Edo Hashirama>Edo Madara

[KingHashirama]

the thing your overlooking is the fact that he and hashirama were more or less even with their fight lasting 2-3days when he had nothing but ems. now he has rinnegan mokuton and PS.... He'd ass rape hashirama get over it bro

..... Yet he doesn't believe so. And also.. there is clear POWER difference between Hashirama.. and this upgraded Madara:

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*********** translations are more accurate than Mangapanda's. The Madara and kyuubi, Hashirama fought at VoTE isn't nearly as strong as Edo Madara and the Juubi.......thats the big difference. Though, he says Hashirama is the only one who is capable of stopping him...doesn't necessarily mean Hashirama is going to stop him single handedly.

Depends actually. Manga stream gets too formal. While Manga Panda stays normal talkative language. Also, Edo Madara and Juubi to be considered one and the same would have to include Madara being its jinchuriki.

 

[Koha]

1. I don't see your point
2.Proof? How do you know that was the extent to Hashirama's power?
3.I never said it would be easy
4. Still doesn't change that Hashirama is the only one who can beat him, as stated in the manga.


That's not a fact. Being capable of stopping him is a good thing, considering he's nearly god. Also, are you just saying it's more accurate because it suits your viewpoint? Sounds legit.

Because as the eternal theme goes in Naruto, the main rivals were ALWAYS equal. They progressed equally through life as children as the manga goes so far with their competitions together, such as with Naruto and Sasuke. The past is all the proof I need to see that both Madara and Hashirama would be equal during life, they wouldn't be rivals if they weren't..... The full battle and memories are still commencing and Hashirama is currently being pushed towards using Sage Mode and his Summoning (Which isn't actually a summoning but a Ninjutsu). The recurring themes of Naruto tells me enough... Plus, like I said, created way past his Prime which surpasses Hashirama's by Leagues now.. Plus, Madara said "Capable"

Capabilities do not equal definite results.

 

[Saikyokami]

Dude madara wins get over it U_U stop being a hashirama fanboy that can't accept that he loses one

 

[TheSages456]

One, they've had multiple stalemates through their entire lives.
Two, in the battle to the "death", he forced Hashirama to use the full extent of his power
Three, if you think eternal rivals would be able to beat each other easily, you're way off, dude.......... It's always down to the wire.
Four, Kishi's logic also led to Madara outliving Hashirama and acquiring what he needed from him in order to surpass Hashirama.


Kishi's logic is still pushing Madara as the Ultimate Antagonist at the moment... Even so, his was recreated PAST his Prime. And if his prime equaled (barely lost) to Hashirama's, common sense tells you also, until they actually ever fight that now Madara has way surpassed Hashirama.

no perfect susano & the kyuubi forced hashirama to use his full power not any of madaras lesser techs which hashirama already made a joke of in canon.

madara has no power greater than perfect susano/kyuubi so he loses. its pretty simple logic. reading the manga might help you.

 

[mun]

Because as the eternal theme goes in Naruto, the main rivals were ALWAYS equal. They progressed equally through life as children as the manga goes so far with their competitions together, such as with Naruto and Sasuke. The past is all the proof I need to see that both Madara and Hashirama would be equal during life, they wouldn't be rivals if they weren't..... The full battle and memories are still commencing and Hashirama is currently being pushed towards using Sage Mode and his Summoning (Which isn't actually a summoning but a Ninjutsu). The recurring themes of Naruto tells me enough... Plus, like I said, created way past his Prime.. Plus, Madara said "Capable"

Capabilities do not equal definite results.

Whats your point? Madara got some new jutsu, rinnegan and some wood techs. His strongest tech is still PS. He has hashi cells, but no one is as good as hashi. Now madara is all of a sudden stronger lol? cause he got some "new" techs lmao He got techs that is weaker than his strongest tech and ur saying hes so much stronger than hashi, where's your logic

 

[Koha]

no perfect susano & the kyuubi forced hashirama to use his full power not any of madaras lesser techs which hashirama already made a joke of in canon.

madara has no power greater than perfect susano/kyuubi so he loses. its pretty simple logic. reading the manga might help you.

They were fighting back to back, canon.... Stalemates, canon. It was the final battle where all the stops were pulled out, also canon. Why couldn't Hashirama actually defeat Madara before the battle of VoTE?

 

[Reflection]

*********** translations are more accurate than Mangapanda's. The Madara and kyuubi, Hashirama fought at VoTE isn't nearly as strong as Edo Madara and the Juubi.......thats the big difference. Though, he says Hashirama is the only one who is capable of stopping him...doesn't necessarily mean Hashirama is going to stop him single handedly.

In case you haven't noticed... MADARA HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE JUUBI. Ok, it isn't definite that Hashirama will beat Madara, but to say a somewhat normal shinobi is capable of beating a rinnegan monster is a great feat! Btw, what does ***********'s translation of Dan statement says? If it's so accurate, I want to see it. U_U

Because as the eternal theme goes in Naruto, the main rivals were ALWAYS equal. They progressed equally through life as children as the manga goes so far with their competitions together, such as with Naruto and Sasuke. The past is all the proof I need to see that both Madara and Hashirama would be equal during life, they wouldn't be rivals if they weren't..... The full battle and memories are still commencing and Hashirama is currently being pushed towards using Sage Mode and his Summoning (Which isn't actually a summoning but a Ninjutsu). The recurring themes of Naruto tells me enough... Plus, like I said, created way past his Prime.. Plus, Madara said "Capable"

Capabilities do not equal definite results.

If they were equal, Madara wouldn't have lost the first time. And to say a shinobi without rinnegan is capable of beating him is quite laughable... Although, this shinobi is the God of Shinobi.

 

[Waltz]

hashi stomped madara before and he'll stomp him again. Edo hashi > edo madara. So what if madara has rinnegan and some of hashi's wood tech, I don't see him beating the 1000 hand jutsu. Hashi wins ez

Doesn't look like stomping to me...

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Just the 9 tails alone was too much for hashirama and it was sealed by mito sometime during/in the latter parts of that fight.

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Luckily for hashirama, Madara ended up fighting for the DNA and not for the kill.

 

[Saikyokami]

Whats your point? Madara got some new jutsu, rinnegan and some wood techs. His strongest tech is still PS. He has hashi cells, but no one is as good as hashi. Now madara is all of a sudden stronger lol? cause he got some "new" techs lmao He got techs that is weaker than his strongest tech and ur saying hes so much stronger than hashi, where's your logic

If Mokuton is weaker than his strongest technique... Why did he lose to hashirama ~_~

 

[Reflection]

Dude madara wins get over it U_U stop being a hashirama fanboy that can't accept that he loses one

GTFO. If you can't back up your claims with facts from the manga, you aren't wanted here. That's just how it is.

 

[TheSages456]

They were fighting back to back, canon.... Stalemates, canon. It was the final battle where all the stops were pulled out, also canon. Why couldn't Hashirama actually defeat Madara before the battle of VoTE?

if they didnt use all their power before VOTE as you are saying how are any of these stalemates proof that they're equal? why are you changing the subject? list one of madaras new techs that are stronger than the perfect susano that hashirama already beat fused with the kyuubi then i will concede that madara>hashirama.

 

[Koha]

Whats your point? Madara got some new jutsu, rinnegan and some wood techs. His strongest tech is still PS. He has hashi cells, but no one is as good as hashi. Now madara is all of a sudden stronger lol? cause he got some "new" techs lmao He got techs that is weaker than his strongest tech and ur saying hes so much stronger than hashi, where's your logic

The Rinnegan itself pretty much solidifies yourself as a God of the Shinobi world, as expressed by everyone's awe and everyone believing it was only a myth. Madara was the ONLY Shinobi to attain it, (Minus Nagato and Obito, since they were Madara's eyes anyways). Being recreated past your prime which was still Hashirama's equal before his death would tell anyone, yes, you've been surpassed.

 

[Waltz]

In case you haven't noticed... MADARA HAS BEEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE JUUBI. Ok, it isn't definite that Hashirama will beat Madara, but to say a somewhat normal shinobi is capable of beating a rinnegan monster is a great feat! Btw, what does ***********'s translation of Dan statement says? If it's so accurate, I want to see it. U_U

You mean Dan's (who has no knowledge that Madara has the rinnegan, nor of his techniques on a whole) speculation based off of what occurred at VoTE when he was still a child? pretty much the same.

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[mun]

Doesn't like like stomping to me...

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Just the 9 tails alone was too much for hashirama and it was sealed by mito sometime during/in the latter parts of that fight.

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Luckily for hashirama, Madara ended up fighting for the DNA and not for the kill.

you really are a madara fanboy eh, hashi stomped madara at VOTE and thats fact. If you've been reading the latest few chapters you would know. The manga always contradict it self as the story goes along, and madara did indeed get stomped. In the chapter where Madara + 9 tails wrapped in PS vs hashi 1000 hand jutsu kishi showed us the difference in their level power. That was the last page of the fight. Thats all kishi needed to show us, just by seeing that we know that madara got stomped and thats how the fight ended. You must be blind to think madara has a chance against hashi.

 

[mun]

If Mokuton is weaker than his strongest technique... Why did he lose to hashirama ~_~

uh seriously lol have you not seen the 1000 hand jutsu?

 

[Koha]

if they didnt use all their power before VOTE as you are saying how are any of these stalemates proof that they're equal? why are you changing the subject. list one of madaras new techs that are stronger than the perfect susano that hashirama already beat fused with the kyuubi then i will concede that madara>hashirama.

Just stating a point, bro. They both progressed, it's not like Madara had the EMS forever now, MS Madara vs. Hashirama, they were more than likely equal too, as the destined rivals always are through Kishimoto's illustrations of the past repeating itself.

At this point yes, Perfect Susano'o is still technically his strongest technique, but still, the capabilities of the Rinnegan is still new to Hashirama, so the element of surprise is pretty much against him.

 

[KingHashirama]

Doesn't look like stomping to me...

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Just the 9 tails alone was too much for hashirama and it was sealed by mito sometime during/in the latter parts of that fight.

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Luckily for hashirama, Madara ended up fighting for the DNA and not for the kill.

1. Madara + Kyuubi.

2. Mito CHOSE to seal it.. it was not requires, the Kyuubi had already been binded.

3. Having blood or bruises doesn't mean you had a difficult time.

4. Madara at that point was actually stronger, Seeing as that PS is his strongest attack atm...

5. Madara went for the Kill... lmaoo. No person is dumb enough to commit suicide for dna that can be gained without fighting..

6. The 9-tails was about to get PAWNED.. in the start of the fight..... lmao. Got saved by Madara.

 

[Waltz]

you really are a madara fanboy eh, hashi stomped madara at VOTE and thats fact. If you've been reading the latest few chapters you would know. The manga always contradict it self as the story goes along, and madara did indeed get stomped. In the chapter where Madara + 9 tails wrapped in PS vs hashi 1000 hand jutsu kishi showed us the difference in their level power. That was the last page of the fight. Thats all kishi needed to show us, just by seeing that we know that madara got stomped and thats how the fight ended. You must be blind to think madara has a chance against hashi.

Always contradicts itself? stop fantasizing. Also, that wasn't the end of their fight as they were both healthy and kicking. You haven't concluded anything really besides trying to persuade me with things you make up. Hashi's statement was that the 9tails power was too great for him to handle, this should go along with EMS Madara being his Opponent. If you honestly thing Hashirama would stand a chance against Rinnegan Edo Madara along with the juubi they i can't help you.

 

[LarryR]

I agree that Hasi>Madara. Even with a susan'o Kyuubi Hashi wasn't flinching. And I know that Madara now has control of Juubi and now has the help of Obito. But if Hashi could take out Madara + Kyuubi, then he will be able to take out Juubi + Madara with the help of Naruto and the others. Honestly I do not see Sasuke or his gang showing up on the battlefield, unless Madara team pulls a power up out of thin air.

 

[TheSages456]

Just stating a point, bro. They both progressed, it's not like Madara had the EMS forever now, MS Madara vs. Hashirama, they were more than likely equal too, as the destined rivals always are through Kishimoto's illustrations of the past repeating itself.

At this point yes, Perfect Susano'o is still technically his strongest technique, but still, the capabilities of the Rinnegan is still new to Hashirama, so the element of surprise is pretty much against him.

preta path & a rock have absolutely no chance of even fazing shinsuusenju. please do go into detail of how madaras weaker techs accomplish a feat that the greatest power in his arsenal couldnt achieve.