A Complete Breakdown of the Juubi: Why your assumptions may be wrong.

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The Juubi: The Progenitor, The God who created all Countries​

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Part 1: The Misconception​

Many people have come to believe that it is the harbinger of death. Or the final antagonist. Or the ultimate evil in Naruto...

And with images like these...

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And statements like the one Tobi made...

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Surely we cannot not be blamed. But, we have been fooled. For the Juubi is not evil. It is in fact, pure and righteous in every sense.

Let me explain..

The proof initial proof lies here...

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Naruto's ability to sense malice. Which brings me to here...

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The Juubi has no evil intentions. It has no thoughts or desires. It is Nature personified. Nothing more. Allow me to show you what I mean.


Since the beginning we have been fed this notion that the tailed beasts are "evil", starting with the Kyuubi.

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Ahh this brings me back, remember when we all thought the Kyuubi was the harbinger of death and the baddest thing on the planet? Well we found this to be untrue as well. In fact, Kurama's hate stems from the fact that he was abused and misunderstood by humans.

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The Bijuu are nothing more than large masses of chakra that have been abused my humans. Shinobi, in their quest for power, took control of these beasts and used them as they wished. How would you feel?



You may be saying, "Oh well yeah, the Bijuu aren't evil, so what? They were influenced by the Sage. Ah-Hah! the Juubi is evil!"

Hmmm, okay, however unlikely that seems to me, I will give it some merit. But I hope I can disband that notion as well. However, in order for me to do that, I must explain exactly what I think the Juubi is, then you will realize why it has no evil intentions.​


Part 2: What makes a Juubi?​

The Juubi. For those who know the Sage of 6 Paths= Uzumaki theory, this may seem like a review, but it is important.​

I, and others, have held our ground on the idea of the Sage being an Uzumaki. And one of the supporting arguments is that the Juubi is where Ninjutsu originates from, not the Sage. Before the Sage fought the Juubi, he, nor anyone else could use Ninjutsu. There has been some confusion about this statement, but I hope I can clear that up right now.


As I said before the Juubi, is Nature personified. It represents man's struggle against nature and the Sage, representing Humans, was finally able to harness it. Think about Ninjutsu for a second..

Fire
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Earth
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Water
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Lighting
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Wind
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What are these?! They are affinities of Nature. And the Juubi is where Ninja's derive their elemental affinites from.

Think about the Rinnengan. It can use every elemental affinity.

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And I think it has become increasingly more obvious that the Sage didn't have the Rinnengan until AFTER he beat the Juubi (I know some of you still have not come to terms with this, but it can't be helped). If we can accept this as a fact, then would it not make sense that the Rinnengan's ability to use all the elements stems from the fact that it came from Juubi (Nature). And if we can accept this fact, than does it also not seem likely that everyone's affinity thereafter is just a diluted version of what was originally all of the affinities in one? This is why I firmly believe that the Uzumaki CAN NOT USE NINJUTSU, because they have no elemental affinity. Show me a page of an Uzumaki using a simple Fire, Wind, etc. type jutsu, it doesn't exist.

Before you mention Naruto, remember, he is not a pure Uzumaki and before you mention Nagato, remember he had the Rinnengan.


But, but, this still doesn't explain why the Juubi isn't evil?? Thank you sir or mam, but that leads me to my last and final point


Part 3: Why?​


So the question remains. Why? Why has all this happened? Why, if the Juubi wasn't evil, did the Sage fight it? Well if you're still with with me, and you can accept that the Juubi is Nature personified, then think about it.

We know that during the Sage's time war ravaged the land. People were constantly fighting, for whatever reason and Nature did what it would naturally do, it stepped in. The Juubi may be Nature personified, but it is also it's protector and like a caring mother, it's primal animal extincts (thanks Derp Obito) kicked in and it naturally defended itself. The Juubi may not be kind to man, but that does not entail evil, it was simply doing as any Mother of Nature would and defending itself.

Remember the Juubi created all countries. All the land, and when it saw itself being torn apart by war it manifested into the Ten-Tails.


Let me ask you this. If the Juubi is evil, then why would the Sage say this to the Bijuu?

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If it was the harbinger of destruction why would he want them to be pieced back together. Because he knew, that the Juubi was the key to peace. He knew that Man could not handle the power of Nature in his time, and that until people could find a way to stop fighting that the Juubi could not be let out of his cage, for it would destroy mankind for what it is doing. He knew they needed a teacher, some one to show them a way to stop ravaging the land. So he planned into the future. Enter...

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I realize this thread was long, so "Hold on to ya butts" But thank you to all who read it.
 
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I still don't know what you're talking about but good job, i guess...
 

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Wow that was really good. I'm a bit confused on the last part though. Are you saying the Sage had a part in Narutos existence? I do really like the theory on the element nature and that the Sage is an Uzumaki (my personal favorite theory. Lastly though, would this mean that you think Naruto will be the Juubi's jinchuriki and if so will he gain the Rinnegan (don't care for this, but it's still a cool thought)?
 

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Wow, I was expecting to see some bull, but that actually makes sense!
 

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That would possibly explain why the sages son doesn't appear to have the rinnegan
Whoever what it opens is why is it that when you have the ems and senju cells you get the rinnegan, is it possible that senju have the life force of the juubi while the uchiha had the eyes of the sage (his original eyes)
 

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The part about uzumakis not having nature affinities is absurd, though, as it is said that every shinobi has a nature type. And never ounce is it stated uzumakis can't use nature affinities. Its like saying the hyuga and yamanaka can't use nature affinities cause none have been shown using it.
 

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Wow that was really good. I'm a bit confused on the last part though. Are you saying the Sage had a part in Narutos existence? I do really like the theory on the element nature and that the Sage is an Uzumaki (my personal favorite theory. Lastly though, would this mean that you think Naruto will be the Juubi's jinchuriki and if so will he gain the Rinnegan (don't care for this, but it's still a cool thought)?

What are you confused on? Ill try to clear it up. No, not at all, in fact I don't see him obtaining the Rinnengan. Naruto need only to bring peace for the Juubi to be released. Remember what Naruto said to Kurama? He told he would be free some day.

The part about uzumakis not having nature affinities is absurd, though, as it is said that every shinobi has a nature type. And never ounce is it stated uzumakis can't use nature affinities. Its like saying the hyuga and yamanaka can't use nature affinities cause none have been shown using it.

I created a thread on the SO6P awhile back and went into more detail about that idea. I tried not to touch on it too much on this thread, but I still needed to get the point across. Apparently I failed :(. But, if you have a chance you can read up on it. I know Derp Obito has some great threads on it as well.
 
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Nagato was Uzumaki, fail

Okay, this isnt the point of the thread, and I have covered this in past threads. But even in this one, what was special about Nagato? The Rinnengan, that was the only reason who could use elements.
 

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Okay, this isnt the point of the thread, and I have covered this in past threads. But even in this one, what was special about Nagato? The Rinnengan, that was the only reason who could use elements.

hey this is offtopic but how do you change that lil' member status thats below your username/?
 

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Man, another great thread. Somehow you manage to see the things others overlook
 

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Wow I appreciate that, hope you got something out of the thread..
Yeah, the connection between the nature affinities and how the rinnegan(eye of the Juubi) gives access to them due to them being nature itself was something i never thought of before. But ive been on board with this theory in general from your first SO6P = Uzumaki thread awhile back. It sucks this thread may not get the credibility it deserves due to the fact the only threads that get hot are the obvious troll ones
 

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Yeah, the connection between the nature affinities and how the rinnegan(eye of the Juubi) gives access to them due to them being nature itself was something i never thought of before. But ive been on board with this theory in general from your first SO6P = Uzumaki thread awhile back. It sucks this thread may not get the credibility it deserves due to the fact the only threads that get hot are the obvious troll ones

Hahaha I know! It is what it is though, there are always gonna be the trolls, but on the flip side I know plenty of guys on here that can contribute to threads.

But yeah, since that first flash back of the SO6P talking to the Bijuu it struck me as odd that he told them they would, "Be one" someday. I thought, "Well he fought the Juubi. How could he possibly want that?" Then when Kurama said it had no feelings, it seemed pretty obvious, everything it did was a natural occurence.
 

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Very good, I believe the series will end up with either:

A. The Juubi and the Bijuus reverting back as the non-sapient natural manifestation of Nature, chakra and the elements.

Or

B. The Juubi in fact developed a consciousness over the eons and attacked humanity because of their disregard for live and nature, as ive theorized long ago



Naruto being the key for the unification of Man and Nature (Juubi)


Good work OP :)
 
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Very good, I believe the series will end up with either:

A. The Juubi and the Bijuus reverting back as the non-sapient natural manifestation of Nature, chakra and the elements.

Or

B. The Juubi in fact developed a consciousness over the eons and attacked humanity because of their disregard for live and nature, as ive theorized long ago



Naruto being the key for the unification of Man and Nature (Juubi)


Good work OP :)

Thank You, I appreciate the support.

The way I see, this page kind of sums up the ending (or at least part of it).

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Naruto doesn't want to be the Kyuubi's host forever. The series can't end until the Kyuubi (and all the other Bijuu) are set free, restoring TRUE balance, not the mirage balance Hashirama achieved. Whether that is together as one in the Juubi or seperate I don't know, but they'll be freed.

I see you're not totally convinced. I don't think the Juubi can "build up emotions" of hate towards man because remember, it has none. The Juubi is free now and I think it won't be kind, but that is only because it believes Man is out to destroy nature with its constant war. When Naruto (and Sasuke?) cleanse the world of hate, it will no longer be a threat. The only reason the Sage sealed it was bceause he believed mankind needed more time to find true peace, otherwise the Juubi would have certainly destroyed Man not out of spite, but out of protection.
 
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