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Truth be told, Kakashi has grown up a lot since he killed himself with Kamui. His stamina has reached decent levels, I would say. He continously fought high class shinobi for 24 hours, using many Raikiri and other raitons, as well as Kamui.
Without intel, nobody can expect Kakashi to have the Mangekyou. Hell, not many know of it. ( Sasuke, Obito, Gai, Naruto, Choji... and whom else? )
The OP thing about Kamui ( which, imo, is the best MS technique, especially when you have both eyes ) is that it's a one shot kill.
Kakashi has shown the ability to use Kamui on extremely fast objects, such as Pain's nail, Asura Path's rocket and Naruto's attacks against Obito.
A bloodlusted Kakashi probably has the strongest oneshot potential in the whole manga, up there with Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Thing is, those techniques can be countered.
Counters to Amaterasu:
1. Kamui
2. Shinra Tensei
3. ( Supposedly ) Preta Path
4. ( Supposedly Gaara's Sand )
5. Very high speed
6. Sensing abilities
Tsukuyomi:
1. Perfect Jins
2. Mangekyou
3. Not looking into Itachi's eyes
4. Sensing abilities + 3
5. Tsunade's healing ( ikr? )
Counters to Kamui?
1. Sensing + high speed.
2. Extremely high speed.
3. Kamui.
4. FTG.
Almost nobody in the top tier has Sensing abilities. There's SM Naruto, Tobirama ( supposedly ) and... who else?
That's what I'm getting at. Kamui is reaaally strong. It's been shown to have the ability to warp targets at a long range ( Asura's rocket, Deidara ). Kakashi is just... well IC most of the time. In a 1v1 versus thread the character doesn't care about his own well being. Bloodlusted Kakashi wouldn't care if he gets blind, loses an arm or his eye. All he'd care about is win.
In which case, why would he not start off with Kamui? As stated above, very few know of it.
Now, my 2c on who could beat him.
1. Hashirama Senju, Madara ( God tier ).
2. Nagato, Obito.
3. Sasuke, SM Naruto, possibly KCM Naruto.
4. Minato, A due to Kakashi having no feats against V2 A.
Why does KCM Naruto and BM Naruto not stomp? Because Kakashi can kamui himself. While SM Naruto can sit down and gather senjutsu chakra while Kakashi chills in his Kamui dimension, KCM Naruto and BM Naruto are on a timer. When their mode runs off, Kakashi destroys them.
Why I think Tsunade can't beat him? Way too slow to avoid Kamui.
Gaara? We all know how Gaara fights. Kakashi kamui'd a rocket, a flying dragon, a susanoo arrow and a high speed nail. Even if Gaara flew, he would still be caught.
Onoki? His Jinton is slower than Kamui. It needs hand seals. Kakashi kamuis instantly. If he uses that he's bust. Without it, Kakashi beats him via sharingan jutsu-copying and superior ninjutsu.
V1 A? Kakashi has the potential to beat him. Sasuke reacted to it and managed to raise an Amaterasu shield. Kakashi should be able to outsmart him and somehow fool him into leaving himself undefended. Debatable, though.
Oro? No intel on Kamui means he'll get blasted. Oro doesn't have Kamui/Amaterasu avoiding feats. Oral rebirth is a favorable exchange. Kakashi can kamui 3-4, maybe 5 times. Oro uses 2 oral rebirths and dies of asthma.
Without intel, nobody can expect Kakashi to have the Mangekyou. Hell, not many know of it. ( Sasuke, Obito, Gai, Naruto, Choji... and whom else? )
The OP thing about Kamui ( which, imo, is the best MS technique, especially when you have both eyes ) is that it's a one shot kill.
Kakashi has shown the ability to use Kamui on extremely fast objects, such as Pain's nail, Asura Path's rocket and Naruto's attacks against Obito.
A bloodlusted Kakashi probably has the strongest oneshot potential in the whole manga, up there with Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi. Thing is, those techniques can be countered.
Counters to Amaterasu:
1. Kamui
2. Shinra Tensei
3. ( Supposedly ) Preta Path
4. ( Supposedly Gaara's Sand )
5. Very high speed
6. Sensing abilities
Tsukuyomi:
1. Perfect Jins
2. Mangekyou
3. Not looking into Itachi's eyes
4. Sensing abilities + 3
5. Tsunade's healing ( ikr? )
Counters to Kamui?
1. Sensing + high speed.
2. Extremely high speed.
3. Kamui.
4. FTG.
Almost nobody in the top tier has Sensing abilities. There's SM Naruto, Tobirama ( supposedly ) and... who else?
That's what I'm getting at. Kamui is reaaally strong. It's been shown to have the ability to warp targets at a long range ( Asura's rocket, Deidara ). Kakashi is just... well IC most of the time. In a 1v1 versus thread the character doesn't care about his own well being. Bloodlusted Kakashi wouldn't care if he gets blind, loses an arm or his eye. All he'd care about is win.
In which case, why would he not start off with Kamui? As stated above, very few know of it.
Now, my 2c on who could beat him.
1. Hashirama Senju, Madara ( God tier ).
2. Nagato, Obito.
3. Sasuke, SM Naruto, possibly KCM Naruto.
4. Minato, A due to Kakashi having no feats against V2 A.
Why does KCM Naruto and BM Naruto not stomp? Because Kakashi can kamui himself. While SM Naruto can sit down and gather senjutsu chakra while Kakashi chills in his Kamui dimension, KCM Naruto and BM Naruto are on a timer. When their mode runs off, Kakashi destroys them.
Why I think Tsunade can't beat him? Way too slow to avoid Kamui.
Gaara? We all know how Gaara fights. Kakashi kamui'd a rocket, a flying dragon, a susanoo arrow and a high speed nail. Even if Gaara flew, he would still be caught.
Onoki? His Jinton is slower than Kamui. It needs hand seals. Kakashi kamuis instantly. If he uses that he's bust. Without it, Kakashi beats him via sharingan jutsu-copying and superior ninjutsu.
V1 A? Kakashi has the potential to beat him. Sasuke reacted to it and managed to raise an Amaterasu shield. Kakashi should be able to outsmart him and somehow fool him into leaving himself undefended. Debatable, though.
Oro? No intel on Kamui means he'll get blasted. Oro doesn't have Kamui/Amaterasu avoiding feats. Oral rebirth is a favorable exchange. Kakashi can kamui 3-4, maybe 5 times. Oro uses 2 oral rebirths and dies of asthma.
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