Naruto & Sasuke were Close in Strength Before Bijuu Mode

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Now I can't really mention Base Naruto against Sharingan Sasuke cause that's debatable. But what I will do is mention the other abilites the two of them have and how they balanced out each other before Naruto gained Bijuu Mode.

Sage Naruto & MS Sasuke
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In recent chapters, we see that Sasuke can still access his original MS, so he and Sage Naruto still balance each other out.
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Also, when I mention MS Sasuke, I'm talking about him with this Susanoo.
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Thing is, we don't know what MS Sasuke could do with this Susanoo before gaining the EMS, so I can't take this into consideration.
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Now for the discussion, if these two were to fight as they are now in these two forms this is how it could go. First of all, Sasuke's Tsukuyomi would not work on Naruto since he's friends with Kurama. Second, if Sage Naruto were to use the Rasenshuriken, MS Sasuke could simply just nullify it with Amaterasu, since fire is superior to wind. After this, Naruto would want to conserve as much chakra in Sage Mode, so he would stop using the Rasenshuriken. Even with Amaterasu, Sauke would not be able to hit Naruto cause since he can use Frog Kata to sense danger much quicker and faster in Sage Mode, Naruto should have no problem dodging Amaterasu and the arrows.
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Now a Rasengan or Rasengan Barrage would not work against Susanoo's defences, so the only thing that Sage Naruto has left in his arsenal that could possibly break through Sasuke's MS Susanoo is the Massive Rasengan Barrage.
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But if this jutsu can break through the Susanoo, because the Susanoo would still absorb the impact Sasuke would be fine, also because of the fact that Naruto created so many shadow clones to use the Massive Rasengan Barrage, he would be drained of sage chakra very quickly, the only reason this never happened against the Nine-tails was because that fight took place in his mind. But besides the point, this fight would end in a stalemate.

KCM Naruto & EMS Sasuke
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For this fight EMS Sasuke has his full Susanoo.
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If these two were fight as they are now in these two forms, this is how it could go. Again, Tsukuyomi or any genjutsu would not work on Naruto for the same reasons. If KCM Naruto were to use the Rasenshuriken, Sasuke could simply use the Amaterasu Sword to block and nullify cause again fire is superior over wind. Even if Naruto were to create shadow clones that would each use the Rasenshuriken, Sasuke can nullify each of them with Enton Magatama.
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Since the Raikage could dodge Amaterasu and KCM Naruto is faster than him, then he should have no problem dodging Sasuke's Amaterasu and Enton Magatama. As for the Rasengan Riot, Rasengan Vacuum, and Mini-Rasenshuriken, those jutsu would not work against Susanoo's defences. So the only two jutsu that KCM Naruto has left in his arsenal that could possibly break through the Susanoo are the Planetary Rasengan and the Super Mini Bijuu Bomb. Now with the Susanoo shield, Sasuke could block either of these attacks, but he would still be pushed back by the impact.

So before Bijuu Mode, these two were already close in strength. Now in order for Sasuke to fight on equal footing with Bijuu Naruto he will need to awaken Perfect Susanoo since he's the second Uchiha in history to gain EMS after Madara.

What do you guys think?
 
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Key words being before Bijuu Mode.......but even with BM chakra mode Naruto was still stronger
 

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nope.
SM is more like CS,both use natural energy to enhance the body.
KM is more like MS,both are limited powers,with drawbacks that will lead to a greater power.
plus the fact that naruto didn't use mini TBB until he got BM,and there's no way mini TBB or planetary rasengan can break susanoo.
BM is like EMS:both an evolution of a previous power and grants the user a lot of power.
 

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nope.
SM is more like CS,both use natural energy to enhance the body.
KM is more like MS,both are limited powers,with drawbacks that will lead to a greater power.
plus the fact that naruto didn't use mini TBB until he got BM,and there's no way mini TBB or planetary rasengan can break susanoo.
BM is like EMS:both an evolution of a previous power and grants the user a lot of power.

This explains it, plus you used a lot of current day examples of their techniques they didn't have beforehand.

IE: Kurama and Naruto's connection together.
 

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-> Susano'o can be repaired at will, so damaging it wouldn't really make a difference.

-> Naruto only has 8 minutes in Bijuu mode. If sasuke stalls him beyond that time he's finished. So far we see that EMS has greatly deminished chakra consumption of sharingan techniques that sasuke uses. He no longer complains about cellular pain or any pain for a matter of fact so sasuke should be able to maintain a long term fight.

-> Chakra arms and mini TBB's aren't getting pass Complete susano'o when Version 1 was able to block kirin

-> When creating a Large TBB, it takes and needs to be aimed. This is not much help if sasuke has a hawk summon and can fly around while naruto must stay stationary to charge his attack.

-> Minato's reflexes as denotes; sasuke was also able avoid A V1 Speed (donated by his hair) with the sharingan's ability of . Sasuke would be able to follow KM naruto's movements as we saw A version one was able to do the same.

They're not that far apart...
 

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-> Susano'o can be repaired at will, so damaging it wouldn't really make a difference.

-> Naruto only has 8 minutes in Bijuu mode. If sasuke stalls him beyond that time he's finished. So far we see that EMS has greatly deminished chakra consumption of sharingan techniques that sasuke uses. He no longer complains about cellular pain or any pain for a matter of fact so sasuke should be able to maintain a long term fight.

-> Chakra arms and mini TBB's aren't getting pass Complete susano'o when Version 1 was able to block kirin

-> When creating a Large TBB, it takes and needs to be aimed. This is not much help if sasuke has a hawk summon and can fly around while naruto must stay stationary to charge his attack.

-> Minato's reflexes as denotes; sasuke was also able avoid A V1 Speed (donated by his hair) with the sharingan's ability of . Sasuke would be able to follow KM naruto's movements as we saw A version one was able to do the same.

They're not that far apart...

Not bringing Bijuu Mode into this but besides that, never said anything about mini ttb actually breaking through Susanoo I sadi that Sasuke would still be pushed back by the impact.

Also your right, Sasuke could dodge Ay's Version 1 speed, but Ay was able to dodge Amaterasu with version 2 speed and KCM Naruto is faster than that. Also even if Sasuke could read KCM Naruto's movements, that doesn't mean that he would actually be able to physically keep up with him, it doesn't make any sense at all.
 

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Not bringing Bijuu Mode into this but besides that, never said anything about mini ttb actually breaking through Susanoo I sadi that Sasuke would still be pushed back by the impact.

Also your right, Sasuke could dodge Ay's Version 1 speed, but Ay was able to dodge Amaterasu with version 2 speed and KCM Naruto is faster than that. Also even if Sasuke could read KCM Naruto's movements, that doesn't mean that he would actually be able to physically keep up with him, it doesn't make any sense at all.
actually naruto is faster than V2 only when he uses the bodyflicker,which sadly cannot be spammed unlike amaterasu.his normal speed in KM is only on par with V1.
 

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nope.
SM is more like CS,both use natural energy to enhance the body.
KM is more like MS,both are limited powers,with drawbacks that will lead to a greater power.
plus the fact that naruto didn't use mini TBB until he got BM,and there's no way mini TBB or planetary rasengan can break susanoo.
BM is like EMS:both an evolution of a previous power and grants the user a lot of power.

this guy is right
 

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BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke.
 

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BM Naruto > EMS Sasuke.

Manga say otherwise.Fully chakra kurama buji dama was tanked by complete susano
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Current Kurama is half chakra from it original form.Naruto need another power up to actuallyy break sasuke susano defense
 
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