Who can actually beat Kakashi right now?

[Unorthodox]

kakashi kamui isnt a counter to amaterasu you amaterasu his face he cannot warp it off because he cant see it sensing abilities doesnt help with amaterasu when it spawns on the user


perfect jins are one shotted with tsuku they cannot react in one second also sensing abilities cannot protect you where did you get that from
kamui has numerous counters
kamui
susanoo acts as a second person
speed
ftg
invisibility
large things

kakashi cannot counter tsuku he hasit the uchiha bloodline or he ddint master ms

 

[Champ]

Tsukuyomi still rapes him

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Tsukuyomi still rapes him

No, it does not. Tsukuyomi can't affect an MS user.

Not only that, the second Kamui hits Itachi, Itachi is dead.

Even if Kakashi was put under Tsukuyomi Itachi wouldn't be able to finish him since he would be warped already. The best he could get is a draw, assuming Tsukuyomi works on Mangekyou users - which I strongly believe it does not.

he ddint master ms

His Kamui feats are impressive. He's also not blind, which cannot be said about MS Sasuke or Itachi.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Thank you to the random Itachi fanboy that rated the thread 1 star

 

[BigBlade Master]

Stupid thread, a lot of people can:

Exemple: Oro, Kabuto, Obito, Sasuke, Itachi , Naruto, Hashirama, Madara, Nagato(he lost too Deva),Tobirama, Bee, Minato, Hiruzen

 

[KidGamer65]

No, it does not. Tsukuyomi can't affect an MS user.

Not only that, the second Kamui hits Itachi, Itachi is dead.

Even if Kakashi was put under Tsukuyomi Itachi wouldn't be able to finish him since he would be warped already. The best he could get is a draw, assuming Tsukuyomi works on Mangekyou users - which I strongly believe it does not.



His Kamui feats are impressive. He's also not blind, which cannot be said about MS Sasuke or Itachi.

Don't know where you got this from, Tsukuyomi can only be broken by someone with the same blood as Itachi. Kakashi does not have the same blood as him so he can't break it.

 

[Red Slayer]

for me kakashi is in top 30 or top 40.
troll thread.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Don't know where you got this from, Tsukuyomi can only be broken by someone with the same blood as Itachi. Kakashi does not have the same blood as him so he can't break it.

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Zetsu's words heavily imply a Mangekyou can see through Tsukuyomi.

That and the fact that Tsukuyomi is not only a genjutsu, but an ocular genjutsu, which sharingan specialises in dispelling.

for me kakashi is in top 30 or top 40.
troll thread.

How about you read the OP before posting such shitt ery, little troll?

 

[KidGamer65]

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Zetsu's words heavily imply a Mangekyou can see through Tsukuyomi.

That and the fact that Tsukuyomi is not only a genjutsu, but an ocular genjutsu, which sharingan specialises in dispelling.



How about you read the OP before posting such shitt ery, little troll?

Itachi himself already stated that an Uchiha with his blood is the only one who can break Tsukuyomi, Zetsus words obviously only apply for someone who is eliglbe to break it in the first place, and his words don't imply that a Mangekyo can see through Tsukuyomi, they simply mean that Skill>Power in that situation. The only one eliglbe for breaking Tsukuyomi are Sasuke and Fugaku since they are Itachi's blood relatives.

Not to mention Itachi's words on the subject are much more credible than Zetsus.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Itachi himself already stated that an Uchiha with his blood is the only one who can break Tsukuyomi

Not to mention Itachi's words on the subject are much more credible than Zetsus.

How so? He never used it on any MS user. How would he even know? That's just the type of BS which people say.

He gained MS killing Shisui and the only other MS users were Madara, Izuna and Obito. He obviously didn't use Tsukuyomi on Obito to know that.

It's like Naruto saying his Bijuudama would kill Hashirama. He never met the guy. The statement means exactly squat.

Are you also implying Madara wouldn't be able to break Itachi's Tsukuyomi, since he doesn't share his blood?

 

[KidGamer65]

How so? He never used it on any MS user.

He gained MS killing Shisui and the only other MS users were Madara, Izuna and Obito.

Ok? Itachi knows the limits of his own technique, and he has already stated those limits. Only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can break it.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Ok? Itachi knows the limits of his own technique, and he has already stated those limits. Only a Sharingan user with the same blood as him can break it.

Respond to my question.

Are you implying Madara can't get out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi just because he doesn't share his blood?

 

[KidGamer65]

Respond to my question.

Are you implying Madara can't get out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi just because he doesn't share his blood?

I answered your question. It doesn't matter if he had never used it on an MS user or not, he knows the limits of his own jutsu just like how he knew that only ones who share his blood can break Tsukyuomi.

Why ask a question that's been answered? Madara obviously can't get out of Tsukuyomi if he's caught. If you read the correct manga anyone would know this,

 

[Red Slayer]

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Zetsu's words heavily imply a Mangekyou can see through Tsukuyomi.

That and the fact that Tsukuyomi is not only a genjutsu, but an ocular genjutsu, which sharingan specialises in dispelling.



How about you read the OP before posting such shitt ery, little troll?

i already read your big troll.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I answered your question. It doesn't matter if he had never used it on an MS user or not, he knows the limits of his own jutsu just like how he knew that only ones who share his blood can break Tsukyuomi.

Why ask a question that's been answered? Madara obviously can't get out of Tsukuyomi if he's caught. If you read the correct manga anyone would know this,

Of course it fuc*ing matters, what is this madness?

Jesus Christ, you're treating mangafacts as if characters never lie. If all manga statements were real Jiraiya > Pain and Hiruzen > Hashirama.

He can't know the ''limits'' of his jutsu because he never tested it against MS. Again, it's like Naruto saying he can destroy Hashirama's shinsuusenju, even though he never faced against it.

He said only Sasuke can get out of it because, as far as he knew, there was no MS user around.

Madara would -never- have problems getting out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Hell, he was the first person to get it.

The sharingan's specialty is getting out of genjutsus. Being an eye genjutsu only makes it easier to get out.

 

[KidGamer65]

Of course it fuc*ing matters, what is this madness?

Jesus Christ, you're treating mangafacts as if characters never lie. If all manga statements were real Jiraiya > Pain and Hiruzen > Hashirama.

He can't know the ''limits'' of his jutsu because he never tested it against MS. Again, it's like Naruto saying he can destroy Hashirama's shinsuusenju, even though he never faced against it.

He said only Sasuke can get out of it because, as far as he knew, there was no MS user around.

Madara would -never- have problems getting out of Itachi's Tsukuyomi. Hell, he was the first person to get it.

The sharingan's specialty is getting out of genjutsus. Being an eye genjutsu only makes it easier to get out.

:sy: The stupidity in this post is astounding.....

How do you think Itachi knew that only blood relatives could escape his Tsukuyomi? Him using on Sasuke meant nothing cause Sasuke had no Sharingan and didn't even try (more like couldn't) to escape it. Sasuke didn't push his Tsukyuomi far enough to judge its limit so how do you think he figured it out? It came naturally.

Manga has already shown that not everyone's Tsukuyomi is the same, if you read the same manga I did (the correct one) you would know this. You saying Madara can break it baselessly when manga has stated otherwise is just you hopping on the Madara bandwagon. Do us all a favor and hop off.

Sharingan's specialtly doesn't mean jack when you don't meet ALL of the prerequisites to break Itachi's Tsukuyomi.

Again with this character's lie BS. You spout this shit EVERY TIME a manga statement disproves your argument and its pretty pathetic. Hiruzen>Hashirama was never stated. It was "SAID" Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage. That doesn't mean it was fact, not to mention Hiruzen is a clear retcon. Pain never said Jiraiya was stronger than him..he just said that Jiraiya would have won if he knew Pain's secret. Obviously because of the way the fight turned out, I.E Pain sending out the bodies a few at a time instead of all at once. When Characters lie it is FOR A REASON or IT IS BLATANTLY EXPOSED later on in the manga.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Again with this character's lie BS. You spout this shit EVERY TIME a manga statement disproves your argument

Mostly because that's hype and not feat, and, as far as I know, we base fights on feats.

 

[shelke]

Itachi still needs to form up Susanoo before that happens. Kirin has a built time and Itachi saw it coming.

Also why would Itachi use Susanoo from the get go? He has no intel on kamui. As far as he knows Kakashi's strongest weapon is raikiri. If anything, I believe he'd use Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi.

1. Amaterasu

Kakashi kamui's itachi and starts burning. He then kamui's himself and lives.

2. Tsukuyomi

Kakashi is not affected and kamuis his head off. Itachi thinks something about how a non Uchiha gained the Mangekyou and dies.

Itachi had no Susano'o up befaore lightening flashed in the sky. Now, speed of light is much faster than Lightening itself, which is a million times slower. Itachi immediately put up a Susano'o before a 4000 km / sec Electrical Discharge could hit him. If you think Kamui is faster than this, then you should stop.

As far the question, any Susano'o user can beat Kakashi. EMS Madara, EMS Sasuke, MS Itachi, together with S/T jutsu user Obito, Mokuton user Hashirama. These are just at the top of my head. Kamui's warp point is instant, not the warping itself. It can be countered by throwing something at the point itself as it sucks anything it is thrown on or at.

 

[KidGamer65]

Mostly because that's hype and not feat, and, as far as I know, we base fights on feats.

No, learn the difference between invalid hype and valid character statements.

Itachi stated that his Tsukuyomi can only be broken by his blood relative. Why would he lie to Kakashi and the others? Oh wait, he wouldn't, that's just you saying he did even though he didn't.

Madara stated that Hashirama can heal w/o handsigns.

What's the difference between this and hype? What's being hyped is their overall powernot their specific abilities.

"Hashirama was the ultimate shinobi" Madara hyping Hashirama.

The above is him telling us one of Hashirama's abilities. Not to mention he would know since he fought with Hashirama many times.

"Itachi is invincible" Zetsu hyping Itachi.

"Tsukuyomi can only be broken by a blood relative" Itachi telling us of his Tsukuyomi's abilitiy.

Going by your logic Tobirama doesn't have S/T since he hasn't shown it, Hashirama can't heal without signs because we haven't seen it, Minato doesn't know various Uzumaki sealing jutsu because we haven't seen them, Madara can't use Tsukuyomi because we haven't seen it. Your logic is shit logic and it doesn't apply here.

Character statements about someone's jutsu's specific trait (Itachi about HIS OWN Tsukuyomi)=FACT.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

As far the question, any Susano'o user can beat Kakashi. EMS Madara, EMS Sasuke, MS Itachi, together with S/T jutsu user Obito, Mokuton user Hashirama. These are just at the top of my head. Kamui's warp point is instant, not the warping itself. It can be countered by throwing something at the point itself as it sucks anything it is thrown on or at.

I think the question's rather why would they start with Susanoo, seeing as how Amaterasu is instant death.

Character statements about someone's jutsu's specific trait (Itachi about HIS OWN Tsukuyomi)=FACT.

Not quite. Madara saw Hashirama heal himself with no seals.

People saw Tobirama use S/T jutsus.

People saw Minato use Uzumaki seals ( also RDS is Uzumaki fyi ).

Itachi never used Tsukuyomi on a non-Uchiha.

There. Bang. Hype, not fact.