Minato versus the Legendary Sannin ( with restrictions )

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Minato has -Fifty- kunai scattered across the place and twenty on him.

Location: Forest of death. Lots of trees and places to hide. Kunais are scattered throughout the battlefield.

Restrictions: -NO- summoning jutsus, -NO- Edo Tensei.

Jiraiya does not have the toad sages. He starts in Sage Mode and can keep it indefinitely ( HOWEVER, he can't just spam katons all day. When his chakra runs out, so will the Sage Mode. It's just that simply being in it, doing nothing but hiding will not deplete it ).

Oro is healthy, his body won't reject him. No Senju cells/Zetsu body.

The Sannin have perfect teamwork, meaning that they are able to read each others' thoughts. As an example, if Jiraiya uses a katon Orochimaru would -automatically- supplement with a Fuuton. Basically they can't stand in each others' way.
 

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The trees are burnt down by a combination of Jiraiya's Oil and Katon, Orochimaru's Fuuton, and Tsunade boosting their chakra.
By summoning jutsus does rashomon gates count?
Regardless, I still don't see Minato winning
 

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Minato has -Fifty- kunai scattered across the place and twenty on him.

Location: Forest of death. Lots of trees and places to hide. Kunais are scattered throughout the battlefield.

Restrictions: -NO- summoning jutsus, -NO- Edo Tensei.

Jiraiya does not have the toad sages. He starts in Sage Mode and can keep it indefinitely ( HOWEVER, he can't just spam katons all day. When his chakra runs out, so will the Sage Mode. It's just that simply being in it, doing nothing but hiding will not deplete it ).

Oro is healthy, his body won't reject him. No Senju cells/Zetsu body.

The Sannin have perfect teamwork, meaning that they are able to read each others' thoughts. As an example, if Jiraiya uses a katon Orochimaru would -automatically- supplement with a Fuuton. Basically they can't stand in each others' way.

To be honest i dont even want to comment on who wins, since you basically took away all the powers of Jiraiya and Orochimaru, their summons, Snakes and Toads which makes up a large portion of their arsenal and so about Tsunade you took away here summoning too in this battle the slug..... basically no summonings... about Edo Tensei it is a reasonable restriction, but i dont see why you would restrict it, seriously it is part of Orochimaru's arsenal and should not be restricted in a battle, if you want to make a battle let them freakin have their powers regardless if it is overpowered or what not.

and for your little thinking, the Legendary Sannin still wins this.
 
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To be honest i dont even want to comment on who wins, since you basically took away all the powers of Jiraiya and Orochimaru, their summons, Snakes and Toads which makes up a large portion of their arsenal and so about Tsunade you took away here summoning too in this battle the slug..... basically no summonings... about Edo Tensei it is a reasonable restriction, but i dont see why you would restrict it, seriously it is part of Orochimaru's arsenal and should not be restricted in a battle, if you want to make a battle let them freakin have their powers regardless if it is overpowered or what not.

and for your little thinking, the Legendary Sannin still wins this.

I, think he restricted summons because Minato and Jiraiya both have toad summons anf edo tensei is okay to restrict also it doesmt take much away from oros talents. And yea either way Sannins win
 

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Minato has the best reflexes in this manga even able to dodge attacks almost touching him in an instant, so i see none of their attacks really succeeding in touching him. He has also shown one of the best shunshin no jutsu in the entire manga only rivalled by Naruto. With 20kunais at his disposal, he can even increase his reach with his instantaneous teleportation jutsu with his speed in supplement and with all that i see none of the sannins beside SM Jiraya maybe capable to directly avoid a close range marking. Even if Minato doesn't mark all of them rapidely, if only one of them gets a marking, Minato can decide to use him to get the others if they are close enough from the one who got that marking, if he doesn't decide to dispose of him rapidely. With a marking on one of them, it becomes also difficult for them to attack since Minato could redirect their attack on the marking on the one who got marked and thus possibly killing him by their own combination of attacks

With the swiftness of his movements, we've seen he is capable of landing a marking on someone without them even noticing, doing plenty of things in an instant. Now Jiraya must have full knowledge especially since he was Minato's professor, so he should be careful enough to pay attention but judging by the fact that Obito who also had full knowledge, still got surprised twice by the jutsu, it's possible that even Jiraya would have difficulties to perceive things rapidely

Since i don't see what the sannins could really do against Minato's speed enhanced by his teleportation-kunais placed all over the area enhancing his reach and also capable of surprising at any time, i think Minato would win this fight. Saying Sannin would win is like saying they would fight Minato without being touched once, something i definitely can't see happening
 

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I'll bite. I like you Bogard, so because of that, maybe this time people can put stupid fanboyism accusations and whatever else aside and have a civil logical debate. The best man will truly win, no side will go unanswered in the end there will be a clear victor. That is why I have challenged you old man, fight me. Your Minato set speaks wonders, as does my devotion for Jiraiya, but today you will learn there is a reason my lord Jiraiya is superior.

Minato has the best reflexes in this manga even able to dodge attacks almost touching him in an instant, so i see none of their attacks really succeeding in touching him. He has also shown one of the best shunshin no jutsu in the entire manga only rivalled by Naruto. With 20kunais at his disposal, he can even increase his reach with his instantaneous teleportation jutsu with his speed in supplement and with all that i see none of the sannins beside SM Jiraya maybe capable to directly avoid a close range marking. Even if Minato doesn't mark all of them rapidely, if only one of them gets a marking, Minato can decide to use him to get the others if they are close enough from the one who got that marking, if he doesn't decide to dispose of him rapidely. With a marking on one of them, it becomes also difficult for them to attack since Minato could redirect their attack on the marking on the one who got marked and thus possibly killing him by their own combination of attacks
I'll get to this but first I have to explain why they will actually be able to land hits. I'm not denying Minato being fast and 1 on 1 it's unlikely their jutsu would touch him before he got exhausted or he killed one of them 1v1, but it's not about that.

Firstly there's the factor of it being a 3 on 1 match. Not only that but OP has given them the condition of being able to transfer thoughts and having perfected teamwork if the Sannin teamwork wasn't perfect enough. Minato unlike the 6 paths can't share vision, he has a very linear 1 line of sight. When fighting 3 people they can easily get off a sneak attack around him, plus he can't actively sense in battle, he has no dojutsu or any special sensing ability other than putting his finger on the ground, if there was a smoke bomb he would forced to teleport away, or he would naturally get a hit landed on him when he was trying to counter someone else's. Just like what Gai/Kakashi/Naruto did against Obito, if he wanted to transport Naruto he had to solidify so they ganged up on him the instant he did that.

But that's not the only way, undoubtedly in a fight against 3 sannin, 2 of which can confirmed use shadow clones on panel, he would get a hit landed on him at some point in the battle, it's unavoidable. Like I said he has no dojutsu, he doesn't have 360 degree vision or anything he can only see 1 way, and he's fighting 3 elite top tiers who can transfer thoughts and have complete perfect team work. But even still Minato has kunai spread around the battlefield he can cover distance, if he's ever in danger he can just teleport away no diff right? So my 2nd method comes into play which isn't exactly a hard concept to grasp.

Jiraiya uses a katon. Jiraiya's katon are on a high scale, especially in sage mode, in Base they're basic katon level but when fueled with oil and sage mode they become on another level second to only Madara's for obvious reasons. Orochimaru also has a fuuton, one that in part 1, despite all of the power scaling until then, still easily uprooted trees by itself, that's nigh Kakuzu level right there. If they combine them especially in Jiraiya's constant sage mode the blast would have incredible range and destroy the trees, Minato would have to use his legitimate base speed to avoid the range, no matter how spread his kunai are it would cover the range of them. But no it doesn't end there, because Tsunade is the 3rd vital member to the team, if that's not enough, her chakra power was enough to fuel an exhausted Onoki's basic Jinton into become a gigantic super jinton that easily obliterated 25 susano'os and was half the size of PS. The level in which she could increase the already ridiculous Katon/Fuuton combination is unreal.

Minato could just dodge though or use ST Barrier right so what's the problem here how could that possible land a hit? First, Minato can't teleport to his kunai, and once this technique is used even without Tsunade's assistance his kunai would be loooong gone as would whatever part of the forest it was directed at. ST Barrier would be a valid option, but Minato would be forced to make his hand seal and stand there redirecting that jutsu, not only leaving himself open to a frontal attack or sneak attack from one of the 3 who simply overwhelm him, but he'd have to send it away to where it's actually useless, he can't use a jutsu of that scale to his advantage AGAINST the sannin because it would destroy him or his kunai too if he redirected it at them. Minato isn't all that durable from what we've seen either, and if he were to risk something coming from these durable beasts it wouldn't be a good risk. Don't worry I'll post about their durability soon enough.

I still have a method 3, which is called Yomi Numa. Not only was the only time Jiraiya used it on a large scale considered "tiny" despite the fact he submerged a boss summon that made a human body look like a non existent dot, but here he is in permanent SM which would enhance to ungodly levels, let's not forget Tsunade here who can empower his chakra to insane levels at any point, and none of the sannin can "get in each others way", all are contributing to the fight and it won't inhibit their movements in any way because of their "perfect teamwork" that OP gave them if it wasn't already perfect enough. Yomi Numa would cover a gigantic range, sinking any kunai in the distance, Minato only has like 50 total too, 20 of them are on him, once they're gone, it's over.

Jiraiya sinking all of them with Yomi Numa is a great plan, if I can think of it so can 2 of the greatest battle strategists in the manga. I see them coordinating it with a team strike, Tsunade goes to punch a newly-appeared Minato, while he teleports to safety Jiraiya activates Yomi Numa submerging his kunai, when he appears he would teleport submerged in the swamp and he would have nowhere to go. Or if not that, at least rendering all his kunai useless and he would have to rely solely on base speed, and wouldn't have a get out of jail free(or rather at all) card against any of the sannins massive beast moveset.
With the swiftness of his movements, we've seen he is capable of landing a marking on someone without them even noticing, doing plenty of things in an instant. Now Jiraya must have full knowledge especially since he was Minato's professor, so he should be careful enough to pay attention but judging by the fact that Obito who also had full knowledge, still got surprised twice by the jutsu, it's possible that even Jiraya would have difficulties to perceive things rapidely
A himself was on the verge of figuring out this secret despite his totally one dimensional moveset, he actually attempted a blitz to Minato and almost landed a hit just by looking at all the kunai around the battle, and physically seeing Minato appear and then going straight to him before he could tele again. I definitely don't put it past the 3 sannin to do this who also outnumber him plenty. Not to mention the insane speed Jiraiya has that is usually overlooked, in SM he would have absolutely no trouble perceiving Minato's speed and with 2 other teammate it won't be much more difficult.
Since i don't see what the sannins could really do against Minato's speed enhanced by his teleportation-kunais placed all over the area enhancing his reach and also capable of surprising at any time, i think Minato would win this fight. Saying Sannin would win is like saying they would fight Minato without being touched once, something i definitely can't see happening
Well I already explained how exactly they could render his kunai useless and land hits easy, I'll leave that. Lastly for your post you have what seems like a discredit to the sannin's durability. He could also in theory place a tag on one of the sannin, but sadly I don't see it being as effective as you do.

On Orochimaru for one, he could easily just puke himself out of his mouth and throw his tagged body in the pile with the pile of other Minato kunai they collected(non serious but hey that plans not out of the question). Taking off the tagged clothing given Jiraiya's knowledge isn't out of the question either, if Obito was so surprised like you acted like he was he saw Minato touch him, he obviously didn't have the kind of knowledge you thought. But no matter the case if he did tag them at some point and got away untouched against 3 top tiers who overwhelm him in numbers, for whatever reason, just like A they can easily cover each others backs, especially with perfected teamwork that the sannin has got down so well. They watch each others back and the second Minato appears to attack he is going to get destroyed. Even if he did land a hit, he's not using 3 rasengan simultaneously on all of them, and either way..the rasengan wouldn't hurt any of the three of them in particular, let alone all 3 together, one being Tsunade..who can actually heal them. Next section as to why: their durability has to be taken into account.

These 3 beasts are some of the most durable in the manga. Tsunade's explanation is left unneeded, Orochimaru basically NEEDS to be sealed and can't be physically put down permanently in any way, being cut in half or sliced to pieces does nothing to him, disemboweling him might tickle, ripping off entire limbs does nothing, rasenganing him is just about as effective as you going outside and trying to punch a tree. He can also merge inside said tree, or whatever he wants to absorb damage and render ineffective. Orochimaru (or Jiraiya) soloing is a simple and EASILY debatable argument on its own but all 3 are massive overkill especially with Tsunade's teamwork. We have SM Jiraiya too who can tank being crushed under all that concrete without a scratch, quite a lot more durability going for him, but I'm sure you know about him. I can't see rasengan actually doing anything to him either let alone the 2 others, and metal casually breaks on SM skin.

With all that, Minato without summons can only run away. Rasengan won't hurt them if he DID tag them and/or land a hit, especially given Tsunade can heal them if he WAS able to do damage. Orochimaru and Jiraiya both stand a good chance of soloing alone, and Tsunade's support is incredible. But in this thread I didn't spend that much time talking about what specific jutsu they could use, but rather how they would land a hit on him. I think I would have a hard time finding a jutsu they had that wouldn't kill Minato if they landed just one hit.

In summary: He would just be overwhelmed and hit eventually especially given any basic strategy they can come up with to destroy/maintain the kunai like I mentioned above, using Yomi Numa or katon/fuuton combos etc. Minato can't really hurt them let alone put someone like Orochimaru down, but he has to constantly be on the run, if he stops for more than 1 second the 2 top tiers who can use shadow clone and dozens of jutsu each would pick him off, he would be pressured so damn bad in this match, to top it off Minato has the highest form of respect for Jiraiya let alone both other sannin fighting him at the same time, so yeah. He just can't handle them. That was fun to write though, since I was bored and have nothing better to do lol. Hence I will be looking forward to a reply my son, I want to finish this, it will happen, it will happen dammit.
 
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