who killed the Uzumaki clan and Hogarama Clan details

[cmontesi]

I was reading Kushina's story about her kidnapping.
Then, it reminded me to this new clan we knew nothing about until last chapter, the Hogarama clan.
Now, by the way the Hogarama clan dresses, it sure as hell reminds us of the Hidden Cloud ninjas, correct?
Well, if we connect the dots, we will see that yes, the Hogarama clan, allies of the Uchiha, indeed became the hidden cloud village. Why? They knew about the Uzumaki's powers.

But let's go to the manga chapters, shall we?
In this chapter, Kushina details WHY the hidden cloud village wanted her to a point they kidnapped her.

Spoiler

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Now, who killed the entire clan?
Well, when Minato was young, there was peace between the Uchiha and the Senju but by that time, we know that the Senju were pretty much extint as well as the Uzumaki's. Now, the only ones who feared both the Senju and the Uzumaki's were the Hogarama and Uchiha's. But since the Uchiha's became allies with the Senju, it only leads to the Hogarama clan as the villain. As a result, most of the Uzumakis (and Senju) were killed by both the Uchiha and Hogarama.


But why did those two, the Uchiha's and Hogarama's stopped being allies?
I believe it was because the Uchiha's were getting betrayed by the Hogarama(they became way too strong). As a result, they allied with the Senju and formed what was called the Hidden Leaf village. It was then when the Sarutobi clan, Hyuga Clan, etc joined the Senju and Uchiha to fight against them. As a result, the Hogarama Clan became the Hidden Cloud Village.

Footnotes:
- Hogarama = Hidden Cloud.
- Hogarama and Uchiha Killed most Senju and Uzumaki.
- Hogarama betrayed Uchiha and became too powerful.
- Uchiha allied with Senju for fear of the Hogarama.
- As a result, Uchiha, Senju and other clans merged and created the Hidden Leaf Village.
- Hogarama (Hidden Cloud) became less strong due to not having the Uchiha's as allies anymore. As a result, they needed the Nine-Tails powers and Uzumaki secrets. So, they kidnapped Kushina(see spoiler).
- War between Hidden Leaf and Hidden Cloud broke out.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I thought it was Hagoromo HAVE I BEEN SAYING IT WRONG!!!!

OT: I think that it is a possibility; however, I don't think that clan specifically destoryed the Senju and Uzumaki.....

The Hagorormo deffinatly seems involved with Kumogakura considering the only difference was plating on the shoulders. Probably in the 3rd Great Ninja War, the Uzumaki were destroyed with their village by Kumo and her allies out of fear of Uzumaki sealing techniques.

Anyways nicely formatted and thought out!

 

[cmontesi]

lol I just like how Hogarama sounds better

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

lol I just like how Hogarama sounds better

I deffinatly agree...Hagoromo sounds slightly old (Haha get it, ancient clan and the starting is Hag)!

Awwwwwwwwww....bad humor !

Anyways I forgot: The Senju were probably naturally weakened by the wars, but with Konoha they probably just diffuesed as a clan sighing the population!

 

[Hori]

I deffinatly agree...Hagoromo sounds slightly old (Haha get it, ancient clan and the starting is Hag)!

Awwwwwwwwww....bad humor !

Anyways I forgot: The Senju were probably naturally weakened by the wars, but with Konoha they probably just diffuesed as a clan sighing the population!

What do you imply by saying "defused"?

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

What do you imply by saying "defused"?

I was simply implying that they may have simply banched out in to small one name families. I feel as though it is unlikely that of all of Konoha's other clans the Senju would somehow just get all wiped out at the same time....UNLESS they all happened to go and try to defend the Uzumaki....they were supposed to be tied for the best clan with the Uchiha...can't see them really dying off except for Tsunade where all of the other Konoha Clans are just fine, and at the same time never mention the fall of the clan!

 

[Hori]

I was simply implying that they may have simply banched out in to small one name families. I feel as though it is unlikely that of all of Konoha's other clans the Senju would somehow just get all wiped out at the same time....UNLESS they all happened to go and try to defend the Uzumaki....they were supposed to be tied for the best clan with the Uchiha...can't see them really dying off except for Tsunade where all of the other Konoha Clans are just fine, and at the same time never mention the fall of the clan!

I see then do you think Sarutobi clan is related to the Senju?

 

[Honord Sage]

Plan was conceived by Madara to ensure that the Uzumaki as a Clan could not stop Madara's Moon Eye Plan with they're sealing tech. And to make sure The SO6P was not born and train by the Uzumaki. But the Uzumaki as individual are still alive all over the world and Madara use that to find someone like Nagato Uzumaki to use to bring Him back alive and Young.

 

[Hori]

Plan was conceived by Madara to ensure that the Uzumaki as a Clan could not stop Madara's Moon Eye Plan with they're sealing tech. And to make sure The SO6P was not born and train by the Uzumaki. But the Uzumaki as individual are still alive all over the world and Madara use that to find someone like Nagato Uzumaki to use to bring Him back alive and Young.

where did you get that info? You make it sound like its the truth that SO6P is from Uzumaki, its just a theory not proven yet, so you can't use something like that as a base of debate or a reply. Anyway how did they knew about Madara's moon eye plan? Yeah i would love to hear you say that.

 

[The Western Wheel]

The plot thickens... maybe in this way, maybe not. Good thinking? Yes!

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

I see then do you think Sarutobi clan is related to the Senju?

Well the Sarutobi are a full on clan....I was thinking that the clan dispersed into small one name families that aren't actually clans. Since the Senju founded the village with the Uchiha, maybee unlike the Uchiha who held their pride, the Senju gave up their identity to try and truly become a village....

So maybee instead of the various clans in Konoha...maybee they are just the little names....though the only clanless names we know are Haruno and Hatake

 

[cmontesi]

Anyone know who else uses sealing techniques besides the Leaf village and the Hidden Cloud village?

 

[BigGuns Reloaded]

Anyone know who else uses sealing techniques besides the Leaf village and the Hidden Cloud village?

Umm each & every f...ing village.. Geez man pay attention how else do u SEAL a biju?

Shit the sand has thousands of sealers running round (basically the whole sealing unit)

On topic y make a thread about a irrelevant clan unless this is the clan the silver & gold bros are derived from the lack any real importance consider the fact that that era every clan was at war this thread has no back bone for all we know the uchiha could've killed those nin or even the kyuga could've this is far to much speculation & for no real reason at that

 

[cmontesi]

Umm each & every f...ing village.. Geez man pay attention how else do u SEAL a biju?

Shit the sand has thousands of sealers running round (basically the whole sealing unit)

On topic y make a thread about a irrelevant clan unless this is the clan the silver & gold bros are derived from the lack any real importance consider the fact that that era every clan was at war this thread has no back bone for all we know the uchiha could've killed those nin or even the kyuga could've this is far to much speculation & for no real reason at that

REALLY?
As far as I know and the manga shows, the only different seal used to seal a bijuu is from the Hidden Cloud(2-tail beast and 7-tail beast) and Akatsuki.
Everyone else uses Konoha's seals(Uzumaki. Granted, they WOULD use them because Hashirama shared the different bijuu's to different villages.

 

[Nakamazi Itchigo]

Sounds just about right