[Theory] The Sage's Sons: The real reason for the "Curse of Hatred"

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Before you read you will notice the thread is broken into 2 parts. Part 1 is where I lay the ground work for the my theory and Part 2 is a little more ground work and then the actual theory itself.​



The Uchiha​
The Senju​


Mortal Enemies

Have Been Fighting for Generations

Both Find Importance in Love (Hmmm?)​



Part 1: The Groundwork​

So it is as Suigetsu said when talking about the Uchiha, "They can get along with the Senju. With that strong power of love or whatever."



And Tobirama gave his response. Explaining that the Uchiha's love is in fact TOO strong and that if it goes unchecked can cause them to spiral out of control into a world of hate and darkness.


For many of us, this was a startling revelation. But do you know why it was so surprising? What gave you the idea that the Senju cared about love and the Uchiha cared for power. I'll help you out...

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So the Senju's ancestor wanted peace through love while the Uchiha's ancestor wanted peace through power. BUT HOLD ON something's wrong now. Why does the Senju care more about love? We were just shown that the Uchiha care about love just as much if not MORE than the Senju.

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So it is no longer safe to assume what we were originally told by Tobi.


This....​
Senju=Love

Uchiha=Hate

....No longer makes sense




In fact, I submit to you, the reader, that the only reason we bought into Tobi's explanation is because it came first, so it stuck in our heads. Had we been presented the information in the reverse order.

First: The Uchiha's love is too strong

Then: The Uchiha ancestor sought peace through power

We would think the opposite of how we do now...


So this leaves us exactly where now?​



Part 2: My Theory

Going back to Tobi's statement

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The two things that no longer make sense are that..

1. The Elder Son sought Power, while the Younger Son sought Love.

2. The Elder son betrayed the Younger BECAUSE he was not named his successor (Without point number 1, this point can't really be true in the way it was presented to us. Ergo the Younger was not named the successor because of their views about love and power. I'll explain a little later if you don't quite understand.)



This brings me to my theory. And I use that word very literally because when it comes to the Sage's sons there is so little hard evidence to go by. But I will use what raw facts I know.

So if the Elder is the Uchiha's ancestor, we can assume he had the same "symptoms" his descendants had.

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If we believe this, then the Elder son would not have become hostile towards his brother unless he experienced a great loss. Not some petty jealousy of being named his father's successor. When have we ever seen an Uchiha show such rage over jealousy? It is always with loss that they activate, "the mirrors eye".

Given what we know the only prominent death around that time... You guessed it.

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The Sage of Six Paths' death.​

But why? Why would this cause the Elder son to betray the Younger?



Well, lets take what we know about them

  • The Elder was blessed with the Sage's eyes
  • The Younger was blessed with the Sage's body and life force.


And what do we know about the descendants of the Sage's body and life force?

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They have incredible healing properties.

So what does this mean....



My Theory.

The Sage, growing old, was on his deathbed and had little time left, but the Elder son, with his intense love of his close ones, could not accept his father's death. He knew his brother, with his strong life force, had the ability to at least prolong his father's life, but he refused, not because he wanted his father to die, but because he understands the circle of life, unlike his irrational older brother (whose ancestors we see display that same irrational behavior). So, his father dies and the Elder blames the Younger for his death, believing the Younger had the power to save him. Thus entails, our true cycle of hatred. The true reasons for GENERATIONS of fighting. Not some useless quarrel of jealousy, but the different ideas of what LOVE truly is.
 
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I like the theory, but I think you are making it too complex. Anything either son could have done, was doable by the Sage himself. I can see how the elder son could develop his eyes from the loss of the love, but I simply just see the hate that just happened because the Sage died, and chose the younger over the elder.
 

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I like the theory, but I think you are making it too complex. Anything either son could have done, was doable by the Sage himself. I can see how the elder son could develop his eyes from the loss of the love, but I simply just see the hate that just happened because the Sage died, and chose the younger over the elder.

I think I see what youre trying to say. Are you saying that he wouldnt have blamed the Younger for not saving the Sage when the Sage could have done it himself? If so, I agree, but I think it would have worked out more like the Sage knew his time had come and even though his Oldest son pleaded to him, the Sage was accepting to death. So, the Older son turned towards the Younger son, knowing he had the power of life as well, but the Younger refused, respecting his father's wishes. I get what you're saying, but I imagine a scenario like that.
 

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Great and well structured theory.............

It was totally worth reading but I beg to differ on the last point you made that younger son could have saved SO6P with his life force because even if you have life force you can't create life forms from it and if it was possible in some way it would have been insignificant as compared to life force of the SO6P himself
 

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Great and well structured theory.............

It was totally worth reading but I beg to differ on the last point you made that younger son could have saved SO6P with his life force because even if you have life force you can't create life forms from it and if it was possible in some way it would have been insignificant as compared to life force of the SO6P himself

I mean, you could be right. But, for my theory, I don't think its a detail that matters. Whether the Younger son could or could not save the Sage is not whats important, but that the Older thought he could save his father. However, I will say, that if there was any body as strong as the Sage's it was his concentrated direct blood line that inherited his life force.
 

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Good Read, Although i have a feeling that kishi is going to touch base on this a little more:)
 

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Good Read, Although i have a feeling that kishi is going to touch base on this a little more:)

Hey thanks for the comment. And yeah, the story is turning into two sides of the same coin with the Senju and Uchiha. They are becoming increasingly more similar. It wouldn't make sense that this all started with such differing view points on something so trivial.
 
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REPS...All the way bro Good one ...Best I've seen so far....
But If you would care to share thoughts...I would like to add to this theory that maybe it was not exactly how it may have been ..
It could have been due to that fact of the challenge may not have occurred exactly when the sage died meaning like exactly after his death....I personally believe that it was some time after....maybe a good while after...it could have been set up like this...

When the younger Brother took his position of power his intentions was good ...But he sat back and did nothing to get the world in order.while many innocent people died...the Younger bro still kept to his philosophy of (love was the way to find peace)...inwhich many could not grasp the aspect of it.....
So it was the elder who indeed had the abundunce of Love Inside of him who found it hard to sit back and watch as his brother rule with the dream of hoping that one day magically the world would find Peace through love.....
Now for the reason why he challenged him.....it is entirely unknown....it could of been because a lose he had experience which actually cause3d him to actually (SEAL AWAY) his Abundance of Love.....In order to activate his Might to a Greater Height.....

Well...just my Imput...REp....To You Bro....KEEP IT UP>>>
 
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