[Theory] You do NOT need Amateratsu and Tsukoyomi to use Susanoo

BryanSk8

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A lot of people say that in the databooks, it states you need both amaterasu and tsukuyomi to use susanoo but i think this is incorrect. you don't need both, you just need the power of two MS sharingans. take a look.

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He says 'along with' meaning that susanoo was the third techinque after the first two, he does not however say that amaterasu and tsukuyomi are needed.

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Sasuke says that only those who can control the double mangekyou can use susanoo meaning that only those who have mastered their MS abilities can obtain susanoo.

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When obito says a 'a sharingan that can activate even susanoo', i think he is referring to the fact that not everyone who had MS could master it.

Lets take a look at the people who we knew had MS.

Madara: Has used susanoo but has yet to use tsukuyomi or amaterasu

Izuna: If madara had it ima guess and say he had it too

Itachi: Was a genius even for an uchiha and able to master MS to use susanoo

Sasuke: Like it or not sasuke was also talented and was able to use susanoo

Obito: His potential is unknown as he only has 1 of his eyes and as stated by madara, both eyes are needed to use the full power of the sharingan. he may have been able to use susanoo if he had both. i believe that this is part of kishi plot to weaken obito and make madara stronger. as obito also had senju dna i believe he would also have been able to use PS. he would have had 2 teachniques in kamui and the S/T technique (which might also be called kamui but they are different powers)

Shisui: Now he is the confusing one because although he had both eyes, as far as we know he had the same technique in both eyes. it could be possible that he had another technique and did not master it like he did kotoamatsukami. it could be that he did master his other technique and could use susanoo but we never got to see it. only kishi knows lol.

I think the only reason why both itachi and sasuke use tsukuyomi and amaterasu has something to do with the fact that they are brothers or because itachi gave sasuke his power.

I am not saying that i am 100% correct but hopefully kishi will give us some answers, through madara.

Right now, the answer rests on whether or not madara can use tsukuyomi or amaterasu, until he does then I think my theory is correct.

Your thoughts?
 

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I agree with you, this whole theory depends on if Madara has Ama and Tsu. I feel the same way all around on this topic but b/c the databook is written by Kishi himself, you will be flamed for "contradicting" the author. I understand you're not contradicting him, you're merely saying that we can't know it takes Ama and Tsu for Susanoo unless Madara shows these moves but most of NB will not so put your flame shield on man.
 
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Totally agree, plus you can take in to consideration that it was something he awakened that fateful day as in tsukoyomi and amaterasu not being necessary.
 

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Your theory would be right. Except for the part where Kishi said it does.
 

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Sasuke doesn't have Tsukyomi.. that's all you needed to say..
 

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I agree with you, this whole theory depends on if Madara has Ama and Tsu. I feel the same way all around on this topic but b/c the databook is written by Kishi himself, you will be flamed for "contradicting" the author. I understand you're not contradicting him, you're merely saying that we can't know it takes Ama and Tsu for Susanoo but most of NB will not so put your flame shield on man.
Yup

Totally agree, plus you can take in to consideration that it was something he awakened that fateful day as in tsukoyomi and amaterasu not being necessary.
Exactly
Your theory would be right. Except for the part where Kishi said it does.
This is a theory after all.
Sasuke doesn't have Tsukyomi.. that's all you needed to say..
Ok
 

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Im pretty sure that you only need to awaken BOTH Mangekyos.
IDK if thats what your trying to say, but I didn't read it all.

Edit: Damn BryanSk8, Im not suprised to see your rep go up, but this fast?
But gj with the threads, your really the only one I see putting up well explained threads.
 

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Sasuke doesn't have Tsukyomi.. that's all you needed to say..

He does, someone proved me wrong on that earlier today. Apparently he used an extremely weak version of it on Danzo during their fight.
 

BryanSk8

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Im pretty sure that you only need to awaken BOTH Mangekyos.
IDK if thats what your trying to say, but I didn't read it all.

Yes it is..

He does, someone proved me wrong on that earlier today. Apparently he used an extremely weak version of it on Danzo during their fight.

Yeah he has a really weak version of it. He also used it against Bee. Even though it failed.
 

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Tsk tsk. Theories have to go through a board before they can graduate from being a hypothesis. So far.. You're going against Kishi. You know Kishi right? The uh.. Writer of Naruto?
 
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