Obito's Kamui is useless against Minato

[Draphsin]

That's a good point, but how do we know that Obito was specifically trying to warp Minato to the Kamui Dimension? I mean sure it would make sense but we don't have any conclusive proof.

Obito hasnt been shown to warp somebody to anywhere else other than his dimension...

 

[PredictionGuru]

Obito kamuis to the sun. drops mintaos kunai there
kamuis back
sucks mintao in
mintao teleports buck
bute to aaaa da sun
gg both deadi hhhihoho​

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Good to see some rationalism here. Now it'll just be trouble convincing people that he can place a seal on the user to teleport inside Susano'o to attack them.

why not !!!!!!! If madara can place kyubi inside susanoo clock then why can't minato or OBITO teleport inside susanoo

 

[Guardian of the Rain]

Nahh. Not useless, but just not as threatening. By the way, don't get encouraged just because a lot of this simple dimwits are blindly posting, "I agree" and what not.
Minato can be momentarily unconscious or unfocused in some way. Obito only needs about three seconds to warp someone to the Kamui dikensioj, in which Minato won't be able to escape from. Thus, Kamui poses a threat to Minato. However, it is unknown whether or not FTG is negated there or not.

 

[SilverSlick]

why not !!!!!!! If madara can place kyubi inside susanoo clock then why can't minato or OBITO teleport inside susanoo

Unless Minato has a tag on the Susano'o user, he's not getting in there. That's why Kamui>FTG.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

I disagree. Obito's dimension severs the connection between Minato and his kunai. Otherwise, he wouldn't have tried.

Either way, the fight alone proves that Obito can instantly teleport someone if he expels enough chakra Once Minato is in another dimension, he'll be put into a genjutsu like Foo and Torune were.

come on a space time user has full liberty to move between any dimension and is unaffected by time. There is always some loophole between two places. like place A and B. it doesnt matter where these places are . all the user needs to do is move from point A to point B. In this case point A is kamui's world and point B is minato 's kunai. as simple as that

 

[Draphsin]

come on a space time user has full liberty to move between any dimension and is unaffected by time. There is always some loophole between two places. like place A and B. it doesnt matter where these places are . all the user needs to do is move from point A to point B. In this case point A is kamui's world and point B is minato 's kunai. as simple as that

Okay if you want to deny that then please tell me what minato will do once he runs out of places to teleport?

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

What happens when minato runs out of kunai? U_U (obito can destroy them by tracking where minato teleports, and this is even assuming that minato can travel between dimensions...)

When did OBITO become a tracking or sensor type ninja. Minato might have put one kunai in fire country, one in rain , one in hidden cloud, etc etc . obito will become insane tracking all those kunais.

 

[SilverSlick]

Nahh. Not useless, but just not as threatening. By the way, don't get encouraged just because a lot of this simple dimwits are blindly posting, "I agree" and what not.
Minato can be momentarily unconscious or unfocused in some way. Obito only needs about three seconds to warp someone to the Kamui dikensioj, in which Minato won't be able to escape from. Thus, Kamui poses a threat to Minato. However, it is unknown whether or not FTG is negated there or not.

I believe it is less than a second. After he failed the first time, he said "I'll warp him the moment I lay my hand on him". By this statement alone and what had just happened, we can use deductive logic to conclude Obito can Kamui Minato before he has enough time to teleport to a kunai. If I was wrong, Obito wouldn't have attempted a second time.

 

[Dissonant Values]

Obito hasnt been shown to warp somebody to anywhere else other than his dimension...

What about when Obito warped Sasuke and Karin to Danzo on the Samurai Bridge? i would think he merely warped them there from the Kage Summit Venue. I'd find it kind of odd if he had to warp to the Kamui dimension everytime he wanted to go somewhere....almost as a byway.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

Okay if you want to deny that then please tell me what minato will do once he runs out of places to teleport?

If all those kunai in battle fields are destroyed by OBITO then still some might remain in secret hide out minato just as a fail safe mechanism. But I wonder if this battle will be over untill then.

OP kamui is useless against minato . that's all

 

[kakashi ms]

no minato can't go out from the other dimension
the other dimension is special place no one can go in and out from it except for obito and kakahsi
even other kamui's user can't do that
there wan't any parts of minato inside the other dimension even if there was part that isn't mean he can get out from the other dimension

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here obito said that you has the same eye (about kakashi)so that mean tat even other kamui' user can't go in and out from obito and kakashi's other diemnsion

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obito wasn't stupid he was learned by madara and he was able to control the kiubi so he know that minato can't go out from the other dimension
and even all that kakashi's kamui is different as kakashi can warp parts of objects
so he can warp some one's neck
kakashi warped naruto without obito who has sharingan note so his kamui is above the reaction i don't think minato will feel to use his ftg

 

[Draphsin]

When did OBITO become a tracking or sensor type ninja. Minato might have put one kunai in fire country, one in rain , one in hidden cloud, etc etc . obito will become insane tracking all those kunais.

I knew you would say that. Tell me how obito found out where minato was exactly, after he teleported away from konoha?

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He was also able to track konan too...I wont provide proof because i think ive made my point

What about when Obito warped Sasuke and Karin to Danzo on the Samurai Bridge? i would think he merely warped them there from the Kage Summit Venue. I'd find it kind of odd if he had to warp to the Kamui dimension everytime he wanted to go somewhere....almost as a byway.

Yeah thats how it works. Obito warped sasuke and karin to his dimension before he met up with danzo. Also, we have no idea how time is affected in that dimension, maybe its different so movement is near instant? It doesnt matter point is he teleports people to his dimension, thats how he traps his victims.

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

Nahh. Not useless, but just not as threatening. By the way, don't get encouraged just because a lot of this simple dimwits are blindly posting, "I agree" and what not.
Minato can be momentarily unconscious or unfocused in some way. Obito only needs about three seconds to warp someone to the Kamui dimension, in which Minato won't be able to escape from. Thus, Kamui poses a threat to Minato. However, it is unknown whether or not FTG is negated there or not.

It may not be useless, but we are left to infer that he can escape it since his technique is classified as Space-Time Ninjutsu. We can't say for sure no, but it's just my personal opinion that he would be able to do this. Also, offtopic but love the sig :3 Reborn FTW

 

[Aertes]

I disagree with that.
Kamui is a S/T jutsu that provides another dimension to the wielder,a dimension created by the eyes power that only those who have the same eye (aka Kakashi,Obtito) can interact with.It's like another "mini world" created by the kamui users. So unless Minato have the same eye power (obviously he doesn't) he wont be able to bridge the two dimensions (kamui/real world) to interact with his kunai's and be able to teleport.
If that was the case any user with an S/T jutsu or even a reverse kuchioyse could escape from kamui's dimension.But that doesn't seem to be the case since Kakashi and Obito were always very confident when they send something to kamui dimension and Obito has been using MS longer so he would have known.
Minato could avoid Obito's kamui cause it requires touch and Minato is a talented s/t users with fast reflexes.
But if he is in,he wont gets out unless Obito or Kakashi take him out.

 

[Draphsin]

If all those kunai in battle fields are destroyed by OBITO then still some might remain in secret hide out minato just as a fail safe mechanism. But I wonder if this battle will be over untill then.

OP kamui is useless against minato . that's all

Wherever minato teleports, obito will be able to track him. All of minato's kunai will run out eventually and when they do its over, so kamui > minato, let alone it being useless lol

 

[Bogard]

Obito kamuis to the sun. drops mintaos kunai there
kamuis back
sucks mintao in
mintao teleports buck
bute to aaaa da sun
gg both deadi hhhihoho​

1- Lol, so Obito will be taking the kunais and Minato will just be there watching? The time he takes just one kunai, Hiraishin blitz would already happen
2- What about the markings he put everywhere on the floor, on stones, at home, etc? Will he also take piece of those walls, stones, floors, home, etc to teleport to the sun?
3- Why will Minato want to teleport to the sun to begin with?
4- When Obito takes his kunais to the sun, does he suddenly become immune to high temparatures? He will get desintegrated just by staying there less than 1second

 

[SilverSlick]

come on a space time user has full liberty to move between any dimension and is unaffected by time. There is always some loophole between two places. like place A and B. it doesnt matter where these places are . all the user needs to do is move from point A to point B. In this case point A is kamui's world and point B is minato 's kunai. as simple as that

Considering Minato needs the connection between him and his kunai and that being in another dimension will most definitely sever that connection. Again, Obito wouldn't have tried if there was any chance Minato could come back. He'd change his fighting style. I don't believe this is stubborness. Obito knows the mechanics of his own jutsu and he's probably studied FTG enough to know.

Think of it this way, when Obito goes intangible, his body can't be sensed. Just think of it the other way around. If Minato is in Obito'a dimension, he'll not be able to sense anything or anyone outside of the dimension.

 

[Inichi Matsuka]

I disagree with that.
Kamui is a S/T jutsu that provides another dimension to the wielder,a dimension created by the eyes power that only those who have the same eye (aka Kakashi,Obtito) can interact with.It's like another "mini world" created by the kamui users. So unless Minato have the same eye power (obviously he doesn't) he wont be able to bridge the two dimensions (kamui/real world) to interact with his kunai's and be able to teleport.
If that was the case any user with an S/T jutsu or even a reverse kuchioyse could escape from kamui's dimension.But that doesn't seem to be the case since Kakashi and Obito were always very confident when they send something to kamui dimension and Obito has been using MS longer so he would have known.
Minato could avoid Obito's kamui cause it requires touch and Minato is a talented s/t users with fast reflexes.
But if he is in,he wont gets out unless Obito or Kakashi take him out.

Hm... good point. So maybe it isn't useless after all.. just not a prime way to take him down considering his own speed.

 

[Baka Sennin]

I disagree. Obito's dimension severs the connection between Minato and his kunai. Otherwise, he wouldn't have tried.

Either way, the fight alone proves that Obito can instantly teleport someone if he expels enough chakra Once Minato is in another dimension, he'll be put into a genjutsu like Foo and Torune were.

Tobi is my favourite character, but stating that whoever gets warped into that dimension is put into a genjutsu is very false. first of all, we didn't see them getting put under a genjutsu when sucked in, only coming out in a genjutsu. meaning tobi could have put them under at any time. secondly, neither sasuke, karin, kakashi, or naruto's clone were put under a genjutsu when warped. meaning tobi has to go into his dimension and do it manually. and minato can attack him when he materialises in there.

tobi trying to warp minato does not mean it would have worked. oro tried to summon the fourth, it failed. hiruzen tried to block it, it failed also. when you don't know the full extent of a technique you can get beaten by the details.

edit: that said, i fully believe that kamui, esp complete, is superior to ftg by a significant amount. meaning kakashi imo would be able to kill minato as easily as he would be able to kill other characters, bar tobi ofc. however its pretty much canon that s/t techniques cancel each other out, so the skill with which the technique is wielded determines the winner and it's pretty clear that minato is more skilled than obito at that, at least at that stage. also, pretty much no-one can reverse kuchiyose bar minato, only jiraiya did it once by mistake.