Sages Younger Son(Senju) and {THEORY?}

[Brusky]

I'm here to ask you all a question thaThas been festering in my mind. This is a Lot to read, but worth it.

If the sages younger sun who was to have adopted the body which is capable of vast chakra storage which is a trait much encouraged for storing tailed beast inside. Then why after being the successor chosen by his father wasn't chosen to claim the juubi inside him. He much so had the body of the his father/juubi in it's purest form.

Or did his father see that maybe storing the juubi inside him didn't guarantee that when his son died, the juubi wouldn't be released once again?Couldn't he have simply taught him to seal the juubi himself into the moon as he did?. Did the sage sense that his younger son would need the rennegan to manipuate such a large chamber as the moon(one similar to thenone that pain made to capture naruto) to store the juubi? The rennegan which the younger son lacked. Or did the sage sense that maybe the older son would attack the younger and wrest the juubi from him out of anger?.

One more thing. If the sons of the sage of 6 paths were truely his own, then they already have acess to the sages "body" part of his DNA. So why does Madara end up needed Senju dna(body) to unlock rennegan if they originated from the same person(so6p). Maybe this explains why the elder son had a similar eye to the sages. Why would Madara need senju(body) if he is from the sage also. Unless after the sage chose the younger son, he was infuriated(of course he was) and didn't bear children with the sages clanswomen.(sage already had a vast chakra reserve before he sealed juubi in him but let's call the sages clan Uzumaki for now.) The elder son then left the uzumaki to start his own clan with a diffrent clan(maybe this explains the hyuga clans existance).

Of course during the time where the older brother was creating his new clansmen, the younger bro stayed and bore children with Uzumaki members untill they later on left and did as his brother did.

He named the clan Senju and proceeded to bear Senju Uzumaki children in the newly made clan so their kekei genkai did not waterdown whiles uchihas did. Because of this the Uchiha had in a way cleansed or watered down their DNA of their Uzumaki in which they were part of once before. The sharingan became a dominant trait in which their children got a chance to unlock if they were ever put in a certain situation

These are Just some things for you guys to dwell on. Remember it's not illegal to think....yet.Stay frosty

 

[Insidious Smile]

Too many question.

 

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[zamki]

You have made good pointsU_U

 

[Brusky]

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Nice.. Ty I wish I seent it before I made the thread coulda structured it a lot better. You live and you learn right?

 

[Brusky]

You have made good pointsU_U

Ty . I felt these are the type of things kishi wanted to convey. Not every story has to state things you know? Some leave it up to the reader to analyze and guess what the author truely means. Like how we would react in place of these characters. When a author masters things like that, it makes the story much more interesting.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nice.. Ty I wish I seent it before I made the thread coulda structured it a lot better. You live and you learn right?

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[Brusky]

Too many question.

True but when you want find the truth behind something that's all we as humans can do. Ask the question and pursue the answers.

 

[Brusky]

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Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooot thx

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

His knew that his blood would continue to get watered down and even if the senju son could contain the Juubi there's no guarantee the sages grandchild would be able to. In the event the grandchild wasn't a fit vessel they would have no way to split the Juubi or imprison its body in the moon. You don't inherit every trait of your parents think of it like this. The older son got his mothers body and his fathers exceptional eyes (not the rinnegan) and the younger son got his mothers eyes and his fathers robust body. The uzumaki and hyuuga are an offshoot of the senju and uchiha families. The senju and uchiha came first then you could say familial splintering occurred and the other two clans were eventually different but still related. So the younger son couldn't have mated with uzumaki's because they didn't exist yet.

Dude don't take this bad but you saying its not illegal to think after your post when you got it wrong doesn't make sense.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Well as far as the next host I think that there were several factors.

1. He didn't have the powerful eyes that may have been needed to tame the Juubi on the inside.
2. He had already split up the Juubi into the Bijuu

You make an excellent point about the Elder Son somehow not having the body or whatever to get the Rinnegan in the descendants. I think three factors may come into play.

1. Using the Juubi's power of creation of all things it is possible he split his traits between his sons after their birth. Thus forcibly preventing another version of him from arising....this may have been done to prevent another "God" from existing as well as making sure such a "god" wouldn't be corrupt (Nagato). It also may have been an attempt to get his sons to work together.

2. Playing on the creation of all things concept, he may have simply made the sons.

3. Through a continuously extending blood lime, maybee the traits of the Sage's body deteriorated while the eyes stood strong. It could be that Senju DNA simply provides a kick start of sorts to the deeply hidden roots of the strong body presence.

Hope I helped

 

[Brusky]

Well as far as the next host I think that there were several factors.

1. He didn't have the powerful eyes that may have been needed to tame the Juubi on the inside.
2. He had already split up the Juubi into the Bijuu

You make an excellent point about the Elder Son somehow not having the body or whatever to get the Rinnegan in the descendants. I think three factors may come into play.

1. Using the Juubi's power of creation of all things it is possible he split his traits between his sons after their birth. Thus forcibly preventing another version of him from arising....this may have been done to prevent another "God" from existing as well as making sure such a "god" wouldn't be corrupt (Nagato). It also may have been an attempt to get his sons to work together.

2. Playing on the creation of all things concept, he may have simply made the sons.

3. Through a continuously extending blood lime, maybee the traits of the Sage's body deteriorated while the eyes stood strong. It could be that Senju DNA simply provides a kick start of sorts to the deeply hidden roots of the strong body presence.

Hope I helped

I am glad you brought up the point 2 also. I was thinking that after I read another persons thread but I knew that the idea wouldn't be accepted here on the base. Lol too many uptight people who aren't open to suggestion and new ideas. Ty

 

[Brusky]

His knew that his blood would continue to get watered down and even if the senju son could contain the Juubi there's no guarantee the sages grandchild would be able to. In the event the grandchild wasn't a fit vessel they would have no way to split the Juubi or imprison its body in the moon. You don't inherit every trait of your parents think of it like this. The older son got his mothers body and his fathers exceptional eyes (not the rinnegan) and the younger son got his mothers eyes and his fathers robust body. The uzumaki and hyuuga are an offshoot of the senju and uchiha families. The senju and uchiha came first then you could say familial splintering occurred and the other two clans were eventually different but still related. So the younger son couldn't have mated with uzumaki's because they didn't exist yet.

Dude don't take this bad but you saying its not illegal to think after your post when you got it wrong doesn't make sense.

I understand where your coming from dude. By that's the problem some people have on this base. Don't me wrong also. But some people are quick to criticize the shortcomings of things introduced rather than taking it upon them selfs to help with the idea and point out any missing or confusing elements.
Thinking itself got me to the point to put these things into words whether organized or whatever. It is our job to provide ways to better organize or explain this to the community. Again don't take what I said the wrong way cause I'm glad you said something was wrong. That's the first step to fixing it

 

[ThomasJeffersonwasasadist]

I understand where your coming from dude. By that's the problem some people have on this base. Don't me wrong also. But some people are quick to criticize the shortcomings of things introduced rather than taking it upon them selfs to help with the idea and point out any missing or confusing elements.
Thinking itself got me to the point to put these things into words whether organized or whatever. It is our job to provide ways to better organize or explain this to the community. Again don't take what I said the wrong way cause I'm glad you said something was wrong. That's the first step to fixing it

I'm not criticizing just saying if you know your probably wrong don't tell others to think like you've already put in the time to figure it out and I did take the time to fix your errors my effort is in the post above. No offence taken nor meant.

 

[KingHashirama]

I am glad you brought up the point 2 also. I was thinking that after I read another persons thread but I knew that the idea wouldn't be accepted here on the base. Lol too many uptight people who aren't open to suggestion and new ideas. Ty

New ideas away from the manga create flamewars, and people start taking their theories to other threads, where its about the factual stuff.

 

[Brusky]

I'm not criticizing just saying if you know your probably wrong don't tell others to think like you've already put in the time to figure it out and I did take the time to fix your errors my effort is in the post above. No offence taken nor meant.

And i thnked you for that. Im jist saying others on the base usually do it the wrong way. We are all entitled to different povs so we help each other see each others. I simply thought of some things.. Whether wrong or right, people should take the time to help make it better but OTHERS(not you) see it easier to only critisize people and not provide anything to the idea. For example, a teacher gives a child a formula to tolve a problem with, the child used his knowledge to do what he can. When the teacher looksover it its his job to tell him hes wrong and show him the right way or if hes right he should teach him anbetter way to do the problem if any rather than say its wrong and leaves him alone.

Like the guys above (as well as you)provided some things that can help me rethink the idea i brought to the baseBut it's all gravy I guesss. No need to stress this out. I think it's safe to stop things here

 

[Brusky]

New ideas away from the manga create flamewars, and people start taking their theories to other threads, where its about the factual stuff.

But I doubt my ideas were fixed unto the manga, and not away from it

 

[Transcendence]

I'm here to ask you all a question thaThas been festering in my mind. This is a Lot to read, but worth it.

If the sages younger sun who was to have adopted the body which is capable of vast chakra storage which is a trait much encouraged for storing tailed beast inside. Then why after being the successor chosen by his father wasn't chosen to claim the juubi inside him. He much so had the body of the his father/juubi in it's purest form.
Or did his father see that maybe storing the juubi inside him didn't guarantee that when his son died, the juubi wouldn't be released once again?Couldn't he have simply taught him to seal the juubi himself into the moon as he did?. Did the sage sense that his younger son would need the rennegan to manipuate such a large chamber as the moon(one similar to thenone that pain made to capture naruto) to store the juubi? The rennegan which the younger son lacked. Or did the sage sense that maybe the older son would attack the younger and wrest the juubi from him out of anger?.

One more thing. If the sons of the sage of 6 paths were truely his own, then they already have acess to the sages "body" part of his DNA. So why does Madara end up needed Senju dna(body) to unlock rennegan if they originated from the same person(so6p). Maybe this explains why the elder son had a similar eye to the sages. Why would Madara need senju(body) if he is from the sage also. Unless after the sage chose the younger son, he was infuriated(of course he was) and didn't bear children with the sages clanswomen.(sage already had a vast chakra reserve before he sealed juubi in him but let's call the sages clan Uzumaki for now.) The elder son then left the uzumaki to start his own clan with a diffrent clan(maybe this explains the hyuga clans existance).

Of course during the time where the older brother was creating his new clansmen, the younger bro stayed and bore children with Uzumaki members untill they later on left and did as his brother did.

He named the clan Senju and proceeded to bear Senju Uzumaki children in the newly made clan so their kekei genkai did not waterdown whiles uchihas did. Because of this the Uchiha had in a way cleansed or watered down their DNA of their Uzumaki in which they were part of once before. The sharingan became a dominant trait in which their children got a chance to unlock if they were ever put in a certain situation

These are Just some things for you guys to dwell on. Remember it's not illegal to think....yet.Stay frosty

Bold 1: It is said he got the body, but both sons are watered down. The Sage obviously had a body on a far better scale and his eyes were watered down when passed down to his Elder son (Elder Son's Dojutsu).

Bold 2: Common misconception. Madara original bloodline is from the Elder Son, who's father was the sage. Madara isn't originally from the sage, just related because of the link with the Elder son. Also, the bloodline would of thinned out immensely over time, so this original body from the Elder son, would of never of been reciprocated in his descendants, even with Madara as the strongest.