Uchiha Hatred

[Raiten Uchiha]

From the recent manga that's been out... Tobirama and Hashirama explained the power behind the Uchiha's eyes.

Stating that utter hatred is the source of an Uchiha's full potential, hence Madara and from what we've seen tracking Sasuke's progress... He's been driven by hatred from the start of the manga and anime.

So... This is my assumption, but Madara had his family intact throughout his childhood we can assume. He never had to bare the loss of anyone except for a few siblings to which Tobirama confirmed his didnt care for as much as he does for Izuna... Now, Sasuke hated his older brother from the getgo, there was love between the two... Well, not Sasuke > Itachi anyways.

Madara lost his brother at some point, drove him over the edge giving him the power he possessed before his "death" at the hands of Hashirama. Sasuke lost everyone at a very young age, giving him time for his hatred to grow... You know, growing up all alone, without his parents and clansmen. Now... You might say naruto had no family either, but take note that Naruto didnt walk in on the slaughter of his mother anf father at the hands of his older brother whom he adored.

Sasuke lost a lot more than Madara ever did, at a young age at that. Then later found out that his older brother was forced to slaughter the entire clan for his own sake. Because, had Itachi not been the one to do it... Whoever it might've been would have killed Sasuke also. So with this being said... Sasuke aquired all the power he currently has through a hate-driven motive, to kill his older brother... With that done and over with; Sasuke found a new drive, to destroy Konoha. Now... Compared Sasuke to Madara, what did Madara lose so much that he was turned? Sure he might've loved his brother a lot more than Itachi loved Sasuke, but the fact remains, Sasuke lost more... So based on what I've put together, I'd say at this point in the manga, Sasuke has surpassed Madara... He's not the only one capable of manipulating a beast, so you cant say Sasuke's eyes are underdeveloped because he's shown some sh!t we've never seen before... Such as manipulating Amaterasu, something Itachi couldn't do. From this, Im sure that Sasuke IS stronger than Madara, since hatred is the source of their strength, Sasuke has that by the truckload.

 

[Aresfour]

you delusional madman!

 

[YellowFang]

Madara has mastered his hatred and is at the peak of Uchiha potential...

Sasuke is nowhere near that level, he gets strength from Hatred, but even from blind hate he only could activate a puny Susanoo... or deactivate Danzo contract seal...

 

[ajflash]

Hashirama killed his father
Maybe...

 

[Parrish]

From the recent manga that's been out... Tobirama and Hashirama explained the power behind the Uchiha's eyes.

Stating that utter hatred is the source of an Uchiha's full potential, hence Madara and from what we've seen tracking Sasuke's progress... He's been driven by hatred from the start of the manga and anime.

So... This is my assumption, but Madara had his family intact throughout his childhood we can assume. He never had to bare the loss of anyone except for a few siblings to which Tobirama confirmed his didnt care for as much as he does for Izuna... Now, Sasuke hated his older brother from the getgo, there was love between the two... Well, not Sasuke > Itachi anyways.

Madara lost his brother at some point, drove him over the edge giving him the power he possessed before his "death" at the hands of Hashirama. Sasuke lost everyone at a very young age, giving him time for his hatred to grow... You know, growing up all alone, without his parents and clansmen. Now... You might say naruto had no family either, but take note that Naruto didnt walk in on the slaughter of his mother anf father at the hands of his older brother whom he adored.

Sasuke lost a lot more than Madara ever did, at a young age at that. Then later found out that his older brother was forced to slaughter the entire clan for his own sake. Because, had Itachi not been the one to do it... Whoever it might've been would have killed Sasuke also. So with this being said... Sasuke aquired all the power he currently has through a hate-driven motive, to kill his older brother... With that done and over with; Sasuke found a new drive, to destroy Konoha. Now... Compared Sasuke to Madara, what did Madara lose so much that he was turned? Sure he might've loved his brother a lot more than Itachi loved Sasuke, but the fact remains, Sasuke lost more... So based on what I've put together, I'd say at this point in the manga, Sasuke has surpassed Madara... He's not the only one capable of manipulating a beast, so you cant say Sasuke's eyes are underdeveloped because he's shown some sh!t we've never seen before... Such as manipulating Amaterasu, something Itachi couldn't do. From this, Im sure that Sasuke IS stronger than Madara, since hatred is the source of their strength, Sasuke has that by the truckload.

Madara destroys Sasuke and its not even close.

 

[NeverEnding]

Intresting theory!!! But you can have power all you want but if you dont know how to use it its worthless!!!

 

[Pragmatic]

Maybe years later when Sasuke has had more practice like Madara. Until Sasukes Susanoo cuts through mountians or he sends meteors from the sky, and wood release Madara is above Sasuke

 

[sulanis]

Sasuke is nowhere near Madara!

lacks experience
lacks real world knowledge
lacks the ability to look beyond himself

Madara is at the peak of uchiha power! Sasuke is an emo douch bag who can't make up his own mind

 

[Aertes]

Madara clinged to a pitiful life in a cave for years due to hate.He waited,manipulated situations and people to achieve his goal due to hatred.He lived more than 50 years in hate....
Seriously,what Sasuke has to this??He doesn't even know what he hates...He hated Itachi,then Danzo,then the village...Sasuke is a amateur compared to Madara.
I don't even want to comment about their power gap...Is useless.

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

Madara destroys Sasuke and its not even close.

I bet you were saying the same ish when Itachi was going for Kabuto huh? Look what happened... The unexpected. Madara is outdated, look at it from this point of view... Im your grandpa, we fought when you were a child. I died by some means. I come back to life and we fight again... Its quite simple, you win... Why? Because you had time to grow whereas I died nd my progressed was halted. Not hard to get.. Sasuke prolly has variations of techniques used by Madara back in the days, he'd run circles around Madara... I say medium difficulty.

 

[Sea Of Thy Soul]

If a kick from Rock Lee managed to cleave Madara in half, I don't really see any reason why Sasuke couldn't as well.
Seeing as, Sasuke is faster than him, stronger than him, more skilled than him, and most of all more destructive than he will ever be.
And that was ''Edo'' Madara, how can Ems Madara defeat Sasuke I wonder?
Without the Kyuubi, Sasuke would simply toy with him.

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

Maybe years later when Sasuke has had more practice like Madara. Until Sasukes Susanoo cuts through mountians or he sends meteors from the sky, and wood release Madara is above Sasuke

Have we seen the full extent of his EMS? No... You cant say he doesnt have this nd that when we have not seen him pushed to his limit. I have no doubt that Sasuke has a Perfect Susanoo.

 

[johnny335704]

Sasuke just lost his parents and his clansmen at young age. Sasuke has friends, proper training, good teachers etc.

Madara lost 4 brothers and lots of clansmen. Madara was living in an age where you can't speak name of your clan. It was just about your clan. No village, No friends nothing. Every second in fear and constant bloodshed/fighting....

So who grew in more hatred and who has become more stronger.... Its clear to see now.

Power-wise if you see -
At young age, Madara killed some experienced senju shinobis alone (one of the strongest clan). Sasuke hasn't killed any experienced shinobi by himself at Madara's age.
Sasuke is specialist with Amaterasu While no amaterasu is shown by Madara.
Madara is specialist with Susanoo. While Sasuke's Susanoo is the regular one.
Madara is specialist with Fire Jutsu. Sasuke has just more than normal Fire Jutsu.
Madara has shown normal genjutsu. Sasuke has shown normal genjutsu. (As of now)
Madara has metorite jutsu. Sasuke doesn't have.
Madara has shown rinnegan power preta path only. Sasuke doesn't have any. (as of now)
Madara has wood style jutsus like wood dragon, flower tree world, basic wood release. Sasuke doesn't have any.
Madara is very proficient in taijutsu. Sasuke is also very proficient in taijutsu.
Madara is the only one to control Kurama fully while Sasuke has not shown it yet.
Madara's chakra levels are far higher compared to Sasuke's.

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

If a kick from Rock Lee managed to cleave Madara in half, I don't really see any reason why Sasuke couldn't as well.
Seeing as, Sasuke is faster than him, stronger than him, more skilled than him, and most of all more destructive than he will ever be.
And that was ''Edo'' Madara, how can Ems Madara defeat Sasuke I wonder?
Without the Kyuubi, Sasuke would simply toy with him.

LMFAO! Perfect points... Lee ripped through him like a bread knife through paper. Sasuke could do so much worse than that.

 

[Aresfour]

Sasuke is nowhere near Madara!

lacks experience
lacks real world knowledge
lacks the ability to look beyond himself

Madara is at the peak of uchiha power! Sasuke is an emo douch bag who can't make up his own mind

this is so true, especially the part where reads "Sasuke is an emo douch bag who can't make up his own mind"

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

Sasuke just lost his parents and his clansmen at young age. Sasuke has friends, proper training, good teachers etc.

Madara lost 4 brothers and lots of clansmen. Madara was living in an age where you can't speak name of your clan. It was just about your clan. No village, No friends nothing. Every second in fear and constant bloodshed/fighting....

So who grew in more hatred and who has become more stronger.... Its clear to see now.

Power-wise if you see -
At young age, Madara killed some experienced senju shinobis alone (one of the strongest clan). Sasuke hasn't killed any experienced shinobi by himself at Madara's age.
Sasuke is specialist with Amaterasu While no amaterasu is shown by Madara.
Madara is specialist with Susanoo. While Sasuke's Susanoo is the regular one.
Madara is specialist with Fire Jutsu. Sasuke has just more than normal Fire Jutsu.
Madara has shown normal genjutsu. Sasuke has shown normal genjutsu. (As of now)
Madara has metorite jutsu. Sasuke doesn't have.
Madara has shown rinnegan power preta path only. Sasuke doesn't have any. (as of now)
Madara has wood style jutsus like wood dragon, flower tree world, basic wood release. Sasuke doesn't have any.
Madara is very proficient in taijutsu. Sasuke is also very proficient in taijutsu.
Madara is the only one to control Kurama fully while Sasuke has not shown it yet.
Madara's chakra levels are far higher compared to Sasuke's.

Several points... Sasuke took control of Manda, Orochimaru's personal summoning. Thats close enough. Wood style has become such old news, why would he want that? Its been shown, Wood style doesnt have the potential it once did the first time it was introduced. Since Sasuke's EMS transplant, his chakra has grown and become more sinister, more than that of Madara's because at the meeting of Naruto and Sasuke for the first time in years, Kurama described Sasuke's chakra as being close to Madara's... Since then, its been noted at several points that Sasuke's chakra has grown far more disgusting. So... Safe to say his chakra levels have surpassed Madara's during his time alive. Sasuke doesnt have normal genjutsu, he tricked Danzo into thinking his technique was still active, he managed to catch Bee in a genjutsu, fought on par with his older brother and his strongest genjutsu despite not having Mangekyo Sharingan (Itachi was the best genjutsu user of all time). And another thing... You cant compare the strength of shinobi now to the ones back in the days, powers have been toned and every generation surppases the last. Nuff said.

 

[ssiddiq78]

Forget about sasuke being stroger than madara.
He is not even close to itachi.

 

[YellowFang]

Several points... Sasuke took control of Manda, Orochimaru's personal summoning. Thats close enough. Wood style has become such old news, why would he want that? Its been shown, Wood style doesnt have the potential it once did the first time it was introduced. Since Sasuke's EMS transplant, his chakra has grown and become more sinister, more than that of Madara's because at the meeting of Naruto and Sasuke for the first time in years, Kurama described Sasuke's chakra as being close to Madara's... Since then, its been noted at several points that Sasuke's chakra has grown far more disgusting. So... Safe to say his chakra levels have surpassed Madara's during his time alive. Sasuke doesnt have normal genjutsu, he tricked Danzo into thinking his technique was still active, he managed to catch Bee in a genjutsu, fought on par with his older brother and his strongest genjutsu despite not having Mangekyo Sharingan (Itachi was the best genjutsu user of all time). And another thing... You cant compare the strength of shinobi now to the ones back in the days, powers have been toned and every generation surppases the last. Nuff said.

Mokuton, old news???
Dude, it's isn't even fully revealed yet....
No one knows the boundaries of Mokuton except Hashirama... and of course Kishi!

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

Mokuton, old news???
Dude, it's isn't even fully revealed yet....
No one knows the boundaries of Mokuton except Hashirama... and of course Kishi!

Lmfao... My point is, there might be literally a million and one people running around with wood style... Like really? See a jutsu one too many times, you can no doubt find ways around it... And Amaterasu takes Mokuton by the balls. Fire beats Wood, especially fire that cannot be put out. Do the math... Madara doesnt seem to have Amaterasu, so there's no way he can put out the flames if he cannot use the technique. The more he uses Wood style, the more the flames spread... Overkill, he'd hafta stop using it... Comeback?

 

[Aertes]

If a kick from Rock Lee managed to cleave Madara in half, I don't really see any reason why Sasuke couldn't as well.
Seeing as, Sasuke is faster than him, stronger than him, more skilled than him, and most of all more destructive than he will ever be.
And that was ''Edo'' Madara, how can Ems Madara defeat Sasuke I wonder?
Without the Kyuubi, Sasuke would simply toy with him.

XD I would like to see Sasuke trying to spam his blaze release on Perfect Susano'o.
Madara doesn't need to move cause he is edo.He doesn't die.He can take as much kicks as he wants,those ain't gonna do sh*t on him.Lee had kuubi cloak.When Sasuke gets one,we talking again.
Madara was fighting in wars since he was a little boy.He was said to killed experienced Senju's when he was very young.
Sasuke was chasing cats when he was in his age...He has no experience compared to Madara.
XD Perfect Susano'o is gonna fodderize him so hard...