of naruto, so yeah kakashi wins all scenarios, and don't forget kakahsi has summons too

 

[EZQ]

oh and if kamui is not restricted, is negative win for kakashi in scenarios 1 and 2

 

[Targaryen]

Kakashi stomps all 3.

 

[lanakui8]

Why will Kakashi of all people(someone as smart and skilfull as him) will want to try to warp Naruto among a huge amount of clone if he isn't sure to hit the original?

I'm not saying Kakashi will try to warp naruto among clones, im just saying the reasons why spamming clones would make kakashi not want to use kamui.

Furthermore, the Kakashi you describe is antiquity Kakashi, not the war arc one who spamed it more than 5times along with other taxing jutsus with only starting to feel the strain after the 4th or 5th use of it

No, kakashi still becomes physically weakened right after he uses kamui. IF you noticed throughout his use of kamui in the war, he never moves around immediately after using it. Because Naruto and Gai were basically the ones fighting Tobi, Kakashi didn't have to move after using it.

Not really. Against Deva he was in the defensive and Sasuke was weakened. He is nowhere near Kakashi's level in taijutsu and speed.

Naruto was weakened against deva as he just left sage mode, and being on the defensive still means he was able to keep up with deva in taijutsu. Sasuke was not weakened as he had a chapter to rest after his last use of susanoo before he clashed with naruto, was not huffing and puffing, and speed does not drop linearly with stamina. Naruto is definitely around kakashi's level in taijutsu, the same kakashi who got stabbed when he went up against deva realm.

Kakashi has even demonstrated feats that rivals him in KM, let alone in base
Yet a tired Kakashi against Zabuza was able to spam a great bunch of clones

Although kakashi's performance against the V2 jinks were impressive, Kakashi only performed an initial blitz on the V2 jinchurikis who weren't even targeting him. As soon as the jinchuriki's started trying to attack kakashi and Gai, they easily dodged his Raikiri and sent both of them back with a single tailswipe.

Sure kakashi can make a lot of shadow clones, however with his chakra split among those many clones, they cannot use any of his techniques which is why he keeps the numbers really low when he actually fights people.

Did you read the OP? Where does Naruto find the time to enter SM on his own without being warped by Kamui when we know that he needs to remain immobile for that? Furthermore, his SM without Pa and Ma doesn't even last long. After 2Rasenshurikens, it finishes

Naruto's clones can enter SM, and Naruto's feats of entering SM are almost intantaneous. If he summons bunta, he can go in bunta's mouth or on bunta's head and easily get into SM. Current Naruto can summon Ma and Pa and fuse with them for indefinite Sage mode as well. And Naruto has no reason to use FRS against kakashi when a normal rasengan will kill him.

 

[EZQ]

lol no ^^

naruto has no chance against kakashi..

SM Naruto is dangerous, but he hasn't shown high speed feats, so kamui is still warping him.

MS Kakashi > SM Naruto , when naruto achieved KM, then he rapes kakashi, since kakashi would have a lot of troubles warping him.

Let alone Base Mode naruto, who gets his ass whoped by kakashi

 

[lanakui8]

lol no ^^

naruto has no chance against kakashi..

SM Naruto is dangerous, but he hasn't shown high speed feats, so kamui is still warping him.

MS Kakashi > SM Naruto , when naruto achieved KM, then he rapes kakashi, since kakashi would have a lot of troubles warping him.

Let alone Base Mode naruto, who gets his ass whoped by kakashi

both base naruto and Sage naruto counter Kamui with clone spam as kakashi will be defenseless if he warps away the wrong naruto and he has no way to tell the real from the clones.
Sage Naruto counters Kamui with clone spam and dust cloud
And sage Naruto has shown high speed shunshin and that coupled with his sage mode sensing would allow him to avoid Kamui.

Kakashi has never used kamui offensively against a target that wanted to avoid him, and while he focuses on the target, he is wide open to getting taken out by a clone. Kamui is not an option against multiple opponents.

Also, you can't just say "lol no" you have to address the points of my argument otherwise points that go unaddressed are tacitly conceded.

 

[Icelerate]

Did you read the OP? Where does Naruto find the time to enter SM on his own without being warped by Kamui when we know that he needs to remain immobile for that? Furthermore, his SM without Pa and Ma doesn't even last long. After 2Rasenshurikens, it finishes

The OP said that Kakashi can't use kamui 5 seconds right after the fight starts.

Anyway

Scenario 1 - Naruto is base, can't access Sage Mode. Kakashi has no restrictions.Naruto high difficulty.

Scenario 2 - Naruto is base, he can access Sage Mode if he can. No restrictions for Kakashi. Naruto high difficulty.

Scenario 3 - Naruto is base, Kakashi can't use sharingan. Kakashi mid-high difficulty.

Overall, Naruto's clone spam is a great counter for kamui but base Naruto isn't really all that great so Kakashi doesn't need to use it on him as base Kakashi>>>>base Naruto.

 

[Vexorian]

As long as Sage Mode is requires prep time and is the maximum Naruto can go for this fight, then Kakashi quite simply has this in the bag.

 

[Penguin]

Kakashi wins med Difficulty.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Scenario 1 - Naruto is base, can't access Sage Mode. Kakashi has no restrictions.Naruto high difficulty.

Scenario 2 - Naruto is base, he can access Sage Mode if he can. No restrictions for Kakashi. Naruto high difficulty.

Scenario 3 - Naruto is base, Kakashi can't use sharingan. Kakashi mid-high difficulty.

How can Kakashi win the third scenario if he can't win the first?

 

[Champ]

Naruto wins all three

 

[EZQ]

Wow kakashi is underrated.

First scenario: In the 3rd chapter of shippuden, kakashi already showed that he can whoop 50 clones at the same time, also kakashi can make a lot of clones (a tired kakashi after fighting zabuza made around 30) , Kakashi can stryke the real naruto since he can distinguish wich is the real with sharingan. OH YOU FORGOT SHARINGAN CAN SEE TROUGHT CLONES, TOO BAD. Kakashi med diff.

Second scenario: SM Naruto can't make a lot of clones, he can just make 3, since he can't split his chakra that much when he's on sage mode, and SM Naruto hasn't shown high speed feats, so he gets warped, AND that happens if you don't keep in mind that as soon as naruto wants to enter SM he gets warped, kakashi is smart, he wouldn't run the risk to match a SM Naruto in close combat. Kakashi med diff and HIGH DIFF if naruto enters SM

Third scenario: Kakashi doesn't have sharingan on this one, so he would be smart enough to use his ninkens and keep long range atacks to destroy naruto's clones, Kakashi would outclass naruto in taijutsu, speed and genjutsu, KAKASHI WINS MED-HIGH DIFF

 

[pateuvasiliu]

SM Naruto is dangerous, but he hasn't shown high speed feats, so kamui is still warping him.

Naruto can easily sense Kamui coming. He stated he could not feel Kakashi's chakra on a pretty large radius. If it's just the 2 of them Kakashi can't take him by surprise.

Second scenario: SM Naruto can't make a lot of clones, he can just make 3,

No, that was his limit due to having the Sage Mode clones at Toad Mountain.

as soon as naruto wants to enter SM he gets warped, kakashi is smart, he wouldn't run the risk to match a SM Naruto in close combat.

What stops Naruto from sending a clone to enter SM and Kakashi kamuis it instead?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Kakashi takes both scenario 1 and 2.
Naruto high difficulty scenario 3.

Clone spam wont work on kakashi since he has the sharingan and has been shown handling clones in high quantities with just taijutsu. Kakashi also has a more ninjutsu than naruto. Lightning transmission cuts through all naruto's clones if necessary.
Kakashi is a master of clone feints while naruto on the other hand spams them like you said. Without kyuubi and sage mode he has no method of finding the real kakashi. Frs takes up a lot of chakra. 3 was his limit without kyuubi chakra, i'll give him 5 now but it doesn't matter since it has no effect if it doesn't hit. If it does chances are its just a clone resulting in damage to him and clones around him.
Last time he did it he injured himself. I don't think kakashi will let him go sage mode and if he does the amount of clones he can make drops to roughly 5. If he uses ma/pa to make it last longer That makes him stick out from his clones becoming a target for kamui.

 

[lanakui8]

Wow kakashi is underrated.

First scenario: In the 3rd chapter of shippuden, kakashi already showed that he can whoop 50 clones at the same time, also kakashi can make a lot of clones (a tired kakashi after fighting zabuza made around 30) , Kakashi can stryke the real naruto since he can distinguish wich is the real with sharingan. OH YOU FORGOT SHARINGAN CAN SEE TROUGHT CLONES, TOO BAD. Kakashi med diff.

kakashi never fought 50 clones at the same time. Kakashi's clones have never used any jutsu, and due to his chakra capacity he only uses 1 in combat since he would not be able to use his better jutsus with his chakra split so much. Kakashi in no way can distinguish which is the real naruto.

Second scenario: SM Naruto can't make a lot of clones, he can just make 3, since he can't split his chakra that much when he's on sage mode, and SM Naruto hasn't shown high speed feats, so he gets warped,

SM NAruto can make as many clones as he wants to, the 5 clone limit only applies to when he has 2 clones out gathering natural chakra elsewhere. SM Naruto has shown high speed shunshin when he crossed a huge distance and rasengan blitzed asura realm before pain could even react.

AND that happens if you don't keep in mind that as soon as naruto wants to enter SM he gets warped, kakashi is smart, he wouldn't run the risk to match a SM Naruto in close combat. Kakashi med diff and HIGH DIFF if naruto enters SM

Naruto's clones can enter SM so kakashi won't know which one is the real, and naruto can both use a smoke bomb to block los and enter SM, summon ma and pa and enter SM, or summon bunta and hide in his mouth or ride on his back and enter SM. Kakashi would be handily defeated by the true SM Naruto not this gimped version you speak of.

Third scenario: Kakashi doesn't have sharingan on this one, so he would be smart enough to use his ninkens and keep long range atacks to destroy naruto's clones, Kakashi would outclass naruto in taijutsu, speed and genjutsu, KAKASHI WINS MED-HIGH DIFF

Naruto's clones have speed and taijutsu feats on par with kakashi, he is not taking them out with any ease from long range attacks and genjutsu is useless against a perfect jink. Naruto wins this med-high diff due to clone and rasengan spam.

Kakashi takes both scenario 1 and 2.
Naruto high difficulty scenario 3.

Clone spam wont work on kakashi since he has the sharingan and has been shown handling clones in high quantities with just taijutsu.

please post a scan of kakashi handling high quantities of clones with taijutsu. Actually post a scan of the last person who handled more than 5 clones with just taijutus.

Kakashi also has a more ninjutsu than naruto. Lightning transmission cuts through all naruto's clones if necessary.

lightning transformation is dodged due to naruto's speed feats, or easily canceled if naruto clashes a rasengan with it.

Kakashi is a master of clone feints while naruto on the other hand spams them like you said. Without kyuubi and sage mode he has no method of finding the real kakashi.

naruto is an even better clone feinter than kakashi and kakashi only uses 1 clone at max while in combat, else his chakra is split too much to use any relevant ninjutsu

Frs takes up a lot of chakra. 3 was his limit without kyuubi chakra, i'll give him 5 now but it doesn't matter since it has no effect if it doesn't hit. If it does chances are its just a clone resulting in damage to him and clones around him.

kakashi can't survive a normal rasengan, why in the world would naruto use something as chakra-taxing as FRS to beat him? Using a FRS to beat kakashi is like using an RPG to kill a mouse.

Last time he did it he injured himself. I don't think kakashi will let him go sage mode and if he does the amount of clones he can make drops to roughly 5. If he uses ma/pa to make it last longer That makes him stick out from his clones becoming a target for kamui.

Naruto's SM clone limit does not exist if he doesn't have them gathering chakra elsewhere. Naruto can transform his clones to look like ma and pa, and or use dust cloud to make kamui attempts null. And kakashi can't kamui naruto if he is being pressured by a sage clone unless he wants to die.